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Postby fjafjan » Sun May 20, 2007 4:01 pm UTC

It's not really what you would call a story, no
It's a bounch of men wanting to save their town. and I guess they added a poor "corrupt person" thing in there but it's still not a story.
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Postby warriorness » Sun May 20, 2007 4:07 pm UTC

I'd take a slightly different approach. Take a director from the 30's or early 40's, and show him Dr. Strangelove. No CG at all (as far as I know), but it'd blow their minds just from the historical and military content. Cold war with Russia, nuclear bombs, and the Doomsday device. Then I tell them, at the end of the movie, that only one of those three things never actually happened.

1) All I know about the possibility of an Ender's Game movie is that were it made, and made well, the scene in which the Dr. Device is first used would be the most awesome explosion scene in movie-making history.
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Postby xkcd » Sun May 20, 2007 4:12 pm UTC

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anotherangel wrote:yeahhh, I totally agree with this. Everything's got to have a point to it or a reason why in movies now.
That often makes the story more realistic, or at lest that is the intent, but then the movie loses some of its magic. It loses a sort of mythic quality that movies today sorely need.

I don't know. I think we have plenty of movies that don't make their points or plot-justifications explicit -- we just call them lame art/indie films ...

It's definitely a point in Run Lola Run's favor, though. I will add my voice to the call for more weird action films and fewer weird black-and-white films with Jon Lovitz sitting cross-legged on the floor with a model train circling him and a clown slowly flipping a pancake.

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Postby damienthebloody » Sun May 20, 2007 4:20 pm UTC

in terms of technical stuff/what have you, I think we've covered pretty well everything, although maybe boogie nights (those ridiculously long and complicated shots that could only be accomplished with a steadicam, which comes well after the 50s), and other films like that. Bad Taste also comes to mind - even if you come to terms with most modern cinematic techniques, the question of "ok, how did peter jackson do that with $5?" is pretty mindblowing.

But in terms of new approaches to anti-narrative cinema (i hope that's a word), i think eraserhead would be something to watch indeed. Or lost highway, for that matter. mindblowing when compared to the 50's cinema that i've seen (although not when compared to early 20th century theatre, i think). so i could be completely wrong on this front. :D
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Postby gmalivuk » Sun May 20, 2007 4:41 pm UTC

I'd cast a vote for Serenity as well, for a variety of reasons (some of which were already mentioned).

One thing (which is also in Battlestar Galactica, though I suppose we're keeping this to movies) is a good way of making CGI not only look but really "feel" more real. Making it look like a bit of camera wobble, throwing in fast zooms on distant spacecraft that then need to be refocused, that sort of thing.
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Postby Peshmerga » Sun May 20, 2007 5:38 pm UTC

fjafjan wrote:It's not really what you would call a story, no
It's a bounch of men wanting to save their town. and I guess they added a poor "corrupt person" thing in there but it's still not a story.
A five year old can write that kind of shit


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Postby Spaz Funbag » Sun May 20, 2007 5:48 pm UTC

popping into the (old discussion) I will share my idea:

wild Wild West. Less for the CG, but for the overall movie. Take a 30's Director and he will think "History movie that is quite reasonable ( :) ), but with an enormous budget. And where did they hide that amazing spider?"

Or other Steampunk movies, so that they see a movie like theirs, and suddenly (quote:"wtf?") something odd or even impossible pops into the screen.

Maybe show them Crysis ;) It is a TV show, but you can interact with the actors! Live! And it has real aliens, too!
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Postby cmacis » Sun May 20, 2007 5:54 pm UTC

CGI is way overused. Look at American Werewolf in London. The story isn't amazing, and I'm still not convinced whether it is a horror or a send up of horror. However, the scene where he transforms into the wolf is perfect.

The 30's director would have his mind blown at the thought of that much money being spent on a film. Global depression in the 30s.

I agree that 2001 was far too slow. I've had it explained that it was being told as a ballet. However, the book is far better.

As for Ender's Game. They will never make it. It's not a film story. Kiddie nudeness has been covered, as has the internal dialogue, but it is also technically neigh impossible. It started life around the battleroom so that can not be skimped at all. I have seen nobody attack zero g properly. Even if they get the bodies moving in nullo properly, the camera will give the audience the feel of gravity, apart from a few token adjustments whenever Ender points out a direction to be down.

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Postby Aglet » Sun May 20, 2007 6:12 pm UTC

I disagree. The child nudity is hardly an integral part of Ender's Game. Ender's Shadow, yes, but Ender's Game, not so much. Internal dialogue would be tougher, and voiceovers wouldn't sound right with Ender, but a good scriptwriter could work around it.

I thought Apollo 13 did a pretty good job of zero-G. The only problem would be that using that NASA airplane to create weightlessness would be monstrously expensive. I agree that camera angles could create an illusion of gravity, but sufficiently chaotic cinematography (read: Saving Private Ryan's opening scene) could eliminate that problem.
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Postby Hammer » Sun May 20, 2007 7:15 pm UTC

If we're talking purely technical tricks, show them the new camera techniques.

Show them the Gap commercials from a few years ago where the scene freezes, but the camera keeps sweeping around. Everybody's (in the biz anyway) jaw dropped when that first showed up.

Show them the shot that's gotten popular where people stand and talk while the camera dollies around them over and over again. It would blow their minds to be able to show people in conversation without constant cuts or everyone having to stand in some unnatural 3/4 front posture. Makes me ill, but it's a neat trick.

Show them the "MTV" shooting method for making things seem really dynamic with constant rapid cuts.

Show them the use of period music and compositing in Forrest Gump.

The great directors of moviemaking might be freaked out by CGI until they found out what it was, but you're talking about the people who were the first to include a ceiling in a movie shot. The guy who pioneered focusing on a close object and a faraway object at the same time. I don't think their minds would stay blown for long over technical tricks.

The content might throw them for awhile...
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Postby Dark Ragnarok » Sun May 20, 2007 7:24 pm UTC

I just totally remembered Jackass 2 the movie.....

That will flip their gaskets. XD

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Postby warriorness » Sun May 20, 2007 7:34 pm UTC

cmacis wrote:As for Ender's Game. They will never make it. It's not a film story. Kiddie nudeness has been covered, as has the internal dialogue, but it is also technically neigh impossible. It started life around the battleroom so that can not be skimped at all. I have seen nobody attack zero g properly. Even if they get the bodies moving in nullo properly, the camera will give the audience the feel of gravity, apart from a few token adjustments whenever Ender points out a direction to be down.


Even Apollo 13? A bunch of repeated takes in the Vomit Comet might work out.
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Postby shadebug » Sun May 20, 2007 7:41 pm UTC

You want to get 6 year old kids to not only act well, but act well in brief moments of 0G? Clearly it won't be filmed unless it's in CG or a studio in space
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Postby Peshmerga » Sun May 20, 2007 7:44 pm UTC

If they do film it, they'll probably use 10 year olds.
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Postby shadebug » Sun May 20, 2007 8:02 pm UTC

Peshmerga wrote:If they do film it, they'll probably use 10 year olds.


and dakota fanning
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Postby Ren » Sun May 20, 2007 8:03 pm UTC

I think the music from post-50s films would blow their minds.

Example: "A New Hope" was the first film to have separate themes for each character. While this is common today, it would be revolutionary--the music can tell the story without the images, something that never would have happened back then.
By combining images and sound, it creates associations between a character and that person's theme, between themes of interacting characters, and underlines emotions that character is going through--using dynamics, instrumentation, that kind of thing. (It's actually called a "leitmotif" and was popularized/invented by Wagner).
"Star Wars" can very easily be considered the defining score of modern film.
Other symphonic scores that would impress and boggle the mind: Ennio Morricone's "The Mission," Howard Shore and the LotR trilogy, "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" (sorry, Morricone is fantastic), "Apocalypse Now"... Oh, and Jaws.

Or what about electronic scores? "Chariots of Fire" from 1981, one of the first films to use synthesizers. "Alien," too, uses crazy-awesome sampling. The score for "Dune" was composed by Toto!!! "Blade Runner" is almost entirely a synthesized soundtrack. Sci-fi movie scores were revolutionized by the introduction of synthesized sounds!

Ca-razy. Hell, it boggles my mind, and I'm not from the 50's. (Or am I?)

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Postby bbctol » Sun May 20, 2007 8:17 pm UTC

shadebug wrote:
Peshmerga wrote:If they do film it, they'll probably use 10 year olds.


and dakota fanning


By the time they get around to it, she'll be twenty. She's already being considered "too old" for many roles.

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Postby shadebug » Sun May 20, 2007 8:33 pm UTC

bbctol wrote:
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Peshmerga wrote:If they do film it, they'll probably use 10 year olds.


and dakota fanning


By the time they get around to it, she'll be twenty. She's already being considered "too old" for many roles.


ooh, question is can she do the jump from child star to film star? I think she should be able to because there always seems to be something more than your average child actor skills going on with her, and i don't think she ever had a disney contract. I wanna see what happens with that, by which I mean her
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Postby Belial » Sun May 20, 2007 9:30 pm UTC

ooh, question is can she do the jump from child star to film star? I think she should be able to because there always seems to be something more than your average child actor skills going on with her, and i don't think she ever had a disney contract. I wanna see what happens with that, by which I mean her


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Postby apricity » Sun May 20, 2007 9:44 pm UTC

I think destruction movies like Armageddon and The Day After Tomorrow would really freak them out. Seeing actual places that they can easily identify, and then seeing them get wiped out, is crazy even for me.

And of course, throw them into an IMAX and they'll probably just run out screaming.

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Postby Hammer » Sun May 20, 2007 10:20 pm UTC

lanicita wrote:Hammer, I *still* don't get how they did those Gap commercials. It was magic, wasn't it? Admit it!


We certainly thought so. I was actually on my feet pointing at the screen the first time I saw it. Of course, the trick started showing up all over the place after that. The Matrix used it too. Multiple cameras and a damn fine algorithm.
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Postby Gelsamel » Mon May 21, 2007 2:43 am UTC

Hawknc wrote:The Matrix would be a good one, both for the effects and the mind-jobbiness of it (to someone from fifty years ago, anyway).


I have to disagree with that 2nd part, Matrix is hardly deep or "mind-jobbing". Though I guess the special effects would be pretty awesome for them, assuming they haven't seen any other massive special effect movie yet.
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Postby Toeofdoom » Mon May 21, 2007 9:00 am UTC

I think Sunshine would be an interesting film to show them, cause the special effects arent obvious at all, and it would be a pretty cool story for people who don't even know humans have reached space.

But, another thing I would want to show them is an amateur film. Something that just shocks them with how these people got a camera, possibly compiled of random crap off youtube or from high school media projects. Short movies from high schools would work well. Also this movie would need some simple computerised special effects, since they are so widely available now. I don't know of many full length movies of the right qualitys, but anyone could make them nowdays so there must be some...
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Postby bigglesworth » Mon May 21, 2007 11:24 am UTC

Showing them a film about the Korean War would be odd. (hey, they'd never do something like that... *watches news* wtf?)

Showing them something with surround sound would also be good. (you could do it, but you'd need several gramophones turned on at exactly the right time)

An ender's game film may or may not happen, but imagine the merchandising (!) (for all that talk about fighting greek style, the action figures would be an order of magnitude worse)

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Postby German Sausage » Mon May 21, 2007 11:57 am UTC

so... when does the deathmatch start?
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German Sausage wrote:so... when does the deathmatch start?

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Postby evilbeanfiend » Mon May 21, 2007 12:09 pm UTC

home alone. then tell them its one of the top grossing films of all time, that is sure to blow their minds.
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Postby Hammer » Mon May 21, 2007 1:50 pm UTC

evilbeanfiend wrote:home alone. then tell them its one of the top grossing films of all time, that is sure to blow their minds.


Then show them the scene from Dogma with Salma Hayek refusing to accept responsibility for it.
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Postby LE4dGOLEM » Mon May 21, 2007 5:37 pm UTC

If Ender's game were made, there'd be an awful lot of awkward camera angles. If you remember, there's a lot of child nudity passivley going on. Ender makes a point of $femaleWhoseNameIForget being naked when he enters Rat (?) army.

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Postby Azrael » Mon May 21, 2007 5:43 pm UTC

Then, after you guys have all disheartened said past-era directors with gobs of amazing CG and other special effect, show them The Usual Suspects.

Take a step to restore their faith that movies can still be made the "old" way.

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Postby Jesse » Mon May 21, 2007 5:51 pm UTC

Seriously, child nudity was not essential to Ender's Game. That could not be in the book and the message would still be the same.

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evilbeanfiend wrote:home alone. then tell them its one of the top grossing films of all time, that is sure to blow their minds.


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Postby ArchangelShrike » Mon May 21, 2007 6:44 pm UTC

While there are a lot of "Western" style films on here, there seems to be a lack of "Eastern" films the focus on style over substance. Take something like "Hero," where every scene is noted by it's distinct visual color/style. They transition slowly up, making their way to brighter colors and then back down again as needed. As such, they would probably go wild if they saw most martial arts movies today, "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon," "Ong-Bak." The principles behind it are simple, line up the color and sound to set the mood, but it's eerily effective. Also watch "Chongking Express" and "Love Actually" for other examples.

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Postby saxmaniac1987 » Mon May 21, 2007 8:09 pm UTC

I wanna throw Smokin' Aces into the mix... just for sheer ridiculousness combined with some major badass moments, i think a 50's director would be amazed at how graphic a movie can be and still be shown in theaters. It was creative, to boot--speaking of which...

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EDIT: I'd also like to add Goldeneye, just for the chase scene through St. Petersburg with the tank. Because any director from then will just say "oh man that is so freakin cool."
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Postby ArchangelShrike » Mon May 21, 2007 8:22 pm UTC

Being the Borg, I merge your definition of bootility into mine, being very similar.

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Postby Tractor » Mon May 21, 2007 8:33 pm UTC

Lots of good movie suggestions. At this point, most modern SciFi/Action/Thriller movies have enough crazy effects that could potentially blow their minds, regardless of how awful/awesome they are. Final Destination comes to mind here, but I'm not sure if I like the idea. If you're going for a twisted mind fuck to go along with it, you'd want to take one with some creepier overtones. Saw comes to mind for that.

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Postby Gordon » Mon May 21, 2007 8:34 pm UTC

I read through most of the posts about the movies and didn't see these, but I would show them movies like "Croutching Tiger Hidden Dragon" and "Hero". Jet Li blows my mind.

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1. Are they ever gonna get around to that Ender's Game movie they keep teasing us with? If so, is there a chance they're not going to completely fuck it up?

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2. Define the following: "bootility"
Your ability to be boot-like. As in the amount of ass you kick.

Simple and to the point. One gold star stuck to a single, .50 Calibur round. Armor-piercing, incendiary. Make it count.
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RealGrouchy wrote:I still remember the time when Gordon left. I still wake up in the middle of the night crying and screaming his name.
I do that too, but for an entirely different reason.
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Gordon wrote:How long have I been asleep?!
Our daughter is in high school now.

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Postby Phenriz » Mon May 21, 2007 8:43 pm UTC

Gladiator - to show them a good melding of technology and imagery (also Hero, House of Flying Daggers, or Curse of the Golden Flower, would also work to fit this slot)

Braveheart - use of (some) historical accuracy combined with a film of epic longness, and it's still a favorite. merely to say, movies don't have to be short to enjoy.

The Grudge - to show directors that a movie doesn't need gore to be truely scary. (say what you will of the movie, it did a good job with the atmosphere)

Oh and i'd show Star Wars: ESB to David Lynch with his eyes glued open, so he couldave made a fucking half decent Dune movie, to do the books justice.

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nvm i'm sure Lynch saw the films, he still made a shitty rendition of Dune.
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Postby Tractor » Mon May 21, 2007 8:46 pm UTC

xkcd wrote:
German Sausage wrote:so... when does the deathmatch start?

When you least expect it.


Probably around the time we get the guns to go with all this ammo.
Because throwing bullets just isn't the same...unless it's a nerf gun.
Alternative - whenever I figure out how to get the gun out of my bootility. I keep getting the machete or the toothpick instead. :?
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Postby Gordon » Mon May 21, 2007 8:53 pm UTC

Ohhh. I saw the movie "Screamers" on tv yesterday. You could show them and be like "It's a documentary".
Meaux_Pas wrote:
RealGrouchy wrote:I still remember the time when Gordon left. I still wake up in the middle of the night crying and screaming his name.
I do that too, but for an entirely different reason.
RealGrouchy wrote:
Gordon wrote:How long have I been asleep?!
Our daughter is in high school now.


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