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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Joeldi » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:21 pm UTC

I was very happy with the adaptation side of things. It is very faithful, although a lot of stuff is missing. It makes me feel bad to say it, but
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The Manhatten ending really does work well - that hit home when Dan says something like "[They won't fight] As long as they think Manhatten is watching them"


It was really long, though - I think if I didn't know just how much material there was too cover, and was enjoying seeing everything come to life, I would have been pretty frustrated with how long things were taking to develop.
Spoiler:
The opening montage covering the minutemen era seemed to go on for AGES


Things they took out that I did miss:
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> Hollis Mason's death
> That Silhouette's homosexuality was driven home, but Hooded Justice's was only very passingly hinted it "Hey lets show some girls kissing right at the start, that'll keep 'em watching"
> Many of the plot threads that were carefully built in book didn't have time to develop, so felt a bit unnatural - especially Laurie discovering who her father is. It's so un-developed that Jon has to announce it to make sure we understand.
> Two of Ozy's crowning moments at the end. His "I did it 35 minutes ago" was underplayed, and I was basically waiting the whole movie for the line. Also, I really loved his jubilation when he realised his plan was actually working. In the movie, he knew it would work all along.


The Music
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It didn't work very well. Whenever there was a scene change, it blared loudly for a few moments then faded. It happened over and over again, and the music never really fit - although they were ALL GREAT songs.


Blood 'n guts etc
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Watchmen was probably the darkest movie I've seen that wasn't trying TOO hard to be dark. All the killing and the blood felt natural, and the actually showed it. Some thing with the sex and nudity. They didn't compromise, and they didn't go overboard - I mean we see as much of hairy Dan's body as of Laurie's attractive one. (I LOVED how imperfect Laurie's thighs looked in the closeups of her suit - there's something you don't see from Hollywood every day). It also had some brilliantly dark humour. The whole theatre laughed at the guy falling down the lift shaft, there was plenty of good lines before/after Dan/Rorshach had killed/ violently injured someone.

My Verdict: Excellent Adaptation, too much to fit in to a movie - would have worked better as a mini-series. ALAN MOORE WAS RIGHT! (but for the wrong reason)
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Klapaucius » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:12 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:In addition, I only got today why the name Night Owl is amusing.

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Night Hawk was used as the title for one of the positions in the KKK.
It wasn't really meant to have a double meaning--it was a superhero Dave Gibbons created when he was fourteen.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby steewi » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:04 am UTC

mstrzerg wrote:Seeing it with people who had never read the comic was very entertaining. Though at least one of my friends 'didn't get it' though he still enjoyed it. I was slightly amused that they didn't censor or cover up Dr. Manhattan. He was out there in all his blue glowing glory. I wonder if that's the first time someone has had to model that particular piece of anatomy for a major film.


I thought it didn't move particularly naturally (yes, I was watching it...). Sure, I haven't seen that many guys walking around with their ween out, but the weighting seemed wrong, like it was a pendulum.

I thoroughly enjoyed the film. But I'm also thoroughly easy to please with this kind of thing. I actually liked the music. I didn't find it jarring at all.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Various Varieties » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:24 am UTC

Saturday Morning Watchmen :mrgreen: It's not quite The Simpsons' Watchmen Babies in V For Vacation, but it's close...

...and there's also this Noisetosignal article summarising the different Watchmen movie proposals over the years.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:37 am UTC

Klapaucius wrote:It wasn't really meant to have a double meaning--it was a superhero Dave Gibbons created when he was fourteen.


Really? Oh. *shrugs*
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Delbin » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:42 am UTC

I just started reading Wil Wheaton's (Wesley Crusher's) blog and he had a kind of review a month or so ago. It's a fun read and gives a non-spoilery review if people are still interested.

http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbacku ... esome.html

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby cypherspace » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:08 am UTC

Joeldi wrote:My Verdict: Excellent Adaptation, too much to fit in to a movie - would have worked better as a mini-series. ALAN MOORE WAS RIGHT! (but for the wrong reason)

Saw it earlier tonight, and I pretty much agree with everything you say.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby smw543 » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:45 am UTC

Just got back from the theater (it's 3:40AM here) and there's about a million things I could say, but the most important one is "See this movie." Do it, you'll have a good time.

Though you might want to wait until Sunday, when most of the immature types have already watched it three times. Seriously, every time there was any nudity half the audience would start giggling. Except for when the nude person was Dr. Manhattan, then 90% were giggling.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Jack Saladin » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:48 am UTC

Like every review and comment I've heard has been negative, but they've all been complaining "there's too much talking and not enough action", so that's, uh, a good sign. I'll probably go see it Tuesday, when tickets are cheap(er).

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby el_loco_avs » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:51 am UTC

Went last night. LOVED IT. It's flawed but fans of the book should love it. My friends were less enthousiastic. One hated it and was blabbering on about Sin City and Tarantino for some reason :lol:

The other two did like it... but indeed expected more action and had some trouble getting the point of the movie.

I do think the end of the movie seemed a little rushed and transitions where the music kicked in loud were kinda jarring sometimes. Loved the song selection although I can't fathom why they'd pick *that* version of Hallelujah. I love leonard but it's so... cheesy almost. Half the audience was chuckling...


Visually it was great, lots of little moments that fans should recognize as actually directly from the book. Rorschach was also *dead on*.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Mr. Sluagh » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:21 am UTC

Beginning: Good. Well-done. The most faithful part.

Middle: DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHIC SPECTACLE BLASPHEMY AGAINST ART GLYCON AND WHAT LITTLE DECENCY IS LEFT IN THIS WORLD

End: Good. Actually made more sense than in the book.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Phen » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:30 am UTC

The earliest I might get tickets for here is a kinda of before-premiere the 17th. And then it opens normally the 20/21th. So I'll rage (or more rather, be mildly annoyed) at you all for not having to wait.
And I'll have to not click any of the latest spoilers in the thread. Ggggh......
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Marleen » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:51 am UTC

Joeldi wrote:It was really long, though - I think if I didn't know just how much material there was too cover, and was enjoying seeing everything come to life, I would have been pretty frustrated with how long things were taking to develop.
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The opening montage covering the minutemen era seemed to go on for AGES



I particularly loved this part and could've been watching more of this for another hour.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Izawwlgood » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:19 pm UTC

Whoa! Way to take an interesting tale, poorly told with a stuffy narrative and dated, boring, flat art, and breathe new life into it! I book left me mostly rolling my eyes, thinking "I get it, now get on with it", or "Seriously? Like, that?", whereas the movie was full of jaw dropping imagery, cleaned up dialogue (To the right people now!), and beautifully choreographed fight scenes.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby aaron » Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:02 pm UTC

Mr. Sluagh wrote:Beginning: Good. Well-done. The most faithful part.

Middle: DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHIC SPECTACLE BLASPHEMY AGAINST ART GLYCON AND WHAT LITTLE DECENCY IS LEFT IN THIS WORLD

End: Good. Actually made more sense than in the book.


wait are you being serious?

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Ixtellor » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:14 pm UTC

I plan on seeing it this week. Have not read the graphic novels and have been reading lots of reviews.

The vast majority of reviews are in agreement on:

Fans of the graphic novel will enjoy the movie, other people will not.

I am curious to see what me and my wife will think of this film.


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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby TheAmazingRando » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:12 am UTC

I don't think it would have been possible to more faithfully adapt Watchmen into a film. The few changes that were made were for the better, I think (not that they're better than the source material, just that they make a better movie than the source material), and the visual faithfulness to the graphic novel was staggering.

I would have to watch it again to really give it a fair rating. My thoughts when watching it were "how good of an adaptation is this?" rather than "how good of a movie is this?"

But, for now, I'll say that it exceeded my expectations, and was worth the anticipation. If you liked Watchmen and the idea of seeing it as a film sounds appealing, I would definitely recommend it.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Clumpy » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:51 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:Whoa! Way to take an interesting tale, poorly told with a stuffy narrative and dated, boring, flat art, and breathe new life into it! I book left me mostly rolling my eyes, thinking "I get it, now get on with it", or "Seriously? Like, that?", whereas the movie was full of jaw dropping imagery, cleaned up dialogue (To the right people now!), and beautifully choreographed fight scenes.


I remember making similar comments about the Lord of the Rings books/films back in high school and nearly getting pummeled by a group of irritated Tolkien fans. I'm guessing that your comments would deal at least a small spit-take or sharp exhalation of air for a good 10% of xkcd forumites.

I'm leaving in twenty minutes for the film. I'm pretty excited.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Wooster » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:55 am UTC

Had low expectations, saw it, really liked it.

The changes from the graphic novel were just about all for the better.

I did agree with the New Yorker review in that I thought Veidt/Ozymandias was the poorest casting choice...which turned out to be less of a problem than you might think.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:15 am UTC

Joeldi wrote:It was really long, though - (Didn't like the opening montage)


I LOVED this part, but understand being bored by it. The Dylan song was a stellar counterpart, and Snyder did a good job making ridiculous looking people seem simultaneously in and out of their element, putting a great deal of foreshadowing and also somehow making most of these images sacrosanct, blending modified historical images with new scenes, hammering home the idea that this story is an alternative history, and history is always a frightfully human escapade.

Joeldi wrote:Things they took out that I did miss:

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Some of the backstory on the old Minutemen was barely glossed over, and I don't think we know anything about Hooded Specter. I didn't mind, because I didn't really care about them, but sure, if you want to remain faithful, they are part of Watchman lore. Re: Lauries father, I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought the delivery of awareness was handled exactly the same actually. She's told on Mars.


Joeldi wrote:The Music

Oh man, really?! I thought the soundtrack was AWESOME!
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Remember the scene when Ozymandias is attacked by the assassin (thats not a spoiler)? Theres a very tense conversation that precedes the attack, and in the background is a bit of Muzak playing. It's the melody to the 80's hit song, "Everybody Wants to Rule the World", By Tears for Fears. Every song they put in has historical significance, it felt very witty and relevant. Remember, Watchman is an alternative history, so the songs that influenced our history were given new meaning when they were played in the movie.


Joeldi wrote:My Verdict: Excellent Adaptation, too much to fit in to a movie - would have worked better as a mini-series.


Watchman has many story arcs, and I didn't feel all of them were really relevant or gripping. I missed a few scenes as well, but honestly thought the book was so ploddingly paced, I was mostly glad they cleaned it up. I imagine the DVD will have cool extended scenes and stuff that'll be interesting to explore. A mini-series though? I dunno, the story was well told and wrapped up in less then 3 hrs.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby cephalopod9 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 7:08 am UTC

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby ekzrated » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:06 am UTC

I'll put my $0.02 in...

Things I loved:
Casting picks for Rorschach, Laurie, Dan, Jon, Hollis.
First fight scene. No need to get into that.
Very close to source material in dialog, visual direction and art direction.
Opening montage of old-timey superheroes. Visually told their back-story without wasting time from main storyline.
The way they handled the technological advances. Visually pretty cool, since I'm old enough to remember both the 80's and the 90's gadgets looks.
Archie. Fucking fantastic!

Things that bugged me:*see spoilered for details*
Some of the acting. *
Some changes in the dialog.*
Casting for Sally Jupiter, Moloch, Ozymandias
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The Comedian's monologue at Moloch's place, and its changes sucked. It took away from the emotion I feel was a great part of the book.
Carla Gugino's portrayal of Sally Jupiter. I think she can do much more as an actress, and she could have delivered a great performance.
Rorschach's complete origin. It truly bothered me that 1)the killer admitted to killing the girl. In trying to dehumanize the character, they missed the point of that scene in the book, and 2)Rorschach hacking at some piece of shit like that belies the calm, calculating badassery that was Rorschach. Especially when he gives the guy the hacksaw before lighting the kerosene.
Adrian's anti-climatic "I did it!"
Jon not having the final conversation with Adrian, and having Laurie fill in for the best line in that scene "Nothing ever ends".
Over-emphasis on Walter Kovacs(when he wasn't wearing his face)

Things I'm still not sure I loved or hated:
The music. Opening sequence was awesome to the tune of Bob Dylan, but seemed out of tune (not necessarily lyrically) in other scenes.
Casting for The Comedian. The look was dead-on, but his voice, and acting kind of didn't fit.
Casting for Dan/Nite Owl. In parts he was a ringer, in others (where the dialog seemed a bit off) not so much.
The ending. It makes sense how the story was changed, however it caused some of the supporting character's roles to not be included.
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A good example of bad musical choice: When Dan and Laurie have sex in Archie, they should have stuck with Billie Holiday, and not go for the cheap comedic shot with "Hallelujah". But that's just me.
Regarding the ending, I understand it would have been difficult to include the missing writers, movie producers, and artists as a subplot, but I would have loved to see what kind of tentacle monster they could have rendered.
The madness created by the death of the creature. Since there was no monster, there was no "a pregnant woman, thinking her baby was... Well, you know...

Dr. Manhattan TV interview scene. I'm kind of at a loss on whether its good or not.

There were a lot of new lines that made me cringe (and I think its the ones the actors had the hardest time acting through, but that could be my imagination).
All in all, I think I need a second look as well. This time to see if I can enjoy it without needing to compare it to the book.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Mr. Sluagh » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:41 am UTC

aaron wrote:
Mr. Sluagh wrote:Beginning: Good. Well-done. The most faithful part.

Middle: DISGUSTING PORNOGRAPHIC SPECTACLE BLASPHEMY AGAINST ART GLYCON AND WHAT LITTLE DECENCY IS LEFT IN THIS WORLD

End: Good. Actually made more sense than in the book.


wait are you being serious?


I was.

On second thought, I think it would be pretty easy to make it a decent movie with some simple editing. It wouldn't be perfect; the soundtrack is still horrible and I don't think Snyder's ultra-stylized approach is appropriate at all, and then there's that godawful German accent, but it could still be improved a lot.

All you have to do is cut down all the fight scenes by about half, and the sex scene by about nine tenths (Jesus effing Christ, the thrusting... Brain bleach... Brain bleach!), taking special care to cut out all the fetishistic extreme close-ups of compound fractures. That would cover pretty much everything that dropped you out of the story and made it impossible to take seriously, all the Snyderisms that caused the audience to giggle or make pained noises.

Then, take all the clips you've removed and put them together into a montage to "Yackety Sacks".

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Clumpy » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:52 am UTC

I thought that Rorschach and The Comedian were compelling enough characters almost to discount the fact that a film can't be as slow as a graphic novel, and adding extra violence just to be unpleasant is a sure way to turn off audiences. The tone shifts wildly - sometimes incredibly serious, sometimes as hammy as Spider-Man. And most of the movie seems devoted to Dr. Manhattan, who is a fairly boring character in both iterations of "Watchmen". Did anybody else think that Patrick Wilson as Nite Owl was channeling Christopher Reeve?

Still, Rorschach and The Comedian are easily compelling enough to carry the flick (the hour or so where you barely see Rorschach are actually a little dull), and the action is well-choreographed.

Still. . . Rorschach. Wow. He was improved even from the book.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby steewi » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:38 am UTC

Now that I think about it, I did miss
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the full version of Dr Manhattan's "you are unique" speech. I wanted the sub-atomic physics references - "rarer than a quark", etc.


I know why it wasn't there like that, but I missed it all the same.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Joeldi » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:08 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
Joeldi wrote:It was really long, though - (Didn't like the opening montage)


I LOVED this part, but understand being bored by it. The Dylan song was a stellar counterpart, and Snyder did a good job making ridiculous looking people seem simultaneously in and out of their element, putting a great deal of foreshadowing and also somehow making most of these images sacrosanct, blending modified historical images with new scenes, hammering home the idea that this story is an alternative history, and history is always a frightfully human escapade.


Now now, I didn't say I didn't like it. It was very nicely done, but I just realised that I had been sitting in the theatre for a long time, and there had been no dialogue etc. I was sort of thinking "I wonder if the non-fans who watch this are going to be interested in this at all, or just bored"
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Jack Saladin » Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:12 am UTC

One review I saw said it was the only part of the film worth watching.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Zohar » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:17 pm UTC

I enjoyed the movie quite a bit. Pretty awesome soundtrack, too.

I didn't like how they changed the ending a bit, though. Mainly, the plot device, and creating the scapegoat. (if that's not vague enough say so and I'll spoiler it).

Also, during a significant conversation between Dr. Manhattan and Silk Specter, they omitted one of my favorite lines:
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I don't remember the wording exactly. It's on Mars, when Manhattan explains how it's such a coincidence that they've met, then Specter says "but these things happen every day, there's nothing special about them at all!" and he says something like "exactly" or "that's the point". I can't be bothered to look it up now, but I liked that a lot.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Briareos » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:57 pm UTC

Joeldi wrote:Now now, I didn't say I didn't like it. It was very nicely done, but I just realised that I had been sitting in the theatre for a long time, and there had been no dialogue etc. I was sort of thinking "I wonder if the non-fans who watch this are going to be interested in this at all, or just bored"
I kind of felt this way about the entire movie. I thought it was very good, but I also feel like I can completely understand people who didn't like it. ("It's the first film shot entirely in slow motion!" I think maybe they did that so that comic-readers can geek out about the amount of detail they crammed in? There's a copy of "Under the Hood" on Veidt's desk.)
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby smw543 » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:09 pm UTC

Mr. Sluagh wrote:...and then there's that godawful German accent...cut down the sex scene by about nine tenths
I was skeptical about the accent when I first heard about it, but I think it worked out OK. It showed how even Ozy, who opened his whole life to the public eye, still hid that part of himself because he was ashamed of it (the whole parents being Nazis thing. And yes, I know it wasn't in the book.) The only people he was completely honest with were his fellow Watchmen. As for the sex scene: agreed. I haven't seen such an overindulgent "love scene" in a movie since Team America: World Police.

@Clumpy: Actually, I kind of got a Michael Keaton in Batman Returns vibe. The way he acts so much like a regular guy whose job just so happens to be crime fighter, the way he gets awkward around the pretty girl, and a number of other things. Not to mention the millions of parallels between Nite Owl II/Dan Dreiberg and Batman/Bruce Wayne. I will say he looked like a cross between Bruce Wayne and Christopher Reeve.

As for whether people who haven't read the book will enjoy it, I saw it with three friends, none of whom have read the book. They each have varying tastes in movies, but they all liked it. Also, when I explained how the ending was different from the book, two agreed that the original sounded better, while the third couldn't get over the whole
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby el_loco_avs » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:34 pm UTC

Problem with that original ending is that it would seem out of place to suddenly have
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psychic blasts and teleportation without Manhattan being involved. Though I would've loved too see it. Bubastis was kinda out of place now.



And for the random endcredits song... that was very much a marketing thing. It was the right song, but they just had sellable group do a cover. :mrgreen:
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby TheAmazingRando » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:47 pm UTC

That was probably one of the worst covers I've ever heard. They opened with Bob Dylan, they might as well have closed with him.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:40 pm UTC

TheAmazingRando wrote:They opened with Bob Dylan, they might as well have closed with him.


Like closed the deal? (snicker)
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Malice » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:55 pm UTC

gibberishtwist wrote:Final gripe: Am I the only person who's getting sick of slow-motion violence? It's so gimmicky, so over-used, and such a mediocre effect.


What pleased me was that most of the slow-motion violence seemed like "look, we are making a commentary on how ridiculous normal superhero movies are" instead of "look, we can make things look awesome!" For example,
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Laurie and Dan getting their groove back, regaining their old badassery; or fighting Veidt at the end, so uselessly.


I still think Snyder's approach to comic-book adaptation is wrong-headed, but at least here his slow-mo "lookit the panel" shots still had a little bit of movement in them, which made it much better. For the most part they felt more natural than in 300.

This is such an oddly flawed film, I'm not sure what to feel about it. I mean, what kind of movie gets the fucking music wrong, and half the acting? Ridiculous.

I hate that they fucked up the first and last lines of the book by deleting the former and adding a line after the latter--a line which only fucking exists to go, "hey, dumb audience? Remember this thing? This is that thing again." I missed the rest of Hollis Mason's plotline. I thought it was dumb that Bubastis suddenly shows up out of fucking nowhere (and since they haven't given us any connection to her, Adrian getting sad about her doesn't really connect). I really want to see this with Tales of the Black Freighter put in, because without knowing and caring about those people their deaths didn't affect me the way that they should.

There were a lot of awesome things too. Manhattan was basically perfect (although I wished they had gone all the way with his "chapter", actually mixing the times up), Rorschach was perfect, I even thought Dan was perfect, even if they were really unclear about the whole sexual problem thing. I seriously doubt I would have understood that when it was happening if I hadn't read the comic.

I guess I expected this movie to either be a pile of shit or possibly a masterpiece, and it surprised me by being good-but-not-as-good-as-the-book. But I definitely had a great time.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Clumpy » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:16 am UTC

The movie's best line, now that I think about it, and one of the parts that elicited actually cheering and applause from the audience:

"None of you seem to get it. I'm not locked in here with YOU. YOU'RE locked in here with ME!"

Also my favorite line from the graphic novel and I'm glad to see they did it justice.

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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:27 am UTC

Malice wrote:Bubastis suddenly shows up out of fucking nowhere


To be fair, her role in the book wasn't much different. "Oh look a genetically altered thingamajig, and now it's dead" isn't much different from "I have created this genetically altered thingamajig, I like it, and now it's dead"

Malice wrote:most of the slow-motion violence


I just want to say it, but I still ADORE this effect. When:
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Adrian was stepping behind the fatcats as his assassin fired at him, the look on his face spoke volumes, as if he knew how this would play out, and knew what had to be done. Additionally, when whatshername threw the earrings at Dr. Manhattan and he watches them slowly spiral towards him and with a TOUCH of exasperation says "I like it here, where it is still, silent".


Malice wrote:really want to see this with Tales of the Black Freighter put in, because without knowing and caring about those people their deaths didn't affect me the way that they should.


this was one of my least favorite parts of the comic. For starters, it's an incredibly stupid and heavy handed metaphor for aspects of the storyline, and it didn't serve at all to form a connection to the newsstand crowd. Frankly, if you need a few boring glimpses into their lives to forge a connection with an annihilated city, I think watching the tossed in for reference guys hugging one another in fear of the face of their doom isn't going to do it for you.

Malice wrote:although I wished they had gone all the way with his "chapter", actually mixing the times up


Yeah, Manhattans was my favorite story bar none. I was VERY anxiously awaiting the scene when he walks up to Adrians compound and has his time sense all mucked up. They cut it, but whatever. As for the rest of the backdrops, Dans impotence I can be inferred from the subsequent dream, and it fits just fine. The movie more then the comic to me, drove home the notion that they were flawed and damaged aging men and women (although the comic made them appear to be in their mid-40s, if not a bit older, I was disappointed to see how Hollywood flawless they looked [Rorschach in my mind has gnarled, yellowed teeth, Dan could barely squeeze into his costume, and Laurie was caked in makeup])

Malice wrote:I guess I expected this movie to either be a pile of shit or possibly a masterpiece, and it surprised me by being good-but-not-as-good-as-the-book. But I definitely had a great time.


I felt, like V for Vendetta, this movie was a far superior telling then the comic it was based on. But, I do feel I took more from the movie for having read the comic

One thing I really wish would have been added was
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Dr. Manhattans exit. The comic has him seeing Laurie and Dan happy together, and with a very honest smile for the two of them, fading away. I didn't mind him giving his final word to Laurie, but he still had a flat affect to him that I didn't think was fitting for what he had become.
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Malice » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:51 am UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:
Malice wrote:Bubastis suddenly shows up out of fucking nowhere


To be fair, her role in the book wasn't much different. "Oh look a genetically altered thingamajig, and now it's dead" isn't much different from "I have created this genetically altered thingamajig, I like it, and now it's dead"


At least in the book they explain "this thing is genetically altered". In the movie it's just THERE. I seriously doubt that if I hadn't read the comic I'd be like, "Oh, obviously that is his genetically engineered tiger cat thingy". I'd be more like "what the fucking fuck is that?"
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Izawwlgood » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:08 am UTC

I dunno man, Ozymandias is a bazillionair genius with a fucking lair, you think the presence of a long eared/horned tiger thing from a Dr. Seuss novel bears explanation?
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Re: I am joyous. (Watchmen.)

Postby Cpl. Octopus » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:13 am UTC

Malice wrote:I'd be more like "what the fucking fuck is that?"


Yeah, my friend looked at me and pretty much said that when Bubastis showed up.
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