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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:31 pm UTC

OK: it doesn't look Slavic, so Bulgarian, Macedonian and Church Slavonic are out.

The transliteration looks strange- it must not be a transcription of how it sounds.

While Albanian was occasionally written in Cyrillic (and some of it looks like Albanian), I don't think this is Albanian.

What else was written in Cyrillic? I don't think this is a Turkic language, and there does have to be Greek influence from somewhere.
EDIT:
The combination of Greek (plus some of the specific Greek words used) and Cyrillic makes me think Orthodox Christianity...

And here's another one for your amusement:

L'chen qui sème s'n allit s'mai ; Et tàndis qu' i s'maitt une partie d' la s'menche quitt le long du ch'mìnn et l's oesiaux du ciel vìndrint et i la màndgirent. Une aûtre quitt dans d's endréts roquieurs, où alle n'avait pas fort de terre; et ou l'vist ossivite, parçe que la terre où al' 'tait n'était pas ben avant. Mais l'solé se l'vitt et ou fut brulaie; et coumme ou n'avait pas d'rachinnes, ou s'quitt. Une aûtre quitt dans d's épinnes, et l's épinnes vìndrent à craitre, et l'etoupidrent. Une aûtre enfin quitt dans d'bouanne terre, et ou portit du fritt; quiq' grâins rèndirent chent pour un, d'aûtres sessànte, et d'aûtres trente. L'chen qu'a d's oureilles pour ouit qu' il ouêt.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:15 am UTC

Definitely something French-like without being French. Provençal?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:32 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Definitely something French-like without being French. Provençal?

Yes, and no.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Sir Novelty Fashion » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:52 am UTC

Alexius wrote:OK: it doesn't look Slavic, so Bulgarian, Macedonian and Church Slavonic are out.

The transliteration looks strange- it must not be a transcription of how it sounds.

While Albanian was occasionally written in Cyrillic (and some of it looks like Albanian), I don't think this is Albanian.

What else was written in Cyrillic? I don't think this is a Turkic language, and there does have to be Greek influence from somewhere.
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The combination of Greek (plus some of the specific Greek words used) and Cyrillic makes me think Orthodox Christianity...


It is Orthodox... of a sort. It's not Albanian, or Turkic, Slavic, Bulgarian, Macedonian or Church Slavonic. :)

It's transliteration does not show the difference between omikron and omega, eta and epsilon, I should point out.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:52 am UTC

Occitan?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:45 am UTC

Not Occitan either- you're all thinking too far South.

Sir Novelty Fashion: your last post confused me. If it's Cyrillic, then why would there be omicrons, omegas, etas or epsilons? Assuming the language is typically written in Cyrillic, if all your clues are correct it's a language which is neither Turkic nor Slavic yet uses the Cyrillic alphabet and is spoken by Orthodox Christians (of a sort, whatever that means). I actually can't think of any...

EDIT: unless it's Romani, but that's a total guess.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:10 pm UTC

Too far south makes me think of Breton but that's celtic and the sample you gave looks romance.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:42 pm UTC

Alexius wrote:Not Occitan either- you're all thinking too far South.

Sir Novelty Fashion: your last post confused me. If it's Cyrillic, then why would there be omicrons, omegas, etas or epsilons? Assuming the language is typically written in Cyrillic, if all your clues are correct it's a language which is neither Turkic nor Slavic yet uses the Cyrillic alphabet and is spoken by Orthodox Christians (of a sort, whatever that means). I actually can't think of any...

EDIT: unless it's Romani, but that's a total guess.

Romanian is occasionally written in Cyrillic (formerly in Moldova and currently in Transnistria), has many Greek loan words, and is a traditionally Orthodox region. But the text doesn't look Romance at all.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Sir Novelty Fashion » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:04 am UTC

Alexius wrote:Sir Novelty Fashion: your last post confused me. If it's Cyrillic, then why would there be omicrons, omegas, etas or epsilons? Assuming the language is typically written in Cyrillic, if all your clues are correct it's a language which is neither Turkic nor Slavic yet uses the Cyrillic alphabet and is spoken by Orthodox Christians (of a sort, whatever that means). I actually can't think of any...

Aaaagh. Not Cyrillic, sorry. Don't know why I said Cyrillic. I mean Greek. It's originally written in a system derived from Greek.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:59 am UTC

By my count, we're down to only two outstanding passages, right? In the interest of keeping it between 3 and 5, the arbitrary range I just decided I liked for this thread, here's another:
Ojtakinbil ilkoloetik syu’ va’k’in mu si’ch a’k’el tamu’k’ lekil i’ch-vaile, ja’ skoj k’u sjalil oy vinik ta sbaspejel balumile xa’beoj sjam i sigue xa’be hasta abile lekil i slekil tas kuxlejale, bujechuk spas skuxij sin xi’el i schu’uk stak’in i sbeel, bujechuk spas sk’opoj i spas xal i slok’es ta ye k’ute sk’an sch’une.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:57 am UTC

This thread is most excellent!
Alexius wrote:L'chen qui sème s'n allit s'mai ; Et tàndis qu' i s'maitt une partie d' la s'menche quitt le long du ch'mìnn et l's oesiaux du ciel vìndrint et i la màndgirent. Une aûtre quitt dans d's endréts roquieurs, où alle n'avait pas fort de terre; et ou l'vist ossivite, parçe que la terre où al' 'tait n'était pas ben avant. Mais l'solé se l'vitt et ou fut brulaie; et coumme ou n'avait pas d'rachinnes, ou s'quitt. Une aûtre quitt dans d's épinnes, et l's épinnes vìndrent à craitre, et l'etoupidrent. Une aûtre enfin quitt dans d'bouanne terre, et ou portit du fritt; quiq' grâins rèndirent chent pour un, d'aûtres sessànte, et d'aûtres trente. L'chen qu'a d's oureilles pour ouit qu' il ouêt.

Sercquiais?
Try this:
Ngkungur ile Godowe enggun winmir, wyirrewarre, ruwe. Tarno nunkeri ruwe, pek ellin ityan ruwe; maratulde ellin ityan ruwe. Yonguldye bahrekangk. Pangari Godald yelkulun itye bahrekangk.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:54 am UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:This thread is most excellent!
Alexius wrote:L'chen qui sème s'n allit s'mai ; Et tàndis qu' i s'maitt une partie d' la s'menche quitt le long du ch'mìnn et l's oesiaux du ciel vìndrint et i la màndgirent. Une aûtre quitt dans d's endréts roquieurs, où alle n'avait pas fort de terre; et ou l'vist ossivite, parçe que la terre où al' 'tait n'était pas ben avant. Mais l'solé se l'vitt et ou fut brulaie; et coumme ou n'avait pas d'rachinnes, ou s'quitt. Une aûtre quitt dans d's épinnes, et l's épinnes vìndrent à craitre, et l'etoupidrent. Une aûtre enfin quitt dans d'bouanne terre, et ou portit du fritt; quiq' grâins rèndirent chent pour un, d'aûtres sessànte, et d'aûtres trente. L'chen qu'a d's oureilles pour ouit qu' il ouêt.

Sercquiais?

Yes!
(I would have given it had someone guessed Norman or one of the other Channel Island languages, but that is actually Sercquiais)

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:59 am UTC

Sir Novelty Fashion wrote:
Alexius wrote:Sir Novelty Fashion: your last post confused me. If it's Cyrillic, then why would there be omicrons, omegas, etas or epsilons? Assuming the language is typically written in Cyrillic, if all your clues are correct it's a language which is neither Turkic nor Slavic yet uses the Cyrillic alphabet and is spoken by Orthodox Christians (of a sort, whatever that means). I actually can't think of any...

Aaaagh. Not Cyrillic, sorry. Don't know why I said Cyrillic. I mean Greek. It's originally written in a system derived from Greek.


Coptic, then, to go with the other two you posted?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:28 am UTC

I'm pretty sure you're right
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Sir Novelty Fashion » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:52 am UTC

It's Coptic. :D
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:52 pm UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Try this:
Ngkungur ile Godowe enggun winmir, wyirrewarre, ruwe. Tarno nunkeri ruwe, pek ellin ityan ruwe; maratulde ellin ityan ruwe. Yonguldye bahrekangk. Pangari Godald yelkulun itye bahrekangk.


Australian, but I can't be more specific.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:09 pm UTC

Yeah, that definitely looks like one of the many Australian languages, and I would even go so far as to guess it's from the area where TMT lives. Would Wikipedia-ing that be acceptable, so long as I don't search for the actual passage of text?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Wed Mar 06, 2013 3:48 pm UTC

Here's one. This is a romanization:

al'la'ufedhey qaanoonu asaaseege himaayaïlibigen siyaaseepaateetha' hingeynegoïtha' hamajehifaïneïnama e'qaanoonuge misaalakee alifaanroavej'jenama salaamaïvaane sidie'neï ethake'bureege imaaraathe'ge misaaleve.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:08 pm UTC

goofy wrote:Here's one. This is a romanization:

al'la'ufedhey qaanoonu asaaseege himaayaïlibigen siyaaseepaateetha' hingeynegoïtha' hamajehifaïneïnama e'qaanoonuge misaalakee alifaanroavej'jenama salaamaïvaane sidie'neï ethake'bureege imaaraathe'ge misaaleve.

Hmm- it looks like Somali to me, especially with things that seem to be Arabic loanwords. But Somali is already written in Roman letters...

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:19 pm UTC

Alexius wrote:
goofy wrote:Here's one. This is a romanization:

al'la'ufedhey qaanoonu asaaseege himaayaïlibigen siyaaseepaateetha' hingeynegoïtha' hamajehifaïneïnama e'qaanoonuge misaalakee alifaanroavej'jenama salaamaïvaane sidie'neï ethake'bureege imaaraathe'ge misaaleve.

Hmm- it looks like Somali to me, especially with things that seem to be Arabic loanwords. But Somali is already written in Roman letters...


No it's not Somali, but that quote has some Arabic loans.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:56 pm UTC

Hint: it's Indo-European

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:36 pm UTC

Here, as far as I can tell, are the currently outstanding passages:

gmalivuk wrote:Ojtakinbil ilkoloetik syu’ va’k’in mu si’ch a’k’el tamu’k’ lekil i’ch-vaile, ja’ skoj k’u sjalil oy vinik ta sbaspejel balumile xa’beoj sjam i sigue xa’be hasta abile lekil i slekil tas kuxlejale, bujechuk spas skuxij sin xi’el i schu’uk stak’in i sbeel, bujechuk spas sk’opoj i spas xal i slok’es ta ye k’ute sk’an sch’une.
The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Ngkungur ile Godowe enggun winmir, wyirrewarre, ruwe. Tarno nunkeri ruwe, pek ellin ityan ruwe; maratulde ellin ityan ruwe. Yonguldye bahrekangk. Pangari Godald yelkulun itye bahrekangk.
Guess is Australian of some sort, nothing more specific than that.
goofy wrote:al'la'ufedhey qaanoonu asaaseege himaayaïlibigen siyaaseepaateetha' hingeynegoïtha' hamajehifaïneïnama e'qaanoonuge misaalakee alifaanroavej'jenama salaamaïvaane sidie'neï ethake'bureege imaaraathe'ge misaaleve.
Romanization of an Indo-European language with Arabic loan words, but not Somali.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:54 pm UTC

Thinking about Indo-European languages with arabic loan words: Persia/Farsi (and other Iranian languages) probably have a lot, also Urdu/Hindi. Other Indian langauges probably have some, and Spanish and Portuguese have a few, but those two can easily be ruled out (and already use the Latin alphabet).

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:39 am UTC

gmalivuk wrote:Here, as far as I can tell, are the currently outstanding passages:

gmalivuk wrote:Ojtakinbil ilkoloetik syu’ va’k’in mu si’ch a’k’el tamu’k’ lekil i’ch-vaile, ja’ skoj k’u sjalil oy vinik ta sbaspejel balumile xa’beoj sjam i sigue xa’be hasta abile lekil i slekil tas kuxlejale, bujechuk spas skuxij sin xi’el i schu’uk stak’in i sbeel, bujechuk spas sk’opoj i spas xal i slok’es ta ye k’ute sk’an sch’une.


That looks like Mayan to me.

And posting another:
fuit assault per prisoner la condemne pur felony que puis son condemnation ject un Brickbat a le dit Justice que narrowly mist, & pur ceo immediately fuit Indictment drawn per Noy envers le Prisoner, & son dexter manus ampute & fix al Gibbet, sur que luy mesme immediatement hange in presence de Court

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:18 pm UTC

Alexius wrote:And posting another:
fuit assault per prisoner la condemne pur felony que puis son condemnation ject un Brickbat a le dit Justice que narrowly mist, & pur ceo immediately fuit Indictment drawn per Noy envers le Prisoner, & son dexter manus ampute & fix al Gibbet, sur que luy mesme immediatement hange in presence de Court


Looks like French with lots of English loans. Because of this, I'd probably have guessed one of the channel island's languages (particularly Guernésiais) but we had one of those not too long ago. Maybe Louisianna French?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:27 pm UTC

It is an Australian language from my neck of the woods (more or less). Should I wait for something more specific or just reveal?
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Radical_Initiator » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:19 pm UTC

Alexius wrote:And posting another:
fuit assault per prisoner la condemne pur felony que puis son condemnation ject un Brickbat a le dit Justice que narrowly mist, & pur ceo immediately fuit Indictment drawn per Noy envers le Prisoner, & son dexter manus ampute & fix al Gibbet, sur que luy mesme immediatement hange in presence de Court

Wasn't there a version of French or some older French form that was used in legal documents? "Brickbat" doesn't seem to fit, though.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby eSOANEM » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:05 pm UTC

Anglo-Norman and then Anglo-French were used in that sort of context for most of early post-norman English history but I'd be surprised if it was one of those because the French bits look quite modern.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:17 pm UTC

You're all pretty close- it is Law French (which is a form of Anglo-Norman), from near the very end of its use, when it was only used for case reports and had become something close to Franglais. This particular example is from 1688.

And TMT, please do say, I doubt that many people on here can tell Australian languages apart.

For Goofy's Indo-European language, I don't think it is Farsi. It is probably Indo-Iranian though as:
Arabic loans mean not an extinct language
It really doesn't look Hellenic, Romance, Celtic, Germanic or Slavic
Albanian is already written in Roman letters

So either an Indian language or maybe something close to Farsi but different. The only reason why I think it's not Farsi is the romanisation, though.

Another challenge:
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:30 pm UTC

Alexius wrote:For Goofy's Indo-European language, I don't think it is Farsi. It is probably Indo-Iranian though as:


It is Indo-Iranian, but it's not Persian/Farsi.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:39 pm UTC

Kurdish?

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:55 pm UTC

Derek wrote:Kurdish?


No. You're in the wrong area. Chromatos might have an idea.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby raike » Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:00 pm UTC

goofy wrote:
Derek wrote:Kurdish?


No. You're in the wrong area. Chromatos might have an idea.


Maldivian? It sort of reminds me of Sinhalese (well, not entirely, but it has a sort of Dravidian feel to it), but it looks to have a lot of Arabic loans in it, so I'd guess it's whatever's spoken in the Maldives.
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Carlington » Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:31 pm UTC

TMT: Awabakal?
Kewangji: Posdy zwei tosdy osdy oady. Bork bork bork, hoppity syphilis bork.

Eebster the Great: What specifically is moving faster than light in these examples?
doogly: Hands waving furiously.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby goofy » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:17 am UTC

raike wrote:
goofy wrote:
Derek wrote:Kurdish?


No. You're in the wrong area. Chromatos might have an idea.


Maldivian? It sort of reminds me of Sinhalese (well, not entirely, but it has a sort of Dravidian feel to it), but it looks to have a lot of Arabic loans in it, so I'd guess it's whatever's spoken in the Maldives.


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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:50 am UTC

Carlington wrote:TMT: Awabakal?

Too far east. It was Ngarrindjeri
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:42 am UTC

A couple have been solved, so I'll add a new one. This is going to be way too easy for you guys, but it's the best I can do >_<

Hjir bin ik, wer bisto
It is al lang lyn
Do bist net oars dan leaf
Want do dochst gewoan neat ferkeard
Ik hold fan dy, sa asto bist
Datst dat dan wol efkes witst
Ik sjoch dy, ik hear dy
Ik fiel dy, eltse kear opnij

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby The Mighty Thesaurus » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:13 am UTC

Seems super Dutch to me. Oh, is it a Frisian language?

What's the policy on conlangs?
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Alexius
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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Alexius » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:41 pm UTC

The Mighty Thesaurus wrote:Seems super Dutch to me. Oh, is it a Frisian language?

What's the policy on conlangs?

Conlangs are OK as long as they're reasonably well-known ones. And I agree with you, that looks like Frisian.

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Re: Obscure Language Game

Postby Derek » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:36 pm UTC

Frisian is correct.


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