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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby markfiend » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:08 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:I also don't recall the sunlight thing being much of an issue anymore (trolls turning to stone in it), but I may be mistaken.

I think you can rationalise that as follows: the bits when trolls did turn to stone in the earlier books, it must just have been really hot.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Matsi » Wed Nov 26, 2008 9:43 pm UTC

It's hard to choose, but after i while i figured i like "Nightwatch" best. It's simply the story that captures Ankh-Morpork and it's characters the best imo, and even though it's quite a long way from the Hub, it's the hub of the Discworld series.

I can't really say which one i liked least though.. probably one of the books where TP started milking Rincewind for all he was worth. Still very funny stories, but not as good as what went before or came after.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Hentzau » Wed Nov 26, 2008 11:31 pm UTC

'Eric' is my least favourite. Because of the publishing anomalies I had a time of finding it; I expected more for my effort.

I'll go with 'The Fifth Elephant' as my favourite, with 'Jingo' as second. This because they are the most beaten up of my collection, from all the re- readings.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Koboldskind » Thu Nov 27, 2008 9:17 am UTC

My favourite discworld books (measured by lowest resale value, they are almost destroyed from re-reading) in no particular order would be
- Nightwatch
- Men at Arms
- Soul Music
- Interesting Times

while my least favourite are Colour of Magic / Light Fantastic ... they have the humor, but the plot is just one long there-and-back-again thing, the more complex stories of the later books is mucho better.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby GeorgeYoung » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:48 pm UTC

My favourite is either Night Watch or Monstrous Regiment. Vimes and Jackrum compete for Best Character Ever status, I love Vimes's cynicism and Jackrum is just cool.
I love the City Watch books and other books set in Ank-Morpork (Although Making Money wasn't great), I think one of the things I love about them is the way he uses the city as an analogy for modern/historical Briton, although I don't always agree with the political messages in his books (especially the stuff he has to say on patriotism in MR, I'm rather fond of patriotism).

I was a bit worried that he was losing his touch a bit with his latest books, or that maybe his Altimeters was causing problems but then a read Nation, which was great (I know this is a topic for Diskworld but it was a brilliant book, go read it).

Diskword that I would recommend:

Thud!-The Dwarves are used as an analogy to Muslims which I think is funny
The Last Continent
The Truth
The Colour of Magic
Men at Arms
Jingo
Small Gods

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Moo » Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:58 pm UTC

He doesn't have "regular old" Alzheimers; he suffers no dementia; it affects his motor skills. The stories are in his head the same as always; he just can't type them anymore.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Monty40xi » Tue Dec 02, 2008 5:41 am UTC

Moo wrote:He doesn't have "regular old" Alzheimers; he suffers no dementia; it affects his motor skills. The stories are in his head the same as always; he just can't type them anymore.
From what I've read, his version of it also affects his ability to perceive things. If he knows his glasses are on the table, he can see them. If he doesn't know they're there, he can't see them. It's not a problem with writing until he forgets where the "s" key is.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby GeorgeYoung » Tue Dec 02, 2008 8:51 pm UTC

I've done some reading, apparently it effects his visual processing; he can see things but can recognise what he is seeing

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby annals » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:12 am UTC

Monty40xi wrote: From what I've read, his version of it also affects his ability to perceive things. If he knows his glasses are on the table, he can see them. If he doesn't know they're there, he can't see them. It's not a problem with writing until he forgets where the "s" key is.


Which seems somewhat ironic considering the recurring theme of that's how DEATH walks around in plain sight without anyone noticing. Though I suppose in that version it's that they know he's not there.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby ^.* » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:49 pm UTC

Fevourite book hmm the fifth elephant (maybe). But honestly i love them all. Concerning humour nothing beats discworld and the stories arn`t bad either.
Least favourite is hard. Let`s say Strata though it`s not exactly discworld(only an prototyp). It wasn`t bad but far from the other discworld books.

I hope Terry Pratchetts illnes doesn`t hamper him too much, there can`t be enough of his books. His kind of alzheimer sounds better than the normal kind, but it would frighten me if I couldn`t trust my perception anymore.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Moo » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:53 pm UTC

Well he has found dictating unbearable and can't really type anymore so it is unsure how many more books there'll be.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Angua » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:12 pm UTC

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Nath » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:02 pm UTC

...oooooooooooooo.

Luckily, I've been pacing myself; I still have a large amount of Discworld left to explore. I've only read the first one or two novels in each of the plot threads: Rincewind (Colour of Magic, Light Fantastic; Sourcery is next), Witches (pretty sure I've read Equal Rites, though the second half of the synopsis looks unfamiliar...), Death (Mort; didn't actually read it, but heard the radio version). I haven't read anything from the Guards series; I'll probably pick up one of those next. I've also read Small Gods, Going Postal, Thief of Time, and Amazing Maurice.

My favourite so far has been Small Gods, by a big margin. I had a similar story floating around in my head, and Pratchett pulled it off perfectly.

Amazing Maurice was surprisingly good -- above average for a Discworld novel, and that's a high bar. If I hadn't known it was written for kids, I wouldn't have guessed.

I know that Colour of Magic is supposed to be one of the weaker novels, but it was the first Pratchett novel I read. I hadn't laughed so hard at a book since the Hitchhiker's Guide. (Or maybe some Jeeves and Wooster.)

I'd probably elect Going Postal as my least favourite. Perfectly good airport reading, but ultimately not all that interesting. Probably better than the early Rincewinds, but I'd read them first.

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Postby JayDee » Thu Dec 04, 2008 11:04 pm UTC

Nath wrote:Amazing Maurice was surprisingly good -- above average for a Discworld novel, and that's a high bar. If I hadn't known it was written for kids, I wouldn't have guessed.

The main difference I noticed was that Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents had more swearing (or more explicit swearing) than the regular books.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Brother Maynard » Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:51 pm UTC

I would personally contribute to paying to Terry to have a professional typist he can dictate to, then, if he's still thinking all right but only suffers perception and motor skills problems.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Moo » Thu Jan 22, 2009 3:00 pm UTC

He says he's tried dictating to his personal assistant (whom he's worked closely with for yeeeears) and finds it very hard to form his thoughts that way. Somehow I don't think money's the problem.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Various Varieties » Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:56 pm UTC

The BBC's documentary Terry Pratchett: Living with Alzheimer's will be broadcast 4th and 11th February.

Saw a trailer for it the other day - it featured him attempting to do up his tie. :(

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby EvilDuckie » Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:36 am UTC

Best: Soul Music (because I just love rock music and there's so many little jokes in there that you don't get until reading it for the third or fourth time) and Moving Pictures (because it has something good to say about cartography)

Worst: I'm trying to get through Sourcery at the moment, which isn't going very smoothly.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Moo » Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:50 am UTC

Various Varieties wrote:The BBC's documentary Terry Pratchett: Living with Alzheimer's will be broadcast 4th and 11th February.

Saw a trailer for it the other day - it featured him attempting to do up his tie. :(
I think this is the one they were filming when I was at the Discworld convention! They followed him around and asked for our permission to film the convention goers and that we should tell them if we don't want to be in it if we see them filming. That was totally cool.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby the_bandersnatch » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:46 pm UTC

Question about Thud! (because I couldn't think of another thread to put it in): do you think the Watchman at the end is meant to be another creature akin to The Summoning Dark, or do you think it's merely part of Vimes' subconscious mind, his iron self-control, that manifests itself?

I'd always thought the latter until a differing opinion got me thinking. So what do you think?
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Postby JayDee » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:12 pm UTC

I don't think there is any reason to think it another creature akin to the Summoning Dark.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Moo » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:15 pm UTC

I must admit I didn't entertain any other possibility than it being Vimes' deepest self, his self control, conscience, who he wants to be, etc. Interesting idea though, made me think.

Then again does that necessarily preclude it from being an entity equal and opposite to the Summoning Dark? It just resides in Sam Vimes. Or maybe I'm talking hogwash.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby serpentwind » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:51 am UTC

I loved Going Postal.

It made me start reading again.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Various Varieties » Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:24 pm UTC

Hentzau wrote:'Eric' is my least favourite. Because of the publishing anomalies I had a time of finding it; I expected more for my effort.

I think Eric is the only one of the main Discworld series I haven't read. However, it was one of the first I saw - I remember browsing through a copy in the school library. That was the original lavishly-illustrated Josh Kirby version, which is now out of print. I don't know why it's no longer available; surely it would sell reasonably well if reprinted. Personally I'd much rather read it in that format - the prose novel(la) doesn't have a very good reputation, and I think people would look on it more favourably if they thought of it more like the other picture book, The Last Hero.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Chuff » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:59 am UTC

I'm gonna have to go with Lords and Ladies as my favorite, with Jingo second.
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Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
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Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
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I guess my least favorite would be Monstrous Regiment, but I don't really know. I like all of them.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Shadowphax » Mon May 11, 2009 9:33 pm UTC

Yeah Monstrous Regiment was pretty hilarious - the observations made about adolescent boys were brilliant. there are no discworld books i really dislike, though i generally enjoy the vimes books most and the rincewind books least. the witches books are good too though and i really love the Death trilogy - some of the concepts Pratchett uses about death are fascinating. my favourites are definately the ones about Vimes and the Watch though - i love the murder mystery style ones - especially Men At Arms.

Just wondering, has anyone read Good Omens? it's by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman and it's well worth reading - pratchett's humour, but slightly darker in a way. really great :)

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby GraphiteGirl » Mon May 25, 2009 1:29 am UTC

I've not read a huge number of Discworld books yet - became a fan of Pratchett through Good Omens and my rabid Neil Gaiman obsession.
I'm reading out of order, but so far, my favourites have been Monstrous Regiment and The Truth. I like how the crazy humour of the earlier books (shopping trolleys and snowglobes in Reaper Man - brilliant) are tempered by a little more seriousness in these two.
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Especially liked the parts dealing with William de Worde overcoming his family background - sort of - in The Truth. Also, just everything about Otto and Maladicta and the Temperance League is wonderful. Guaranteed to cause fits of hysterical laughter, for some reason. And every Blouse joke in MR, although I wasn't enormously keen on the Duchess deus ex machina ending.

Also love the books featuring Death, and the Witches so far (Wyrd Sisters is much funnier with some knowledge of Macbeth), and just starting on the books featuring Vimes now. I'm at the beginning of Guards! Guards! and just want to hug him and give him a warm bath, but maybe that's because I read MR first.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby the_bandersnatch » Mon May 25, 2009 11:03 am UTC

GraphiteGirl wrote:Also, I have a friend who might be doing a stage adaptation of Lords and Ladies, sponsored by a Shakespeare Society, if copywriteness allows. So yay!


That's cool, PTerry's a big supporter of getting his stuff on stage, there's even scripted versions of most of the books available to buy so your friend won't have to start afresh.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Brother Maynard » Thu May 28, 2009 3:20 pm UTC

*is revisiting this thread*

I have to say that I like the Moist Von Lipwig books quite a lot now, and the book that's scheduled for release in October looks promising.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Angua » Thu May 28, 2009 3:31 pm UTC

Could you please post more information about this next book, I can't find anything about it on google.
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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Paranatural » Thu May 28, 2009 8:16 pm UTC

I love pretty much all of his books, but I found Monstrous Regiment to be by far the worst book he's written. It's like he had a half-formed idea for a story he just couldn't get out of his head, so he put it on paper, it fell flat, and he didn't have a decent end for it so he just went the lame and predicable route.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Astonished Lemons » Thu May 28, 2009 10:28 pm UTC

I think the only truly sub-par book of his is Eric. It was simply a slap dash way to get Rincewind out of "hell".

My favorite has to be either Going Postal, or Thud!. Or maybe Nightwatch. Or Small Gods. Lords and ladies, Carpe Jugulum, Mort. . .
Okay, I plead guilty. I love them all.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Brother Maynard » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:55 pm UTC

There's not much information past a back-cover blurb floating around on the internet and a mention or two in interviews, but Unseen Academicals is scheduled for release, according to Amazon, on October 6th.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby there is no zero » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:39 pm UTC

6th? That's nice — Wikipedia said the 8th, and my birthday is the seventh...

My favorites are the Watch books. Not sure about least favorite.

Also, someone has to explain "The Surreptitious Fabric" to me, because I'm like this guy minus Guitar Hero.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby the_bandersnatch » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:03 pm UTC

there is no zero wrote:6th? That's nice — Wikipedia said the 8th, and my birthday is the seventh...

My favorites are the Watch books. Not sure about least favorite.

Also, someone has to explain "The Surreptitious Fabric" to me, because I'm like this guy minus Guitar Hero.


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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Chuff » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:28 am UTC

My new favorite is Witches Abroad. Granny is just too aweesome.


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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Bismark » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:33 am UTC

Moo wrote:I must admit I didn't entertain any other possibility than it being Vimes' deepest self, his self control, conscience, who he wants to be, etc. Interesting idea though, made me think.

Then again does that necessarily preclude it from being an entity equal and opposite to the Summoning Dark? It just resides in Sam Vimes. Or maybe I'm talking hogwash.


The thing Pratchett does better than anything else is personifying abstract concepts. Both the Summoning Dark, even though it is an actual entity, and the watchman are personifications of the workings of the subconscious. Within the books it can be seen as Vimes finally banishing the "demons" that haunt him, alcoholism, inadequacy, anger etc. due to his family.

Secondly

Jingo is by far my favorite Discworld book. We, as readers, are finally allowed inside the mind of Vetinari and I love politics so this book is wonderful for me. Incedetially it insired me to get involved in international affairs.

worst is soul music. I have no problem with the characters, the plot is just thin compared to his other books.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby Brother Maynard » Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:35 pm UTC

Problem is, he overdoes the concept of living abstract concepts. After reading about the Summoning Dark, the force of Holywood, and the living letters in Going Postal, Soul Music was ruined for me.

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Re: Best and Worst Discworld

Postby aurumelectrum13 » Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:44 am UTC

I prefer the Witches (Tiffany too) and Death more than the Guards. I cannot stand Rincewind <shudder>. He's just so, ugh. Granny Weatherwax puts herself in the middle of things, and all Rincewind ever does is run away.

I like Moist von Lipwig. I can see how some people dislike them, because the Real World intrudes a little more forcibly, but economics is one of my subjects, and I get to see Veternari without dealing with the Night Watch. (Not that they aren't interesting, just not enough to make me want to read them.)

The stand-alones are pretty good, I think. My favorite of them is The Truth.

I think my overall favorite would have to be Hogfather or Lords and Ladies.

Equal Rites was pretty good (It was the first one I read) but Granny really needs the other witches to bounce off of. By herself, she's a little much.


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