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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:14 am UTC

I am watching KonoSuba as well, I like that show so far.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:34 pm UTC

KonoSuba is definitely fun. I loved the cabbage harvest, and the Demon King's Lords that have shown up so far have been great characters in their own right.

Actually, the show I'm surprised I haven't seen more discussion of is Erased/Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi. It's a time-travel mystery thriller focusing around a guy with an ability he calls "Revival", in which he gets thrown back about 5 minutes into the past to fix something. Except that then the first episode happens and everything changes. I don't know what to expect week to week, almost every episode is a cliffhanger, and the characters have amazing depth.

Spoiler:
It's the teacher, right? Everything is pointing to it being the teacher at the moment. I'd like to see a twist, but there aren't even that many possible other characters it could be.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:42 pm UTC

Erased is awesome. There is however much spoiler potential.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:56 pm UTC

ConMan wrote:KonoSuba is definitely fun. I loved the cabbage harvest, and the Demon King's Lords that have shown up so far have been great characters in their own right.

Actually, the show I'm surprised I haven't seen more discussion of is Erased/Boku Dake Ga Inai Machi. It's a time-travel mystery thriller focusing around a guy with an ability he calls "Revival", in which he gets thrown back about 5 minutes into the past to fix something. Except that then the first episode happens and everything changes. I don't know what to expect week to week, almost every episode is a cliffhanger, and the characters have amazing depth.

Spoiler:
It's the teacher, right? Everything is pointing to it being the teacher at the moment. I'd like to see a twist, but there aren't even that many possible other characters it could be.

Manga spoiler:
Spoiler:
Reading the manga half of the people thought he is obviously guilty, while the other half thought he is just too obviously guilty to actually be guilty. But no in truth it was the time traveling undead clone of the MC all along!

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:24 pm UTC

Grop wrote:Erased is awesome. There is however much spoiler potential.


Potential?

Erased is a mystery. Mysteries are the most spoilerific genre there is! So far, its the best anime I've seen in years. Within the top 5 animes of the past five years. Lets hope it finishes strong when the mystery is finally revealed. (ie: whodunit)

Spoiler:
A good who-dun-it almost demands that the audience be familiar with the villain. Based on "meta-knowledge" I'd expect the teacher to be the who-dun-it, but I really haven't been able to pick up on many clues aside from:

1. It was children at school who were kidnapped. A school-teacher is not entirely out of the question.

2. Satoru's mother knew the perpetrator and recognized his face.

3. Process of elimination. There are very few adults in the show, and Kayo's mother / boyfriend are already clearly not the killers. They're horrible people for sure, but the killer is a 3rd entity: who stole the body away from them after she was beaten in the shed.

4. There is a chance that the killer has not been introduced yet, or that the killer is not an active participant in the story. At which point, the story is less a who-dun-it and more of a generic mystery. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I like who-dun-its.

Very weak evidence-wise unfortunately. I can't help but feel like I've missed out on some clues. A 2nd watching is definitely in order as soon as the series is done.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:04 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:
Grop wrote:Erased is awesome. There is however much spoiler potential.


Potential?

Erased is a mystery. Mysteries are the most spoilerific genre there is! So far, its the best anime I've seen in years. Within the top 5 animes of the past five years. Lets hope it finishes strong when the mystery is finally revealed. (ie: whodunit)

Spoiler:
A good who-dun-it almost demands that the audience be familiar with the villain. Based on "meta-knowledge" I'd expect the teacher to be the who-dun-it, but I really haven't been able to pick up on many clues aside from:

1. It was children at school who were kidnapped. A school-teacher is not entirely out of the question.

2. Satoru's mother knew the perpetrator and recognized his face.

3. Process of elimination. There are very few adults in the show, and Kayo's mother / boyfriend are already clearly not the killers. They're horrible people for sure, but the killer is a 3rd entity: who stole the body away from them after she was beaten in the shed.

4. There is a chance that the killer has not been introduced yet, or that the killer is not an active participant in the story. At which point, the story is less a who-dun-it and more of a generic mystery. Not necessarily a bad thing, but I like who-dun-its.

Very weak evidence-wise unfortunately. I can't help but feel like I've missed out on some clues. A 2nd watching is definitely in order as soon as the series is done.

Spoiler:
The other point, from the most recent episode, is that right after Satoru tells him that they were keeping Kayo in the bus, the killer takes all of his stuff out of there. Maybe coincidence, or maybe he realised that it was no longer "his" hiding place and got all that stuff out in case anyone else checked it out.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Jorpho » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:00 pm UTC

ConMan wrote:Hosoda is definitely the best possible successor to Miyazaki right now.
Have you seen A Letter to Momo? It is something of a shameless Totoro ripoff.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Tue Mar 08, 2016 10:04 pm UTC

Jorpho wrote:
ConMan wrote:Hosoda is definitely the best possible successor to Miyazaki right now.
Have you seen A Letter to Momo? It is something of a shameless Totoro ripoff.

Never got around to seeing it. I think it screened at a Japanese Film Festival way back when. But based on that review, I can see what you're talking about.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Derek » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:42 am UTC

Madoka:
Spoiler:
As far as authorial intent goes, Madoka is meant to be a deconstruction (and to a weaker extent, reconstruction) of the magical girl genre. It hits all the key tropes, but then twists the story into something much darker than any magical girl show before it. "Eva for the magical girl genre" is the best succinct (but spoilery) summary of Madoka, but with a happier ending. Someone earlier mentioned Nanoha, which is a good comparison since it too hits all the key tropes, but plays them straight. And indeed it wouldn't surprise me if Urobochi specifically drew on Nanoha when making Madoka.

As far as the sex trafficking goes, I can see where you see the parallels, but it was not the intent of Urobochi.


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Wolf Children was literally entirely forgettable for me, but Summer Wars and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time were cool enough that I'm more than willing to give him another chance.

I loved Wolf Children, as did most of my friends when I showed it to them. Summer Wars was the most forgettable one to me, perhaps because it was so clearly a rehash of the Digimon movie with a bigger budget and time. It was enjoyable, but predictable and nothing to write home about. The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is my absolute favorite Hosoda movie though, I absolutely loved it and really should see it again.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:41 pm UTC

Derek wrote:As far as authorial intent goes,


Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. Yes, it's a legitimate point of view, and it can be of interest to know what the creator meant to convey (and quite successfully, in Madoka's case). But authorial intent has zero value on how valid or invalid an interpretation is, ever. "Death of the author" and all that. If someone says "Obviously the creator meant to say this" then authorial intent becomes relevant. But the basic question of "what did they mean" is irrelevant in the first place.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:44 pm UTC

Agreed. Authorial intent is overrated, much to my chagrin. There are plenty of examples of stories that take on meanings that the author didn't intend.

In fact, I think the entire genre of "mind-fucks" are designed to allow the audience's mind to wander and try to create their own meaning out of a chaotic story. Evangelion means a lot of different things to a lot of different people for example. Even some simpler / happier stories like Sora-no-woto leave plenty of room for the audience to make their own conclusions.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Zohar » Wed Mar 09, 2016 6:39 pm UTC

I think mindfucks are an excellent example. I suppose I missed a case (and probably others :) ) where authorial intent is relevant - if you're trying to judge how skillful the creator is. If they managed to convey the message they wanted, then that's probably a good indicator they can communicate ideas to the audience. And in order to judge that, you'd need to know what was the intended message. So in the case of mindfucks, it's curious to know if people figured out what the creator wanted them to, or if they happened to learn something else instead. And if the creator even had an intention of conveying a specific message, as opposed to a more general experience that can be interpreted by others.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Derek » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:21 am UTC

Zohar wrote:Yeah, I'm gonna stop you right there. Yes, it's a legitimate point of view, and it can be of interest to know what the creator meant to convey (and quite successfully, in Madoka's case). But authorial intent has zero value on how valid or invalid an interpretation is, ever. "Death of the author" and all that. If someone says "Obviously the creator meant to say this" then authorial intent becomes relevant. But the basic question of "what did they mean" is irrelevant in the first place.

Which is why I specifically said "As far as authorial intent goes" and not "Your interpretation is invalid".

Zohar wrote:I think mindfucks are an excellent example. I suppose I missed a case (and probably others :) ) where authorial intent is relevant - if you're trying to judge how skillful the creator is. If they managed to convey the message they wanted, then that's probably a good indicator they can communicate ideas to the audience. And in order to judge that, you'd need to know what was the intended message. So in the case of mindfucks, it's curious to know if people figured out what the creator wanted them to, or if they happened to learn something else instead. And if the creator even had an intention of conveying a specific message, as opposed to a more general experience that can be interpreted by others.

This is actually why I say that Madoka is experienced best if you have already seen some magical girl shows, but that's obviously a pretty big commitment so I don't tell people that they have to watch other shows first. But if you have, it makes the magical girl tropes and the way that they are twisted very apparent. It helps you fully appreciate just how effective Urobochi was at tearing the magical girl genre apart. From a similar perspective, it's probably best to watch Eva after having seen some of the mecha shows that came before it, but I think few people these days do (again, it would be a big commitment for one show).

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

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KnightExemplar wrote:
Grop wrote:Erased is awesome. There is however much spoiler potential.


Potential?

Erased is a mystery. Mysteries are the most spoilerific genre there is! So far, its the best anime I've seen in years. Within the top 5 animes of the past five years. Lets hope it finishes strong when the mystery is finally revealed. (ie: whodunit)

Honestly, the mystery is the least important aspect of the show for me. I care about the characters more than the specific situation they've found themselves in.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:04 am UTC

The characters in Erased are pretty darn good too. Satoru's mother has some great depth, especially with the two sides we've seen of her. His coworker and boss are both extremely interesting for the different way they reacted to the same situation. And Kayo's mother is definitely one worth watching, for her own personal set of screwed up priorities.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby kiniget » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:54 pm UTC

it's kind of funny how the weakest aspect of Erased is the mystery itself

I mean, Rokka no Yuusha did a lot better job of setting up a bunch of suspects and casting suspicion in various directions, in Erased there was only really ever the one possibility, which I refused to accept because it felt so much like a red herring

that said, everything else about the show is absolutely fantastic, so if you just treat it as a character drama you should be fine
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:42 pm UTC

Kiniget I think spoiler tags would be appropriate (although I mostly agree).

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Also I didn't think the killer could be that totally obvious person, because I thought Satoru had seen their face at the end of episode 6.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:26 pm UTC

Grop wrote:Kiniget I think spoiler tags would be appropriate (although I mostly agree).

Spoiler:
Also I didn't think the killer could be that totally obvious person, because I thought Satoru had seen their face at the end of episode 6.

Spoiler:
I think because (a) the face was heavily obscured, (b) the killer was several years older than the last time Satoru saw him, and (c) he was in full-on crazy mode and so didn't have the same kind look as Satoru was used to, it was harder for him to recognise.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:05 pm UTC

It certainly makes sense, I just thought it was one of these cases when the protagonist knows some things that we don't. I also considered the possibility that

Spoiler:
He could forget some things while time travelling. That would be consistent with him apparently not having a totally adult mind when he is a child: he may be changed in ways that are not just physical.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:33 pm UTC

I decided to try some anime where I know the name for some reason but have no idea what they are. I just tried a few strawberry panic episodes I know quite a few stories where the main character goes a bit braindead when faced with their love interest, but if you told me that later in this show it turns out that Shizuma has magical hypnosis powers she uses on the MC I might consider that a plausible explanation. (just watch epi 3 around 18:30 or so.)

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Re: Anime wool of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Wed Mar 23, 2016 5:26 am UTC

I wasn't actually expecting Konosuba (ie: yet another trapped in a video game anime... ) to be decent, but it actually was pretty enjoyable. Clearly, the anime is skipping forward a bit.

Spoiler:
They spend like 6 episodes on the Dullahan arc, and then they spend five minutes on the flashback with regards to the Lich. And just like that, the 2nd of the eight devil king generals are defeated.


Kazuma is an almost standard straightman, but his genre-savvyness is actually far sharper than previous "trapped in a videogame" characters. It helps that Aqua is such a dunce, they form a great foil at the core. Megumin channeling chunibyo works 100% for this show and her abilities. Darkness takes the jokes to places they really shouldn't go, but I think the show is doing a good job with that overall.

The show was doing very well with progression, and then all of a sudden people have abilities and powers that were never talked about (Ex: Kazuma lighting a fire for the party). Then Kazuma is all "Oh yeah, we met these guys a long time ago"... its clear they skipped a few chapters in the light-novel or something.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby kiniget » Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:46 am UTC

you guys

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it's coming back

12 new episodes

I cannot even begin to express how excited I am about this

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

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kiniget wrote:you guys

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12 new episodes

I cannot even begin to express how excited I am about this

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby kiniget » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:18 am UTC

Kiznaiver and Boku no Hero Academia are turning out to be really great

I love the fact that I have no idea where Kiznaiver might be going with it's premise, there's just so much potential there

and Boku no Hero Academia is proving to be really powerful
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:38 am UTC

Kuma Miko: did they get some furniture from A Clockwork Orange ?

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Mon Apr 11, 2016 4:38 pm UTC

I'm watching yet another trapped in another world anime. Re zero something, the main guys powers is save scumming.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Mon Apr 11, 2016 5:12 pm UTC

Which is far less awesome a power if you have to die each time.

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Postby ConMan » Mon Apr 11, 2016 10:24 pm UTC

Also if he doesn't actually get to choose a save point. At this stage it's more like he's been transported to a rogue-like.

Also, is anyone else swooning over Sakamoto-san? I mean, he's so cool!
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Derek » Tue Apr 12, 2016 10:38 pm UTC

PeteP wrote:Which is far less awesome a power if you have to die each time.

That's how it worked in Edge of Tomorrow as well.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:51 am UTC

I still don't know what to think about the Ace Attorney series. I love the games, and it's kind of neat that they've made an anime, but so far there isn't really that much in there that adds to what the games already provided. Maybe a bit more scenery and views of characters doing stuff not in the fixed locations, and less randomly tapping on everything hoping to find the item or dialogue that will progress the story, but that's about it.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby KnightExemplar » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:55 pm UTC

Although enjoyable throughout, "Erased" had major issues with its mystery element and pacing in the last couple of episodes.

Still a damn good show, but as noted earlier in this thread, the resolution of the mystery is somewhat weak. Other "Time Travel Mystery" shows (Higurashi, Steins Gate) demonstrate the benefit of 52 or 26 episodes respectively. With only 13 episodes, Erased didn't have enough time to flesh out the mystery, set up red herrings, explain the villain's motivations, etc. etc.

For a plot as complicated as Erased, the fact that they got it compressed so well is impressive. But it really needed more episodes, a few more characters. I think Kniget said it best earlier:

kiniget wrote:it's kind of funny how the weakest aspect of Erased is the mystery itself

I mean, Rokka no Yuusha did a lot better job of setting up a bunch of suspects and casting suspicion in various directions, in Erased there was only really ever the one possibility, which I refused to accept because it felt so much like a red herring

that said, everything else about the show is absolutely fantastic, so if you just treat it as a character drama you should be fine


Now that I've finished "Erased", I agree 100%.

The benefit of Rokka (which was 13 episodes), is that its basically the pilot arc to what is clearly a deeper storyline. If Rokka is actually completed, it'd probably will go 52+ episodes, based on how long the characters spent at that damn temple. Rokka gets very detailed and is definitely written for the mystery fans who will rewatch the show and look for the hints they missed on the first viewing.

Erased is more of a drama show, where the various characters interact. The fact that a mystery is there is somewhat secondary.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:42 pm UTC

Koutetsujou no Kabaneri is something I will probably find entertaining. I like the MC, he is passionate and about something where I can understand his frustration. I doubt I will consider it one of my favourites but entertainment is good enough.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby ConMan » Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:52 pm UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Erased is more of a drama show, where the various characters interact. The fact that a mystery is there is somewhat secondary.

Agreed. I just read the manga, and it's 99% the same up until the last part (basically the entire last episode and a half doesn't happen and everything is resolved quite differently), but besides a few other small differences (including at least one that made me irrationally happy) there still wasn't any real effort to keep things mysterious once there was an obvious culprit.

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Spoiler:
I was incredibly happy that Kayo came back to the school, especially when we get that one scene in the hide-out where everyone is together. The bit in the hospital where Airi is the one who kicks the asses of the tabloid journalists - I really liked it, even though it makes no sense for her to be there and I understand why they changed that to be Yashiro in the show. And the showdown at the campgrounds was really cool, in the way it showcased the battle of wits between Yashiro and Satoru, especially making use of the fact that Satoru had advanced knowledge of Yashiro's more modern tactics.


Personally, I think the story could have stood at least one more jump forward and back - maybe after he saves Kayo, celebrates briefly, then hears news of Aya going missing and he realises he still messed up. Then jump forward, he has to deal with being under arrest, maybe picks up a couple more clues to the killer's identity, and then something else triggers the final jump back. But anyway, the show was good.
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:37 am UTC

PeteP wrote:Koutetsujou no Kabaneri is something I will probably find entertaining. I like the MC, he is passionate and about something where I can understand his frustration. I doubt I will consider it one of my favourites but entertainment is good enough.

Has anyone seen ep 2 yet? I think it's delayed for American release.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:39 am UTC

Yes I have.
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In it we learn that the girl is half weird monster too. Which leads me to the question: If others already know you can stop the spread why isn't it done more often. Though considering he had to act super fast and it looks like a method with a high chance of strangulation it may just not be feasible on a wide scale.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Zohar » Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:42 pm UTC

Hey, people in the US, where do you watch anime?
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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby sardia » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:21 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:Hey, people in the US, where do you watch anime?

Crunchy roll is your best bet. Fan subs are a distant second, mostly because they were all hired by crunchy roll.

Pete, where did you get it? I didn't see it on crunchy roll.

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby PeteP » Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:42 pm UTC

I wonder whether crunchyroll is less restricted in my region by now. Hmm apparently it automatically gives me german subs I sure hope I can turn that off. (In german I am much more sensitive to silly sounding phrases, I am much less critical with english so I prefer it for subs.)

As for where, I am not sure whether I should link to anime sites here, that might be against US law.^^

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Re: Anime Thread of Doom

Postby Grop » Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:29 pm UTC

Ah ah likewise, I am much more tolerant to bad English subs than to bad French subs. Also they are generally easier to find, unless some English dubs are available (which I won't watch).


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