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What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Sat Aug 23, 2014 3:53 am UTC

What would you Force them to read?

If you were an Educator, responsible for exposure of Young Minds to Human Knowledge,
What would you Force them to read?

Or; Have read to them.
Would you do One Thing over and over?

By Age?
At 2 years old, what would you prescribe for the Child to hear read?
At 3 years old is the Choice different or broader?

As the years progress;
What would you Force them to Read or have read to them?

Me?
The Deserata.

Never too young.
Never too old.

It is a fairly One Size Fits All sort of document.
Just, start the day with that and see what happens.

Spoiler:
Desiderata

1. Go placidly amid the Noise and Haste,
And; Remember what Peace there may be in Silence.

2. As Far as Possible without Surrender
Be on Good Terms with all Persons.


3. Speak your Truth, Quietly and Clearly; and Listen to Others,
They too have Their Stories.

4. Avoid Loud and Aggressive Persons,
They are Vexations to the Spirit.


5. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter;

For always there will be Greater and Lesser Persons than Yourself.

6. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.

Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
It is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.


7. Exercise caution in your business affairs;
For the world is Full of Trickery.

7. a) But let this not Blind You to what Virtue there is;
Many persons strive for High Ideals;

And; everywhere Life is Full of Heroism.

8. Be yourself.

Especially, do not feign affection.

8 a) Neither be cynical about Love;
For in the face of all Dryness and Disenchantment,
Love is as Perennial as the Grass.

9. Take kindly the counsel of the years,
Gracefully surrendering the Things of Youth.


10. Nurture strength of Spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But, do not distress yourself with dark imaginings;

Many fears are born of Fatigue and Loneliness.

11. Beyond a Wholesome Discipline, Be Gentle with Yourself.
You are a Child of the Universe,
No Less than The Trees and The Stars;

You have a Right to be Here.


12. And; Whether or Not it is clear to you,
No doubt the Universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore; Be at peace with God;
whatever you conceive Him to be.


13. And; Whatever your Labors and Aspirations,
in the Noisy Confusion of Life
Keep Peace with your Soul.


14. With all its Sham, Drudgery and Broken Dreams,
it is still a Beautiful World.

15. Be Cheerful.
Strive to be happy.


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September 26, 1872 – September 9, 1945
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Angua » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:27 am UTC

Probably some Terry Pratchett stuff.

eg - get them to read Wyrd Sisters then write a report comparing it to Shakespeare's plays (so hopefully they'd read at least Hamlet and Macbeth that way).

Or you could just make it into a game - chose one book and then see who can find the most references to other works. Hopefully it would inspire some curiosity into the original material.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:56 am UTC

At how old?
Three year old children can't read Shakspere.
I'm older than that and I can't read it.

I know, it is sort of a stupid question.
Before the electronic voice, people read more.

There were actual arguments against teaching poor people to read.
I followed the people on the Other Side.

They said,
"Teach them to read and they will decide for themselves what to read."

People have the right to learn to read.
But; they don't want to.

Forcing people to read can't be the right answer.
It was a fleeting thought.

Better minds than mine have failed.
I will give up and avoid the struggle.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Dthen » Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:25 pm UTC

Treasure Island!
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:43 pm UTC

Dthen wrote:Treasure Island!

Why?
I never read it.

Is it like Goonies?
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Znirk » Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 am UTC

addams wrote:
Dthen wrote:Treasure Island!

Why?
I never read it.

Is it like Goonies?


This is a personal opinion of course, but Stevenson was a powerful writer and one of the great storytellers in the English language. He's well worth a look. The obvious, popular ones apart from Treasure Island are Kidnapped and The strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, although personally I find the latter drags a bit in places.

Neither is a good choice for three-year-olds, but then I don't really expect three-year-olds to read longer texts by themselves. Tell/read them stories (you can also use audiobooks and audioplays, and/or record yourself for later repeat performances), and make up stories with them. If you're dealing with a three-year-old interested in reading and writing, you might already try the alternating story thing where you write one or two sentences, let the child do one or two sentences, repeat. Three is pretty young for that, but can work. Most young'uns will also have fun illustrating the story as it is being written - you can try each writer doing the pictures for their own bit, or illustrating each other's. Children can be surprisingly smart about storytelling techniques, and will serve you hooks on a platter like you'd never have expected (although I admit my experience is mainly with children who do have a lot of stories told to them).

I don't know Goonies, so I'll leave that part of the question for someone competent.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:58 am UTC

You are correct.
Children are smart.

Children are Human and Humans are Smart.
I posed the Question in a moment of despair.

From time to time I interact with my fellow Americans.
Every once in a while, I get the Bright Idea,

'If we could only, just, teach them All one true thing.'

"OK!" I thought.
"We will find One True Thing and Everybody will be forced to read it."

I may have pulled out of it and come to my senses.
That will Never Work. Not that it has not been tried.

With some profound success, I might add.
That was before The Internet. Not, now.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

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Some of us see The Gutter.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby rmsgrey » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:03 am UTC

I learned to read on Mr Men books (and probably others) age 3, so, while I don't know if I'd go so far as to recommend them, they're not a terrible idea for a 3-year-old.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:12 am UTC

Never mind, Honey.
I am not going to fix a three year old before it gets broken.

I worked with a Doctor that did not learn to read until he discovered Playboy.
He could read, just fine. Strong hands on that man. Coincidence? Yes.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Vahir » Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:43 pm UTC

I'm not sure forcing teenagers to read is the best way to get them into literature. All it does is ruin a superb story for them. I think if the story is that good, you shouldn't have to "force" them to read it in the first place.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:22 am UTC

I think you are correct.
No one Forced me to read much.
I liked to read.

It has been the same story, always.
Some people will pound grass into paper to write on.
Some people will take clay from the ground to write on.

Those people usually have counterparts that love the products of their labor.

It has been the same story, always.
There have always been people that do not have an interest and do not see the usefulness.
Those people seem to have a point.

Why are you thinking about Hobbits?
Hobbits are Not real.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby serutan » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:16 am UTC

Vahir wrote:I'm not sure forcing teenagers to read is the best way to get them into literature. All it does is ruin a superb story for them. I think if the story is that good, you shouldn't have to "force" them to read it in the first place.


Agree. I would even go so far to say that forcing a teenager to read a book is about the best way to make them hate it.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:31 am UTC

serutan wrote:
Vahir wrote:I'm not sure forcing teenagers to read is the best way to get them into literature. All it does is ruin a superb story for them. I think if the story is that good, you shouldn't have to "force" them to read it in the first place.


Agree. I would even go so far to say that forcing a teenager to read a book is about the best way to make them hate it.

oh, now;
Wait a moment.

We were all forced to read.
I feel in love with books I was forced to read.

Cellular Biology.
I would have Never read that book.

Before I took the class, I could not read that book.
After I took the class, I had pages marked and I read and re-read it.

Even as children, people were forced to read and (Horrors) memorize text.
By fourth grade a child should be able to handle The Arrow and The Song.

The Arrow and The Song.

I shot an arrow into the air,

It fell to earth, I knew not where;


For, so swiftly it flew, the sight

Could not follow it in its flight.



I breathed a song into the air,

It fell to earth, I knew not where;


For who has sight so keen and strong,

That it can follow the flight of song?



Long, long afterward, in an oak

i found The Arrow, still unbroke;


And; The Song, from beginning to end,

I found again in the heart of a friend.

Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
1807-1882


Those words are a gift.
Way back in the old days, that needed to be inside the head.

The children then did not have Wi-Fi.
Today, it is best not to ask anything of most people and less of children, especially teens.

I 'get' it.
I know a required reading list will do nothing but give people something to bitch about.
People have enough to bitch about, now.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Zcorp » Wed Sep 03, 2014 6:35 pm UTC

Force is the wrong word.

You want to set up goals, provide reasons for those goals to the student and then provide support and tools for them to reach those goals.

Forcing students to read things in general is often a terrible idea. Forcing them to do so without conveying the reason behind why you are making them do so will often damage your relationship with the student and their motivation to learn.

That said, there are various things I would suggest a student read for different goals.

I believe there is value in the idea that humans, the technological children of humanity could be around for tens of thousands or millions of years. I think this concept inspires greater thought on the idea of what we are and what we are capable of.

I think the Foundation books or the Dune books do a decent job of teaching this idea. I'm not aware of another series that covers such a vast amount of time if there is that would be a perfectly acceptable choice as well.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:51 am UTC

Dune was so dark.
Kafka was dark, too.

We were not required to read Kafka.
Were you?
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Euphonium » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:17 am UTC

Orientalism - Edward Said
The Order of Things and The Archaeology of Knowledge - Michel Foucault
Dialectic of Enlightenment - Max Horkheimer and Theodor Adorno
The Wretched of the Earth - Frantz Fanon
The Invention of Tradition - Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, eds.
The Social Construction of Reality - Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann
Provincializing Europe - Dipesh Chakrabarty
The Interpretation of Cultures - Clifford Geertz
The Use and Abuse of Biology and The Western Illusion of Human Nature - Marshall Sahlins
How Societies Remember - Paul Connerton
The Prison Notebooks - Antonio Gramsci
Main Street - Sinclair Lewis
Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
Anna Karenina and Resurrection - Leo Tolstoy
The Idiot and The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Glass Bead Game - Hermann Hesse
Changing Ones: Third and Fourth Genders in Native North America - Will Roscoe
American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon - Stephen Prothero

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:45 am UTC

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=107139

You might want to jump into that thread.
We don't need to force them.

Suggestions. Yes.
Requirements for their chosen profession. yes.

I was taught, "We don't censor."

We teach them to read.
They teach us who they are, by what they choose.

Sometimes I forget.
I think, "If we could, only, get through to them..."

Well..I'm Wrong.
They will reach out or Not.

If we try to force them, they will bite the hand that teaches them.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby cphite » Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:23 pm UTC

At three years old it really doesn't matter - they're just learning the mechanics of reading. So basically any of those cardboard bound toddler books will do. Something with colorful pictures and a subject matter they find interesting.

As they progress, the books should get more complex; actual stories.

I don't believe in forcing kids to read any specific books. Make them read, yes - but let them choose from a variety of appropriate books. I love reading and have since I was a kid; but I hated a lot of the books I was forced to read in school. Part of that may have been just being a kid and hating being told to do something; but mostly it was that the material just wasn't interesting to me. The Great Gatsby was, in my opinion, a horribly boring book. Great Expectations was another one; I found nothing interesting about it.

On the other hand, I loved Frankenstein and Moby Dick.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Fri Oct 03, 2014 4:14 am UTC

I agree with you.
Some of the required reading was too boring to read.

It was said, "We teach them to read. What they choose to read is up to them."
Those conversations went into the night, sometimes.

There was strong opposition to Public Education.
We were told they would read Porn. They do.

Teaching people to read, It made sense.
What they choose to read, tells us who they are.
Don't force them. Do not force anyone. I get it.

I think it is a darn good idea to Swap Books once in a while.
They can read anything they like; What are they reading?

Personal Story:
I thought I knew a man.
I did not really know him.

I picked up a book he was reading and read it.
Holy Fuck!

ok. That is what is going on inside that head. aaahhh!
Censor? I don't know.

Better minds than mine have figured that out.
Life is, just, an exchange of electrons; It is up to us to give it meaning.

We are all in The Gutter.
Some of us see The Gutter.
Some of us see The Stars.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby RabbitWho » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:30 pm UTC

Teenagers everywhere need to read 1984.

Kids in Britain and Ireland need to read "The Blue Horse" (a book about the Traveller community)

Teenagers and Adults in anglophone countries or countries with a lot of exposure to US culture need to read People's History of the United States


I would have said "The Plague" as well.. but I've found people miss the point of that book a lot.

These books impart a certain morality, I think of them as counter-brainwashing. I wouldn't want them to be the only thing they young people were exposed to, but I think not being exposed to these ideas at all is harmful.



If we try to force them, they will bite the hand that teaches them.


If that was necessarily true then you wouldn't see To Kill a Mocking Bird on so many people's list of favourite books.


I picked up a book he was reading and read it.
Holy Fuck!


Oooo... What book was it?



I like the idea of having a reading list of maybe 5 books, that the teacher has read, and kids choose which of the 5 they like most. But they'll choose the book with the fewest pages.

You know what happened when we were given a choice which poems to learn in school? They literally counted the lines in the poem and the shortest poem always won. A short poem about nature would beat a short poem about prostitution just because the prostitution one had 2 more lines.

It drove me crazy. We were never allowed to argue for the poems, I would say to my friends after "Why didn't you vote for this one! it rhymes, so it's easier to learn.. and it's about sex!"

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:20 pm UTC

I often think about this, about what books I would want my children to be reading and into and loving, but then I think about how my dad gave me books that he loved and I just couldn't relate to. Maybe my kids will hate fantasy and sci fi, and only find biographies worthwhile. Maybe they'll hate reading (I threw up a little just then).

There was a great quote I remember hearing on some NPR piece on fatherhood:

"We all know the sort of parents we needed, but it's harder to be the sort of parent your kids need".
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby rmsgrey » Mon Dec 15, 2014 3:54 pm UTC

Izawwlgood wrote:I often think about this, about what books I would want my children to be reading and into and loving, but then I think about how my dad gave me books that he loved and I just couldn't relate to. Maybe my kids will hate fantasy and sci fi, and only find biographies worthwhile. Maybe they'll hate reading (I threw up a little just then).


Top tip if you want your kids to like a certain type of story: read to them.

Make the time to put them to bed and read a chapter or two.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Izawwlgood » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:59 pm UTC

Of course of course, but I think a lot of people/us like to think that we'll raise children that are tiny versions of ourselves. "My child will love biology and tidepools and space and Avatar the Last Airbender and running and climbing and swinging and hate deep water and mean people!" when who knows, maybe my kid will just really like drawing and guitar and sports.

A lot of people/we forget that children are unique individual humans with personalities and preferences that are certainly affected by what you expose them to, but that ultimately, you can only try and figure out what your kid likes and help them pursue it.

I remember sitting in a tree and crying while reading about Raul's reunion with Aenea, being helped to my feet in a mosh pit and thinking 'THIS IS ALL WE NEED IN SOCIETY (maaaaaaan)'. Those experiences, and all the books and music and plays and shows and games I played that made a mark on me were things that were special to ME (and obviously others). You can expose your kids to them, and hope they also find meaning in them, but you just have to accept maybe they won't.

Peers are a much stronger affector of childhood interests I think anyway. My parents influence over me after the age of 8 or so was pretty minimal relative to the expectations and pressures of my peers. I didn't get into punk and grunge and rock because my parents had it on at home, but because Katherine thought Kurt Cobain was dreamy in 8th grade.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby stopmadnessnow » Thu Mar 10, 2016 9:28 pm UTC

I'd force 11 year olds to read Mistress Masham's Repose by T H White.
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Jahoclave » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:30 pm UTC

Euphonium wrote:Orientalism - Edward Said
The Order of Things and The Archaeology of Knowledge - Michel Foucault
Dialectic of Enlightenment - Max Horkheimer and Theodor Adorno
The Wretched of the Earth - Frantz Fanon
The Invention of Tradition - Eric Hobsbawm and Terence Ranger, eds.
The Social Construction of Reality - Peter L. Berger and Thomas Luckmann
Provincializing Europe - Dipesh Chakrabarty
The Interpretation of Cultures - Clifford Geertz
The Use and Abuse of Biology and The Western Illusion of Human Nature - Marshall Sahlins
How Societies Remember - Paul Connerton
The Prison Notebooks - Antonio Gramsci
Main Street - Sinclair Lewis
Jude the Obscure - Thomas Hardy
Anna Karenina and Resurrection - Leo Tolstoy
The Idiot and The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Glass Bead Game - Hermann Hesse
Changing Ones: Third and Fourth Genders in Native North America - Will Roscoe
American Jesus: How the Son of God Became a National Icon - Stephen Prothero

You really hate them, don't you? Because shit, that's nearly a Ph.D. reading list started there.

But I think part of the problem is this idea of collating a list of must read books for young minds, which is quite possibly the absolute worst idea in the history of reading, particularly as it lends itself to having them read books they're not prepared to get. Sure, the Great Gatsby is nice and all, but in reality, it's a far better late college age book than high school. Same with Shakespeare. He's important, but there's a lot going on that a lot of High School students just aren't going to get and that you really don't have the time to instruct them with. I'm glad to see that more young adult literature is filtering itself into the high school curriculum and the old white dudes are dropping the fuck out. But seriously, famous book, very thematically important book, etc... is not necessarily a book students need to read, especially in primary education settings.

The best strategy, just have a fuck ton of books for them to read. Luckily, libraries exist. Taking them there. And if it's far a class, give it a really good hard think about what it is you want them to get out of the reading experience and why they're going to be reading it.

And if they pick up Fenimore Cooper you smack that shit out of their hands-because shit, take some responsibility.

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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby addams » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:05 pm UTC

And if they pick up Fenimore Cooper you smack that shit out of their hands-because shit, take some responsibility.

That's funny.

"Take some Responsibility"
On a Tee-Shirt?

Written backwards,
so it can be read in a mirror?
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Re: What would you Force them to read?

Postby Jahoclave » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:15 pm UTC

addams wrote:
And if they pick up Fenimore Cooper you smack that shit out of their hands-because shit, take some responsibility.

That's funny.

"Take some Responsibility"
On a Tee-Shirt?

Written backwards,
so it can be read in a mirror?

Copyright, me, royalty please. :P

But seriously, Cooper is terrible. Read Sedgwick instead.


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