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Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:49 am UTC
by Alexius
goofy wrote:
Alexius wrote:Could the first one be Chechen?


Why do you say that?

Cyrillic plus ejectives means it's probably from that sort of area?
goofy wrote:
Alexius wrote:For the mystery scrit- the script looks like Devanagari, but is neither Devanagari nor Gurmukhi. The background suggests it has something to do with Buddhism- Pali?


Pali is not a script. It is a Brahmi-derived script, but it is one of the lesser-known ones. It is used in India apparently.

The second one is not Italic, but it was spoken in an area that now speaks Italic languages.

I was guessing Pali as the language- I didn't think it was always written in Devanagari, and the background made me think it was some sort of Buddhist religious text.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:09 pm UTC
by goofy
Alexius wrote:Cyrillic plus ejectives means it's probably from that sort of area?

Fair enough. it's a Caucasian language.

Alexius wrote:I was guessing Pali as the language- I didn't think it was always written in Devanagari, and the background made me think it was some sort of Buddhist religious text.


It's not Pali, it's a modern language. It's not Indo-European, it that helps.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:42 am UTC
by steewi
goofy wrote:
Тхьэм къыгъэкӀуагъэу, зы лӀы горэ дунаем къытехьагъ. Ащ ыцӀагъэр Иуан ары. Щыф пстэуми а нэфынэмкӀэ шӀошъхъуныгъэ яӀэ хъунм пае, Иуан нэфынэм шыхьат фэхъунэу шыхьатэу къэкӀуагъ.


tiricantam bercunetacam tocoitoscue sarniciocue sua combalcez nelitom necue to uertaunei litom necue taunei litom necue masnai tizaunei litom soz aucu arestalo tamai uta oscuez stena uerzoniti silabur sleitom conscilitom cabizeti


and a mystery script!

The first one would have to be Abkhaz (AKA Apsny)

The next one, my first guess would have been Oscan, so I'll go to my next one and say Umbrian.

And the third one is Brahmic, not far from India, maybe an odd way to write Nepali?

Here's a challenge:
Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê

It's a transliteration of a language that isn't usually written (the people who speak it usually write in a different language). You can write it with a different script, but it's not common, these days.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:50 am UTC
by Iulus Cofield
goofy wrote:The second one is not Italic, but it was spoken in an area that now speaks Italic languages.


Dalmatian?

steewi wrote:Here's a challenge:
Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê

It's a transliteration of a language that isn't usually written (the people who speak it usually write in a different language). You can write it with a different script, but it's not common, these days.


Komi?

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:51 pm UTC
by goofy
steewi wrote:The first one would have to be Abkhaz (AKA Apsny)


Very close. It's Adyghe.

steewi wrote:The next one, my first guess would have been Oscan, so I'll go to my next one and say Umbrian.


It's not Italic.

steewi wrote:And the third one is Brahmic, not far from India, maybe an odd way to write Nepali?


It's a Brahmi script, but it's not an Indo-European language. This script is used to write only this one language.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:43 pm UTC
by eSOANEM
goofy wrote:
steewi wrote:And the third one is Brahmic, not far from India, maybe an odd way to write Nepali?


It's a Brahmi script, but it's not an Indo-European language. This script is used to write only this one language.


That makes me think it's a dravidian language the only one of which I know off the top of my head (which also IIRC has its own script) is Kannada.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:50 pm UTC
by goofy
eSOANEM wrote:That makes me think it's a dravidian language the only one of which I know off the top of my head (which also IIRC has its own script) is Kannada.


It's not Dravidian either.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:49 am UTC
by steewi
goofy wrote:
steewi wrote:The first one would have to be Abkhaz (AKA Apsny)


Very close. It's Adyghe.

steewi wrote:The next one, my first guess would have been Oscan, so I'll go to my next one and say Umbrian.


It's not Italic.


Then it must be Etruscan.

steewi wrote:And the third one is Brahmic, not far from India, maybe an odd way to write Nepali?


It's a Brahmi script, but it's not an Indo-European language. This script is used to write only this one language.

The words seem too long to be something Tai-kadai. Perhaps Burmanic? Using the cultural cues from the statues, it's in the Thai-Burma area. We've had Tai-Dam, what about Tai-Lue? (Now I'm too curious, and I'll have to Omniglot it.

EDIT: Ooooooh, that's what it is. I should have known. *buttkicks self*
Iulus Cofield wrote:
steewi wrote:Here's a challenge:
Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê

It's a transliteration of a language that isn't usually written (the people who speak it usually write in a different language). You can write it with a different script, but it's not common, these days.


Komi?

Nope. Clue: The letter q is a glottal stop, and the other script is not alphabetic.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:56 am UTC
by gmalivuk
steewi wrote:Then it must be Etruscan.
Aren't you still talking about the one goofy said was IE?

Iulus Cofield wrote:
steewi wrote:Here's a challenge:
Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê

It's a transliteration of a language that isn't usually written (the people who speak it usually write in a different language). You can write it with a different script, but it's not common, these days.


Komi?

Nope. Clue: The letter q is a glottal stop, and the other script is not alphabetic.
Cherokee?

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:32 am UTC
by Derek
gmalivuk wrote:Cherokee?

Cherokee is very well written, actually, so I don't think so.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 4:54 am UTC
by Iulus Cofield
The only languages I'm familiar with that use glottal stops like that are the Salish languages, but I'm pretty sure they use ? instead of q.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:37 am UTC
by steewi
gmalivuk wrote:
steewi wrote:Then it must be Etruscan.
Aren't you still talking about the one goofy said was IE?
He said it was IE? Dammit. Must go back and check more frequently.

I just cheated, because I knew I'd seen the text somewhere before. And now I feel like an idiot again. I had seen that particular text before, and I should have remembered. There were enough clues if I'd stopped to think about it some more.

Derek wrote:
gmalivuk wrote:Cherokee?

Cherokee is very well written, actually, so I don't think so.

True, it's not Cherokee, and it's not Salishan either. Wrong continent. Try the other side of the Pacific.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:21 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
Ainu?

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:30 pm UTC
by goofy
steewi wrote:
Then it must be Etruscan.

No, it's Indo-European. There are only about one hundred twenty extant inscriptions.

steewi wrote:The words seem too long to be something Tai-kadai. Perhaps Burmanic? Using the cultural cues from the statues, it be in the Thai-Burma area. We've have-did Tai-Dam, hwæt about Tai-Lue? (Now I be too curious, and I'll have to Omniglot it.

EDIT: Ooooooh, that be hwæt it be. I should have known. *buttkicks self*

The language is Tibeto-Burman, and it is the official language of an Indian state.

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:44 pm UTC
by steewi
gmalivuk wrote:Ainu?

Nope - a much bigger family. You may think of it as a dialect (and if that ain't a clue, I don't know what is).

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:37 am UTC
by goofy
steewi wrote:Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê


It does look Sinitic in that it seems to be restricted in its initials and finals (but I don't know what "gn" is). But I know nothing about Sinitic.

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 3:32 am UTC
by Dark Avorian
gmalivuk wrote:Ainu?


Although I do like to follow this, I think it shows my ineptitude when my immediate thought is "Wait, the god-beings of middle earth have a language too? Tolkien..."

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 7:27 am UTC
by steewi
goofy wrote:
steewi wrote:Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê


It doth look Sinitic in that it seems to be restricted in its initials and finals (but I ken not hwæt "gn" be). But I ken nothing about Sinitic.

Now we're talking. Yes, it's Sinitic.

Re: Obscure wordy-writey-meaning-conveying-wibbly-wobbly stu

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:31 pm UTC
by goofy
goofy wrote:Тхьэм къыгъэкӀуагъэу, зы лӀы горэ дунаем къытехьагъ. Ащ ыцӀагъэр Иуан ары. Щыф пстэуми а нэфынэмкӀэ шӀошъхъуныгъэ яӀэ хъунм пае, Иуан нэфынэм шыхьат фэхъунэу шыхьатэу къэкӀуагъ.


Adyghe

goofy wrote:tiricantam bercunetacam tocoitoscue sarniciocue sua combalcez nelitom necue to uertaunei litom necue taunei litom necue masnai tizaunei litom soz aucu arestalo tamai uta oscuez stena uerzoniti silabur sleitom conscilitom cabizeti


Celtiberian



Meetei-Mayek (Manipuri)

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:10 pm UTC
by Alexius
Adding another challenge:
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.


And no-one has even tried to guess:
Dia nifampiresaka izy ireo hoe: “Andao isika hanao biriky ka handoro izany ao anaty lafaoro.” Koa biriky no nataony solom-bato, ary godorao no nataony solon-drihitra. Ary hoy izy ireo: “Andao isika hanorina tanàna sy hanangana tilikambo izay mahatakatra ny lanitra ny tampony. Ary andao hataontsika izay hampahalaza ny anarantsika, sao hiparitaka manerana ny tany isika.”

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:16 pm UTC
by Iulus Cofield
Alexius wrote:Adding another challenge:
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.


Well, it's obviously a creole or pidgin from English and another language. Maybe something from SE Asia or Oceania?

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:26 pm UTC
by Alexius
Iulus Cofield wrote:
Alexius wrote:Adding another challenge:
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.


Well, it's obviously a creole or pidgin from English and another language. Maybe something from SE Asia or Oceania?

Nope, not a creole/pidgin (though it may have English influences) and definitely not from that part of the world.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:28 pm UTC
by Iulus Cofield
Oh, then it must be another Germanic language. I'm guessing Frisian.

Hey, did you edit that quote? I could have sworn when I first looked at it the first chimeri was capitalized and there was another bit at the end.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:50 pm UTC
by Alexius
Iulus Cofield wrote:Oh, then it must be another Germanic language. I'm guessing Frisian.

Hey, did you edit that quote? I could have sworn when I first looked at it the first chimeri was capitalized and there was another bit at the end.

Sorry- yes, it was edited. Pre-editing, it was the same text plus an extra bit at the end, but with different orthography and some minor dialect differences. I liked this version better.

Sblock gives the identity of the text to explain what the extra bit was:
Spoiler:
It's the Lord's Prayer, but the pre-edit version had the doxology ("for Thine is the Kingdom, etc.") and the post-edit version doesn't.


And no, it's not Frisian (haven't we already had Frisian?), but it is a Germanic language.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:27 am UTC
by gmalivuk
Alexius wrote:Adding another challenge:
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.
I think it's safe to say without a spoiler that it's the Lord's Prayer, since that was clear to me upon first reading it and I suspect to Iulus as well, given the certainty with which he made his first guess. I can pick out some things about the grammar and vocabulary by knowing what text it is, but none of that helps me in the least with guessing the language.

And no-one has even tried to guess:
Dia nifampiresaka izy ireo hoe: “Andao isika hanao biriky ka handoro izany ao anaty lafaoro.” Koa biriky no nataony solom-bato, ary godorao no nataony solon-drihitra. Ary hoy izy ireo: “Andao isika hanorina tanàna sy hanangana tilikambo izay mahatakatra ny lanitra ny tampony. Ary andao hataontsika izay hampahalaza ny anarantsika, sao hiparitaka manerana ny tany isika.”
This struck me as looking like some kind of combination between Portuguese and Japanese, but that's mostly from a few individual words here and there. Some of the other stuff has a Polynesian feel, like "ireo hoe".

Of course, all three of those impressions come primarily from how I'm pronouncing the words, which may or may not bear any particular relation to how they're actually pronounced in that language.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:32 am UTC
by skullturf
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.


If this is Germanic but not Frisian, I'll somewhat randomly guess another language from around that part of the world:

Spoiler:
Is it Faroese? Is Faroese even a language? (And if so, is it related to Icelandic?) I'm deliberately not looking anything up.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:42 am UTC
by goofy
skullturf wrote:
Fa vor i ir i chimeri; helleut ir i nam thite. Gilla cosdum thite cumma. Veya thine mota vara gort o yurn sinna gort i chimeri. Gav vus da on da dalight brow vora. Firgive vus sinna vora sin vee firgive sindara mutha vus. Lyv vus ye i temtation, min delivra vus fro olt ilt.


If it was Faroese I'd expect ð and ø. I'll guess Gutnish.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:27 am UTC
by Alexius
The Germanic one is neither Faroese nor Gutnish, though it is Scandinavian.

The other language has nothing to do with Portuguese or Japanese, and is not Polynesian, though it is Austronesian.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:12 pm UTC
by goofy
Alexius wrote:The Germanic one is neither Faroese nor Gutnish, though it is Scandinavian.


Well that narrows it down. Norn.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:39 pm UTC
by Alexius
goofy wrote:
Alexius wrote:The Germanic one is neither Faroese nor Gutnish, though it is Scandinavian.


Well that narrows it down. Norn.

Yes, it's Norn.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:52 pm UTC
by goofy
It's interesting looking. I see it's Orkney Norn, which spells its interdentals as th. Some interdentals have changed to /v/, as in favor "father".

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:28 am UTC
by steewi
The other one looks like Malagasy to me.
Alexius wrote:Dia nifampiresaka izy ireo hoe: “Andao isika hanao biriky ka handoro izany ao anaty lafaoro.” Koa biriky no nataony solom-bato, ary godorao no nataony solon-drihitra. Ary hoy izy ireo: “Andao isika hanorina tanàna sy hanangana tilikambo izay mahatakatra ny lanitra ny tampony. Ary andao hataontsika izay hampahalaza ny anarantsika, sao hiparitaka manerana ny tany isika.”

The giveaway would be the y-as-a-vowel and CVCV constructions with longish words.

steewi wrote:
goofy wrote:
steewi wrote:Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê


It doth look Sinitic in that it seems to be restricted in its initials and finals (but I ken not hwæt "gn" be). But I ken nothing about Sinitic.

Now we're talking. Yes, it's Sinitic.

Any further advances?

Nah, here's the answer in a spoiler:
Spoiler:
It's Shanghainese. You can write it in Chinese characters, but these days very few, if any people, do. There are a few older texts in the very-closely related Suzhounese from the 19th century all in characters, and some missionaries made a bopomofo-type character set for Suzhou as well.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:20 am UTC
by Alexius
steewi wrote:The other one looks like Malagasy to me.
Alexius wrote:Dia nifampiresaka izy ireo hoe: “Andao isika hanao biriky ka handoro izany ao anaty lafaoro.” Koa biriky no nataony solom-bato, ary godorao no nataony solon-drihitra. Ary hoy izy ireo: “Andao isika hanorina tanàna sy hanangana tilikambo izay mahatakatra ny lanitra ny tampony. Ary andao hataontsika izay hampahalaza ny anarantsika, sao hiparitaka manerana ny tany isika.”

The giveaway would be the y-as-a-vowel and CVCV constructions with longish words.


Yes, it's Malagasy.

I think we might be out of challenges, so here's a couple more:
Tuots umans naschan libers ed eguals in dignità e drets. Els sun dotats cun intellet e conscienza e dessan agir tanter per in uin spiert da fraternità


at fravaxshyâ nû gûshôdûm nû sraotâ ýaêcâ asnât ýaêcâ dûrât ishathâ nû îm vîspâ cithrê zî mazdånghô-dûm nôit daibitîm dush-sastish ahûm merãshyât akâ varanâ dregvå hizvå âveretô

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:33 pm UTC
by goofy
steewi wrote:
steewi wrote:
goofy wrote:
steewi wrote:Sûyoe req gnin saentseqle dze zy dzŷyoe req, leleq tzengni theq djeuli laonxiaen dze iqliq bintên. Yîla zy fûyoeleq lîsîn theq liaensin req, bin inke î donpo req tzinzen wûsiaen têdê


It doth look Sinitic in that it seems to be restricted in its initials and finals (but I ken not hwæt "gn" be). But I ken nothing about Sinitic.

Now we're talking. Yes, it's Sinitic.

Any further advances?

Nah, here's the answer in a spoiler:
Spoiler:
It's Shanghainese. You can write it in Chinese characters, but these days very few, if any people, do. There are a few older texts in the very-closely related Suzhounese from the 19th century all in characters, and some missionaries made a bopomofo-type character set for Suzhou as well.


And here's my question:
Spoiler:
So what does "gn" represent?

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:34 pm UTC
by eSOANEM
I'd guess [ɲ] following its representation in French and Italian.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:43 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
Tuots umans naschan libers ed eguals in dignità e drets. Els sun dotats cun intellet e conscienza e dessan agir tanter per in uin spiert da fraternità
Romance language UDHR, obviously. Looks like Italian orthography.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:40 pm UTC
by eSOANEM
A couple of the words look like they might have some german influence (in spelling mainly, the sch for instance). Makes me think it' something Swiss. Swiss Italian's probably not obscure enough (and probably too close to Italian). How about Romansh?

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:16 pm UTC
by gmalivuk
Yeah, it looks like that is indeed the correct answer, though interestingly the spellings at the OHCHR site are different from the ones in that bit, which appears to be from Omniglot.

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 8:45 pm UTC
by Alexius
Yes, that's Romansh. Possibly the different versions are different dialects- there are several, as can be seen from the numerous ways of spelling the name of the language!

Re: Obscure Language Game

Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:11 am UTC
by Sir Novelty Fashion
ebẽñnẽ prñnawu mẽn. e prñnawatẽ hanadaza hrppi ladi ehbi setideime.