Jackpot wrote:Oh boy, patronising!
I'm sorry you interpreted my "punk and prog" comment that way. It was intended to be tongue-in-cheek and lighthearted.
fucking apologists. they wouldn't have to apologise for anything
Yes, they're apologists in that they're defending the band's songs. But they discuss them in the hope that people with an interest in music theory can learn from their analyses and find new things to appreciate, so I think it's a productive thing to do.
Also, the book I've recommended a lot in recent Beatles threads, Revolution in the Head
by (random academic!) Ian MacDonald, while providing comprehensive reasons why the Beatles were worthwhile and innovative musicians, certainly doesn't ignore or apologise for the band's lesser moments, or their shortcomings as guitarists/pianists. In fact he's critical of their music in some often surprising places. Check it out. If that book can't persuade you of their merits, I definitely can't!
Humans are weak, fleshy beings. animation students can also praise cartoons with god awful writing just due to nostalgia.
You one of those John K acolytes?
If I say the same thing over and over again, it will get into your brain, especially if musical.
people attempting to make popular music(, who along with the beatles will cite ABBA and various creators of "stuck in head" music. And also, thousands of nostalgia people
When you mentioned nostalgia and posted links to screaming girl fans, the thing that came to mind for me was the thousands of grown women flocking to concerts by the reformed Take That after being fans as teenagers. I don't like that band. But I wouldn't try to persuade those people to try to take a step back from their memories of that music in the hope they'll stop liking it and move onto "worthier" things.
Nostalgia, familiarity and catchiness are far from the only reasons for getting enjoyment out of music, but they're perfectly valid. I think that dismissing them entirely comes across as snobbish.
Gotta quote Stephen Fry here: "There is simply no limit to the tyrannical snobbery that otherwise decent people can descend into when it comes to music."
Love that line; it applies to so many subjects on the Internet!
sje46 wrote:But the Beatles R awwsume!
I WANNA HOLD YOU HAND I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND!!!
I WNAAA HOLD YOU RHAAAAND I WANNA HOLD YOU HAAA-AAA-AAAND!
When I look at you i get this felling, deep inside
i so happy when i look at you that i get hi
i get hi!
i get hi!
got that sumthing
umm .. .
I wanna hold your HAAAA-AAA-AAAND
SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH
SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH
SHE LOVES YOU YEAH YEAH YEAH YEAH
You think you've lost your love
Well, I saw her yesterday-yi-yay
It's you she's thinking of
And she told me what to say-yi-yay
She says SHE LOVES YOU!
Anyway, I realised that I haven't actually talked much about The Who in this thread. I suppose I should post a bit about my experiences of them, just to balance up my posts a bit!
I encountered their music much later than that of The Beatles; with the exception of "My Generation", I didn't grow up with it. My first of their albums was the excellent compilation Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy
. Of its tracks, the highlights that were new to me were "Boris the Spider" (amusing and very good), "I Can See for Miles" (possibly my favourite Who track) and "Substitute".
I heard Who's Next
shortly afterwards. Although it didn't click with me immediately, I definitely rate it now.Tommy
I've heard a few times, and I like it, but there's a lot to take in and I don't feel familiar enough with it yet. As for its plot, I'm not dismissive of concept albums or rock operas, but the story wasn't a big reason I enjoyed it. (Also, I wasn't impressed by the few bits I've seen of the film.)Live at Leeds
has a reputation as one of the greatest live albums ever. I don't think I've heard enough of them to make that claim, but it's certainly a powerful performance (I've only heard the single-CD edition, not the one with the full performance of Tommy
). Their version of "Summertime Blues" is currently getting really highly-rated over in the song rankings thread, and yep, it's a cracking performance. Live at Leeds
also introduced me to the song "A Quick One, While He's Away" before I actually heard the album A Quick One
I've still got quite a lot of their music to hear, though: I haven't heard The Who Sell Out
(that's the next one I intend to buy), Quadrophenia
(I'd like to see the film as well), Who Are You
(the title song is fantastic), The Who By Numbers
or their later albums after Moon's death (I've heard Endless Wire
, but it was mostly unmemorable).