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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby OmegaLordX » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:47 pm UTC

Wikipedia wrote:Sequel
Although director Zack Snyder has said that he will not be involved in a Watchmen sequel or prequel, Bill Crudup has reported that he (and others) have already signed a contract for a follow-up. [2]
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:50 pm UTC

Oh, shit. This is bad.
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Postby Actaeus » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Oh, shit. This is bad.

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Re: I am sad. (Watchmen.)

Postby smw543 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:43 pm UTC

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Wikipedia wrote:Sequel
Although director Zack Snyder has said that he will not be involved in a Watchmen sequel or prequel, Bill Crudup has reported that he (and others) have already signed a contract for a follow-up. [2]
smw543 wrote:Seriously, if they make a Watchmen 2, I will dedicate every waking moment to destroying them.
Well, a promise is a promise...

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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby annals » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:58 pm UTC

Wait wait wait. Weren't they telling us a while ago that this thing wasn't really a huge success at the box office? Pleas from the screenwriter for fans to see it a second time so it wouldn't be counted as a failure etc.? Why would they even want to make another one?

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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby smw543 » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:28 pm UTC

annals wrote:Wait wait wait. Weren't they telling us a while ago that this thing wasn't really a huge success at the box office? Pleas from the screenwriter for fans to see it a second time so it wouldn't be counted as a failure etc.? Why would they even want to make another one?
Wiki gives the budget as $120m, with a gross of $139m, with a 67.7% decrease from the first weekend to it's second. It's looking like it'll have a profit margin far short of your typical high budget action flick (probably more in keeping with chick flick profits.)

Translation: they'll still make the sequel, but it won't have any of the nice visuals and such that let you forgive the first one for being so loooooong.
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Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:30 pm UTC

annals wrote:Wait wait wait. Weren't they telling us a while ago that this thing wasn't really a huge success at the box office? Pleas from the screenwriter for fans to see it a second time so it wouldn't be counted as a failure etc.? Why would they even want to make another one?

"Make another one?" They're not amateur evil writers/producers, annals. Do you think they would speculate about it if there was even the slightest possibility of you stopping it? They wrote it and signed the contracts thirty-five minutes ago.
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annals wrote:Wait wait wait. Weren't they telling us a while ago that this thing wasn't really a huge success at the box office? Pleas from the screenwriter for fans to see it a second time so it wouldn't be counted as a failure etc.? Why would they even want to make another one?

"Make another one?" They're not amateur evil writers/producers, annals. Do you think they would speculate about it if there was even the slightest possibility of you stopping it? They wrote it and signed the contracts thirty-five minutes ago.


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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby Jack Saladin » Sun Mar 22, 2009 12:00 am UTC

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Maybe it won't be that bad. It'll be bad, sure, but maybe they'll just be taking stuff out of the comic that they didn't use in the first film - maybe making it more about the Minutemen, something like an adaptation of Nite Owl I's book.

I mean, they wouldn't, actually, like, make a sequel sequel, right? Nobody would do that. That's just crazy.

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Postby Malice » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:03 am UTC

I imagine it'll be a feature-length version of the scene where Dr. Manhattan walks around winning the Vietnam War. Obviously he comes back--but the world is ready for him, right? In fact, maybe they've concocted a new version of him using the same technology. And he's just trying to come back and talk to his girlfriend again, but they won't stop trying to nuke him. He can't explain things without giving away Veidt's plan--until the New Frontiersman gets the scoop on the conspiracy. Then all hell breaks loose, and it's up to the remaining Watchmen, plus two new characters (The Incredible Bulk and Spotty the Watch-Dog) to save the world--again!

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Postby Jack Saladin » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:11 am UTC

They could always just remake Dr Strangelove except everyone's wearing capes.

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Re: I am sad. (Watchmen.)

Postby SecondTalon » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:42 am UTC

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Re: I am sad. (Watchmen.)

Postby BigBoss » Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:18 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
smw543 wrote:Well, a promise is a promise...
Anyone have a tank I can borrow?
You have my bow.


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Postby McCaber » Sun Mar 22, 2009 5:40 am UTC

smw543 wrote:Well, a promise is a promise...
Anyone have a tank I can borrow?

This guy does.

The only thing that really bugged me about the movie was the casting for Ozy. He's supposed to look like a bronze Greek god, not some skinny blond guy.

And that environmental lobbying was kind of strange, considering that Manhattan has been making lithium for them for about 20 years now.
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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby smw543 » Sun Mar 22, 2009 6:04 am UTC

All I need is a sword and I'll have the complete collector's set! Of course, I can't actually use them, that would diminish their book value.

It's just as well, I'm starting to suspect that report was bunk. I actually followed the link, and it goes to the website of a Malaysian newspaper and the article is a half page stub, with no source given (I doubt The Star did the interview themselves.) Just checked it again, and all reference to the sequel has been removed. This was probably a false alarm, though I prefer to think of it as a sobering warning: always do your homework before declaring war.[/blatantliberaldouche]
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Postby OmegaLordX » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:01 pm UTC

Now I feel stupid for posting it.

But relieved at the same time.
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Postby mosc » Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:22 pm UTC

smw543 wrote:All I need is a sword and I'll have the complete collector's set! Of course, I can't actually use them, that would diminish their book value.

BY MY SWORD, there will not be a sequel (see sig).

There, done.

Cmon, these guys aren't serious are they? They just understand that saying Watchmen 2 gets fanboys riled up and thus gets more traffic on their shit websites.
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Re: Watchmen - Spoilers like a Psychic Undersea Gargant!

Postby Marleen » Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:05 am UTC

I... don't know.

Of course the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "sequel" is: No! It's a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end. And that's it!

But then again, there was so much stuf in the graphic novel that didn't make it into the film. So much of the different backstories.

It wouldn't have to be a traditional sequel. It could be a... parallelquel or something.

It COULD be good.

And after how Watchmen turned out in the end (and more importantly, after how Watchmen could have turned out and did NOT) I am willing to have a little faith in the people involved. Just about enough to not damn the idea from the start.

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Postby Clumpy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:38 pm UTC

Marleen wrote:I... don't know.

Of course the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "sequel" is: No! It's a story with a beginning, a middle, and an end. And that's it!


How about children's learning picture books?:

"Rorschach's Very Bad, No-Good Very Bad Day.

. . . Then his mommy slapped him and the mean man went away! Later he got the idea that a mask was something he could hide behind! But a mask isn't very big, is it? Can you figure out how you could hide behind one?

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Postby Yakk » Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:03 pm UTC

Possible sequel titles:

Watchmen: the Pirate Comic Book Part.

Watchmen: the Comedians Last Standup.

Watchmen: Psychology 101.

Watchmen: now with more blue dangly bits.
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Postby Clumpy » Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:52 pm UTC

A sequel with a Vietnam story would be interesting, if only because it would be yet another way to keep America isolated from a sequel (I was going to say that fanboys won't go to a Watchmen sequel because the idea of a sequel itself is incongruous to the story, but they probably would anyway). Vietnam is not the war for people who want to cheer as Uncle Sam bum-rushes a bunch of people who deserve it and smokes a cigar after.

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Postby cephalopod9 » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:03 am UTC

Marleen wrote:It wouldn't have to be a traditional sequel. It could be a... parallelquel or something.

A parallelquel which when added to the movie would expand it into a miniseries could be not terrible...
I doubt the studios would ever pay for it though. This is about as edgy as mainstream movies get.
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Postby Marleen » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:35 am UTC

I don't know, crazier things have been done. Sin City, Memento, The Fountain, all of those were pretty bold in their day, in their own way.

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Postby Amarantha » Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:33 am UTC

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Postby Mega D » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:14 pm UTC

That the actors' contracts stipulate that they'll be in a sequel doesn't mean the sequel is being made, or will necessarily ever be made. I don't think there's any need for rolling tanks into Hollywood just yet.

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Postby bigglesworth » Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:32 pm UTC

I'd enjoy watching them ask Alan Moore for a sequel.
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Postby Yakk » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:43 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:I'd enjoy watching them ask Alan Moore for a sequel.

So long as Watchmen is in print, Alan Moore has little control. He sold lots of his rights for $$$.

I do not know if he sold the right to control sequels.
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Postby bigglesworth » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:00 pm UTC

I was thinking more "Hey Alan, you know that comic you wrote? Do you think you could maybe write a sequel for it?"
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Postby Aikanaro » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:30 pm UTC

......Actually, how about a prequel? Something dealing with the original Minutemen?
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Postby Malice » Fri Mar 27, 2009 11:40 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:
bigglesworth wrote:I'd enjoy watching them ask Alan Moore for a sequel.

So long as Watchmen is in print, Alan Moore has little control. He sold lots of his rights for $$$.

I do not know if he sold the right to control sequels.


Standard film adaptation deals include the right to create original sequels. That's why a lot of literary properties end up cashing in on sequel after sequel--this happens to Stephen King books pretty often. Children of the Corn, Pet Sematary, The Lawnmower Man, etc. The author usually can't do a damn thing about it. It's almost certain that the studio that made Watchmen could make sequels if they wanted to without paying more or getting permission. But it's rather unlikely, considering it really didn't make enough money compared to the huge amount of advertising they did.
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Postby rrwoods » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:01 pm UTC

If they wrote a sequel, what I'd really love is for Alan Moore to completely obsolete it with a sequel to the comic that completely contradicts everything in the movie sequel.
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Postby Jesse » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:13 am UTC

What I'd like is if Alan Moore never wrote a comic again.

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Postby Various Varieties » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:34 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:What I'd like is if Alan Moore never wrote a comic again.

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Postby Endless Mike » Tue Mar 31, 2009 7:37 pm UTC

Yakk wrote:Possible sequel titles:

Watchmen: the Pirate Comic Book Part.

Where have you been?

Here's Grant Morrison on the movie.

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Postby Sprocket » Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:37 pm UTC

Saw it last Friday night, really enjoyed it. Thought it was one of the better book to movie translations I've ever seen. Found it to be a good movie, and didn't have much complaint about changes. I was sort of sad they got rid of the psychic octopus, only because it is such a ludicrous idea, and don't feel like the rest of the world would exactly BOND TOGETHER with the US if Dr. Manhattan destroyed a bunch of major cities, I think they'd just be that much more pissed. I thought they were going to chicken out on Jon killing Rorshach so I was pleased they didn't. My only real complaint was that Bubastis showed up out of nowhere with no explanation, and when she died it seemed much less a necessary part of a trap. Either give some vague explanation of what she is, or leave her out, but at the same time I was happy to see her...so torn.

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I was kind of displeased with the casting of Ozymendias, he was too skinny and his voice was not commanding enough. I also was not horribly happy with Jon's little worried "I'm trying not to hurt anyone" way of speaking, I feel like he would have been more blunt and commanding as well, but not deliberately like Veidt would be, just matter of fact.
Actually I do remember another complaint, I felt like the rest of the people in the movie were pretty believable as real people, and when they interacted with the super heroes sometimes the super heroes just seemed like actors, and I didn't feel that needed to happen, mostly Veidt, but I think maybe that was kind of a choice to heighten his separation from reality. Also this happened with The Comedian, but that may be because it was easier for me to look at him on screen if I kept in mind he was an actor because he's so disgusting, (though also more likable in the movie) I kept trying to figure out what else I had seen him in. The scene where he shoots the pregnant woman if 'nam I felt was really underacted, and suffered consequently I think.
Also nobody looked as old as they were supposed to be, and age was kind of a theme in the comic, so that bothered me a little.

And yes they down-played Rorschach's flaws somewhat, but they weren't at all sugar coated, he had a line about the lesbian heroes death being her own fault for being a lesbian, he still blatantly had overly-conservative values, especially regarding sex, he still clearly had black and white notions about right and wrong that were clearly a bit crazy. Also the line about hitler being a vegetarian I feel in the comic kind of clears up some notions about how much Rorshach agrees with the New Frontiersman, and we also know that Rorschach is agnostic, so he likely doesn't think, for example, that the jews are evil or dangerous, or a plight of some kind, though the New Frontiersman does. We don't really learn exactly what he does and does not agree with in the New Frontiersman. While I will agree they made him definitely more likable, they didn't white wash him like I was expecting from the reviews I've heard.

The opening sequence was maybe the best part of the whole movie, with the Bob Dylan over it and everything.

I could just look this up, and I will, but were they ever actually CALLED "The Watchmen" in the comic book? I thought "The Watchmen" was a metaphor.
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Postby Klapaucius » Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:47 pm UTC

Sprocket wrote:I could just look this up, and I will, but were they ever actually CALLED "The Watchmen" in the comic book? I thought "The Watchmen" was a metaphor.
Nope. They just wanted to mitigate the eventual cries of "Where the hell does the title come from?"
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Postby Endless Mike » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:20 pm UTC

Klapaucius wrote:
Sprocket wrote:I could just look this up, and I will, but were they ever actually CALLED "The Watchmen" in the comic book? I thought "The Watchmen" was a metaphor.
Nope. They just wanted to mitigate the eventual cries of "Where the hell does the title come from?"

I would have figured having it spray-painted on walls all over the place would have been enough.

But then, I'm probably overestimating the movie-watching public.

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Postby SecondTalon » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:41 pm UTC

Endless Mike wrote:But then, I'm probably overestimating the movie-watching public.
If only because the movie-making industry has talked down to them for so many decades.
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