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INDIE

Postby luvnotwar » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:29 am UTC

What is it?

Do you like it?

What bands/albums are your favorites?

I'm not even sure that Indie is a genre of music, but I must be wrong because every keeps telling me how fucking amazing it is. Post Indie music you like in here or talk Indie theory with other experts. Someone with more knowledge than I should make an Indie 101 post for me and other noobs to nosh on. Is Metric Indie? I totally love Metric.

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Re: INDIE

Postby psychosomaticism » Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:48 am UTC

"Indie" as a label: being on an independent record label, usually one that's small-time and owned/managed by a small group of people that isn't a corporation, existing apart from major record labels. (See: Wiki) Some of my favorites: Arts & Crafts, (Metric is one of the bands there) Mint Records, Merge, 4AD, and Matador Records, to name a few.

"Indie" as a type of music: Hard to describe, but I'd say a wide range from alt-rock, post-rock, new wave, folk, and pop, though when one adds an "indie-" prefix to any of those, it seems to imply a quality of a more sincere and personal artistic effort on the part of the band, as opposed to mainstream (as much as I don't care for labelling and genre-ism) product mass production.

As for favorites, I'm really liking the latest Spoon album, and Metric, the Stills, Interpol, and the New Pornographers are a few of many I'd list.

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Re: INDIE

Postby Dasboard » Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:35 pm UTC

Are Radiohead and Modest Mouse considered Indie?

Either way, I don't bother too much about genres, but if those two fall under the Indie genre, I love them both. I own the OK Computer CD by Radiohead and got some Modest Mouse stuff coming with the mail soon.

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Re: INDIE

Postby TheAmazingRando » Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:43 am UTC

When people talk about indie as a genre they usually mean "music that sounds like The Shins or Death Cab For Cutie" and I can't say I'm too into that sound, in general, though I think Chutes Too Narrow and The Photo Album by those respective bands were pretty ok. I also like older stuff by Modest Mouse, with The Moon and Antarctica being the somewhat mediocre breaking point.

I don't know, though, most of the stuff I like is on independent labels but I would hardly call it indie music. If folk and psychedelic music count, then I love it. But if Indie just means "not on a major label" then that's like 99% of the music being made today, so it doesn't really make much sense to group it under one heading and like/dislike it.

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Re: INDIE

Postby psychosomaticism » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:36 am UTC

I think indie is a bad description to put on music from independent artists because it devalues the actual work they do in the same way that lumping any band in with similar bands. Who cares what genre it is, so long as the band makes decent music. That being said, a lot of the time I find that I like independent artists' music more than popular and major-record-label music, whether it be because the sound is more individual or personal, or whatever.

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Re: INDIE

Postby Dasboard » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:19 pm UTC

Yeah, exactly. As long as the music's good, I don't mind the genre.
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Re: INDIE

Postby Prefanity » Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:19 pm UTC

TheAmazingRando wrote:When people talk about indie as a genre they usually mean "music that sounds like The Shins or Death Cab For Cutie" and I can't say I'm too into that sound, in general, though I think Chutes Too Narrow and The Photo Album by those respective bands were pretty ok. I also like older stuff by Modest Mouse, with The Moon and Antarctica being the somewhat mediocre breaking point.

I don't know, though, most of the stuff I like is on independent labels but I would hardly call it indie music. If folk and psychedelic music count, then I love it. But if Indie just means "not on a major label" then that's like 99% of the music being made today, so it doesn't really make much sense to group it under one heading and like/dislike it.


Ow, you've cut me deep by saying The Moon and Antarctica is mediocre. Anyway...

I think the music you might tend to think of as encompassing an "indie" sound depends on when you first came across the descriptor, much like how I notice "emo" is used quite a bit to describe bands operating in the last decade. But for me, "emo" is encompassed almost entirely by nineties bands (e.g. Sunny Day Real Estate, Braid, Boy's Life, Cursive). Likewise, when I think of an "indie" sound I tend to think of Pavement, or other similar bands that were signed to Matador in the nineties (and it was during this decade that there was an explosion of fans that almost exclusively listened to independent label bands). However, I realize that I seem to be in a minority in my thoughts on what an "emo" or "indie" sound might encompass.

With the amount of small labels working under big parent companies, I really doubt most music being produced today is independent. Let's take The Shins and Cursive as two quick examples. These bands are signed to Sub Pop and Saddle Creek Records respectively. Sub Pop is the label that first signed nineties grunge acts likes Nirvana and Mudhoney and has a ton of cultural momentum as an independent label, but Warner Bros. has owned it since '95. Likewise, while Saddle Creek was founded by Conner Oberst in '94, the label is also now owned by Warner Bros. Major labels have a pretty established history of buying or creating smaller incorporated labels to leverage some of the popularity of indie acts to their benefit.

But your final point is fairly cogent irrespective of how much of the market independent music actually commands, simply due to how much fucking music is out there. As a description of a label it encompasses damn near anything you could listen to and as a descriptor of a type of music I find it far too slippery. For me it's enough to simply ignore the word and dive in. There are plenty of genres.

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Re: INDIE

Postby the_bandersnatch » Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:35 pm UTC

Also worth pointing out that in Britain indie is used somewhat differently to how it is in the States - it's more associated with the Manchester and Liverpool scenes and sounds. Back in the Britpop wave of the 90's nearly every guitar-pop-rock band was classed as indie, despite most of them being anything but independent. To this day the label indie is usually used for guitar bands doing Britrock or almost anything alternate.
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