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Postby Jesse » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:18 pm UTC

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@ Phenriz - sorry, you just don't make any sense.


not the first time, nor the last time i've heard that. Basically, i actively refuse to use labels like "Black Metal Post-Apocalyptic Core" or "Progressive Avant Garde Neo Classical Metal". Metal isn't meant to be pretentious.

Stop giving it labels that make it something to be talked about in coffee shops over warm chai tea.


Metal is for skull beating, and demons, not for tea and scones!


comprende?


Because you are the authority on what metal should and should not be? Or, could it be? No, surely not! You're passing opinon off as fact.

I don't much like the crazy amount of 'labels' things get nowadays. I especially hate 'indie' and 'indie folk' (How many folk bands are signed to major labels?!), but that doesn't mean I can state that it goes against what it is 'meant' to be.

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Postby damienthebloody » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:10 am UTC

@Phenriz: Who bothers with those labels aside from the bands themselves, anyway? When it comes to genres, I think it's useful to be able to be able to give a quick rough description of a band, and a I think the simple genre terms such as death, doom, black, thrash, sludge, gothic, etc are very effective like that. Some simple subcategorisation is useful, too (e.g. Death doom vs Funeral Doom), but really, it's not that important. Not worth getting yr knickers in a twizzle.

@Jesster: But we are talking about music. My opinion is objective fact.
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Postby Jesse » Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:12 am UTC

Oh no Damien. Your opinion is, just not Phenriz's.

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Postby Phenriz » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:06 pm UTC

True. although i was also stating my opinon and presenting it a fact, that resides in my head.

Jesster what, in your approximation, is the spirit of metal?
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Postby Narsil » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:13 pm UTC

It's fucking music.

Whatever you call it, it doesn't change. The music wasn't even metal till you stated calling it such.
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Postby Phenriz » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:18 pm UTC

no way, when it got that "ch-chug" in the guitar rifs, that's when metal was born ;)

That said, metal existed before most people here were even born, myself included.


(scientific no?)
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Postby Narsil » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:20 pm UTC

Well if you want to be exact, metal has been around since a few seconds after the Big Bang.

(ha- see what i did there? cuz i didn't mean metal as in music, it was metal as in, you know what, i should probably back out of this thread now.)
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Postby refreshingapathy » Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:45 pm UTC

Nah its all good.


I understand where you're coming from, Phenriz, because a lot of bands will make up their own genre name to make themselves sound cool.


For me, these are the categories I split ALL metal into:

Good Metal

Bad metal


Genres that I may use to describe.... "tech" and experimental are bands like Psyopus, Behold... the Arctopus, and the odd Dillinger Escape Plan song. "Doom" metal is the slow droning stuff like Sunn 0))), Boris, Lagarddrone. Shred metal is anything band that plays retardedly fast and does it well. Grindcore is things like Waking the Cadaver, where breakdowns are more important than anything else. Other bands, like Lamb of God, I would just call "metal." Occasionally you'll run into "folk metal" (see a few pages ago), or "theatrical metal" (yay Sweeden).

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Postby Phenriz » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:00 pm UTC

refreshingapathy wrote:For me, these are the categories I split ALL metal into:

Good Metal

Bad metal


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Postby refreshingapathy » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:05 pm UTC

Certainly.

I think there is a slight difference between categorizing something as "such and such kind of metal" versus attempting to give the person a general idea with descriptors such as "grindcore."


And BTW, good metal happening tomorrow night at a local bar show. So excited.

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Postby haveblue » Thu Aug 02, 2007 4:12 pm UTC

Noun/verb metal ftw
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Postby Koeppi » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:22 pm UTC

I sense a gap between the European and American metal scene....

Most Americans would call Trivium and Lamb of God Death Metal or Metal whereas most of us Europenas would say they're 'not real metal, but some Nu-Metal/Metalcore stuff'.
Is it just me or are bands from the US generally more rhythm-oriented than European bands?


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Postby damienthebloody » Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:35 pm UTC

Koeppi wrote:I sense a gap between the European and American metal scene....

Most Americans would call Trivium and Lamb of God Death Metal or Metal whereas most of us Europenas would say they're 'not real metal, but some Nu-Metal/Metalcore stuff'.


That would be true for me as well.
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It's a region/dialect in southern Germany, I, as a swabian, would say it's one of the most unerotic dialects we have ^^
If you wonder how it sounds, check out Breschdleng (strawberry) with their kickass song Schdeffala nuff, Schdeffala nah (stairs up, stairs down): http://youtube.com/watch?v=wcoMPCmixcI

Freakin' sexy, man...alright, no, not really. But awesome! It's like German, but wackier!
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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:16 am UTC

Koeppi wrote:I sense a gap between the European and American metal scene....

Most Americans would call Trivium and Lamb of God Death Metal or Metal whereas most of us Europeans would say they're 'not real metal, but some Nu-Metal/Metalcore stuff'.

Is it just me or are bands from the US generally more rhythm-oriented than European bands?


I've noticed that too (both the blatant generalizing of metal listeners and the band differences). I think it's cool that the two are taking the genre in different directions, much preferable to almost every American band being copies of existing bands.

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Postby refreshingapathy » Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:38 am UTC

Yes, I would agree certainly that American metal bands seem to be more preoccupied with rhythm... that being said, I don't see a problem with European or American metal. I like both!

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Postby Jadestone » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:01 pm UTC

For me, there's "Metal I like" and "Metal I don't like."
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Postby Jesse » Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:03 pm UTC

Phenriz wrote:True. although i was also stating my opinon and presenting it a fact, that resides in my head.

Jesster what, in your approximation, is the spirit of metal?


Just saw this, thus the late reply. My answer is, I haven't a fucking clue. Also, does it matter what label a piece of music is given so long as I can rock out to it? It's handy for seeing what kind of thing someone is into, but going past that it is not much use.

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Postby Castaway » Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:00 am UTC

I adhere to the European system. Lamb of God is not really metal. They're fun, but not Metal. What's you're favorite subgenre of metal? I think i'm more of a Black Metal guy, with tendencies toward symphonic. I wish I knew Folk Metal better.
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Postby Colm » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:40 am UTC

I'm big into Dillinger Escape Plan and Municipal Waste at the moment. I listen to Meshuggah quite a bit too, but they're a bit different to most metal bands as they're pretty much all about the groove.

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Postby drosophila » Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:57 am UTC

I think my favorite subgenre of metal is blackened death. Naglfar, Dissection, Zyklon, Behemoth... I like folk metal too, but more like Korpiklaani rather than the really over-synthesized stuff.

You guys are a lot more exclusionary than I am... Lamb of God not metal? They may not fit into some of the subgenres they get labeled as here, but not metal at all?

On a completely unrelated note, does anybody here like UneXpect?

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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:05 am UTC

drosophila wrote:You guys are a lot more exclusionary than I am... Lamb of God not metal? They may not fit into some of the subgenres they get labeled as here, but not metal at all?

On a completely unrelated note, does anybody here like UneXpect?


Some purists argue that LoG's hardcore influence is greater than their metal influence, and so are on the hardcore side of metalcore. Either that or just say all metalcore isn't metal. I tend to subscribe to the former.

And I do loves me some Unexpect. I think I prefer In a Flesh Aquarium over Utopia though. It's seriously a great album. I used to listen to the intro over and over again because it was seriously whoa.

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Postby Castaway » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:15 am UTC

I guess I always heard that Metal-core isn't metal. I never really formed my own thoughts, because I don't like it much.
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Postby Koeppi » Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:59 am UTC

It's not that Metalcore can't be good music, but it's a bunch of short-haired, basecap-wearing, can't-pull-a-decent-death-growl and attracting-strange-hardcoredancing-morons hipsters.
Also some of them are probably vegans. Or straight edge.
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Postby Fluff » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:19 am UTC

Koeppi wrote:It's not that Metalcore can't be good music, but it's a bunch of short-haired, basecap-wearing, can't-pull-a-decent-death-growl and attracting-strange-hardcoredancing-morons hipsters.
Also some of them are probably vegans. Or straight edge.


Which is basically metal that's been neutered.

What happened to sex, drugs, and rock n roll.

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Postby Koeppi » Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:28 am UTC

Fluff wrote:
Which is basically metal that's been neutered.

What happened to sex, drugs, and rock n roll.


Exactly!
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Postby LizardKing » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:31 pm UTC

Yay metal \m/

I've already gone over my love of NIN in another thread, but I love metal far more. Though I also have a soft spot for Devin Townsend, who is just awesome.

Favourite bands (in no particular order)

Strapping Young Lad (Devin again; fast and noisy and just downright awesome)
The Crown (brilliant death metal)
The Berzerker (superfast grindcore insanity)
Emperor (The complex guitar work on later albums gets me wet)
Fear Factory (I tend to think of them as a more metal version of NIN)
Iced Earth (Like Metallica with more 'rawr')
Amon Amarth (I dunno, they're just great)

There's so many other I could put down, but that will suffice for now. Hmm, I'll go nab some youtube links as well, see what I can find.

Strapping Young Lad - SYL
The Crown - Death Explosion (live) - Not a great example, but all I could find
The Berzerker - Eye for an eye - Oh fuck yes.
Emperor - Sworn
Fear Factory - Archetype (Meh, ignore the video)
Iced Earth - Pure Evil (Live) - Probably the tamest of the lot, lovely riffage though
Amon Amarth - Death in fire \m/

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Postby refreshingapathy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:59 pm UTC

Ok, now to attention whore a little bit (sorry)....

I have a metal radio show on WONY, my college's radio station on Monday nights from 10pm to midnight. This will start in three weeks... I'll probably say something then too.

If you're within 30 miles of SUNY Oneonta (give or take, depends on how the transmitter is feeling that night), you can listen in on 90.9FM.

If you're not around there, then you can can listen in on webcasting (I'll link it later).

I take requests, oh boy, do I ever take requests. And I take call-ins as long as you don't cuss. So save up your long distance to call the studio. I'll even do an XKCD shoutout show if there's enough listeners. :)



Anyways... I'm going to see some band called "Bitch Slicer" tonight at a local bar. Should be good.

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Postby mqarcus » Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:31 pm UTC

I rarely listen to metal, but when I do then... Here's a list:

Burzum
Capricornus
Darkthrone (Early)
Ildjarn
Katatonia (Early)
Nordisches Blut
Suffocation
Therion
Windir
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Postby bbctol » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:16 pm UTC

mqarcus wrote:Burzum

That band which i've never heard of is automatically made out of win, because its name is in the Black Speech.

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Postby mqarcus » Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:23 pm UTC

You really should hear him, it is... beauty.
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Postby refreshingapathy » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:11 pm UTC

Burzum = metal God.


I could do anything to a Burzum sound track. Make love, drop acid, kill someone, you name it. Its just LIFE music.

And awesome to boot.

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Postby Koeppi » Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:58 pm UTC

Meh, Burzum is THE most overrated BM band in history.
The guy made perhaps 3 good songs and an awful lot of crap.
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Postby damienthebloody » Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:14 am UTC

Koeppi wrote:Meh, Burzum is THE most overrated BM band in history.
The guy made perhaps 3 good songs and an awful lot of crap.

Disagree. He roughly 3 good albums (when you add it all together), and a lot of crap. but the good stuff is amazing, still.

mqarcus wrote:Burzum
Capricornus
Darkthrone (Early)
Ildjarn
Katatonia (Early)
Nordisches Blut
Suffocation
Therion
Windir


Great list of bands!

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Postby Rodan » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:40 am UTC

I really like Rammstein, partly from living in Germany for most of my life, near Ramstein air force base.

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Postby mqarcus » Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:04 am UTC

mqarcus wrote:Burzum
Capricornus
Darkthrone (Early)
Ildjarn
Katatonia (Early)
Nordisches Blut
Suffocation
Therion
Windir


Great list of bands!

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Meh, that was just a small piece of everything. I can put together a bigger one today :) But thanks.
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Postby drosophila » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:44 am UTC

refreshingapathy wrote:Anyways... I'm going to see some band called "Bitch Slicer" tonight at a local bar. Should be good.


Hahaha. Bitch Slicer.

Does anyone have any favorite ridiculous/horrible/hilarious metal band names?

I came across my two favorites while poking around The Encyclopaedia Metallum: Goat's Ass Trumpet and Misantropical Painforest.

In the little article on about Goat's Ass Trumpet they list their lyrical themes as "Death, Goats." Oh, the glory.

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Postby The Sleeping Tyrant » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:05 am UTC

drosophila wrote:
Does anyone have any favorite ridiculous/horrible/hilarious metal band names?

I came across my two favorites while poking around The Encyclopaedia Metallum: Goat's Ass Trumpet and Misantropical Painforest.


I've actually heard that the bolded are good. I can't remember who from, of if they were reliable, but still!

Ridiculous, horrible, and hilarious at the same time -- ladies and gentlemen, I give you: Stovokor.

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Postby haveblue » Sat Aug 11, 2007 2:33 am UTC

Stovokor's song on their purevolume is actually decent. I could see myself listening to them, secretly.
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Postby Toeofdoom » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:50 pm UTC

Lets see... Within Temptation, Tool, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, Metallica (the symphony CDs), Opeth and a couple of Dream Theater songs are the ones I like

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Postby xooll » Sun Aug 12, 2007 2:57 am UTC

drosophila wrote:I came across my two favorites while poking around The Encyclopaedia Metallum: Goat's Ass Trumpet and Misantropical Painforest.

In the little article on about Goat's Ass Trumpet they list their lyrical themes as "Death, Goats." Oh, the glory.

I slightly-in-an-internet-sort-of-way know the guy behind Goat's Ass Trumpet.
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