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What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Mega85 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:47 pm UTC

http://www.truespel.com/tutorial/

http://fanetik.tripod.com/

Spelling reforms for English.

Truespel respells "-ang" words as "-aeng" and "-ing" words as "-eeng". "sang" becomes "saeng", "sing" becomes "seeng".

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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Lazar » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:08 pm UTC

I'd favor a few incremental changes to mitigate some of the worst excesses of English spelling, but I'm not a fan of wholesale re-engineering. A phonemic standard would necessarily be based on one major dialect and would thus alienate many others; a more egalitarian approach would have to be diaphonemic, preserving a broad range of distinctions while ignoring some of the more recent innovations, and a cleaned-up version of our current spelling would basically be that.

If we're only aiming for a pronunciation guide for (American) teaching use, as appears to be the case with Truespel – again, I think this would be counterproductive because it would keep Americans alienated from IPA, which is the closest thing we have to a universal standard for transcribing speech. A broad phonemic or diaphonemic IPA transcription would be far better.
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby commodorejohn » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:28 pm UTC

I think they're destined for the same fate as every other proposed spelling reform in the history of the language, which is to be completely ignored and vanish into the mists of time because nobody uses them.
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby eSOANEM » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:57 pm UTC

Also, what on earth is up with spelling "sing" "seeng"? <ee> almost always represents /i:/ but the <i> in sing is /ɪ/ in pretty much every dialect I know (I'd have thought even in pin-pen merging ones).
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby gmalivuk » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:03 am UTC

I think there's a separate (from merging pin-pen) phenomenon where /ɪ/ is raised before /ŋ/.

(Though I think the -ing morpheme is generally pronounced with /i/.)
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Lazar » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:19 am UTC

I have unraised [ɪŋ] both in words like "king", and in the "-ing" morpheme. But yeah, it is common through much of North America to raise these to [iŋ]. Some speakers even go one step further and change the "-ing" morpheme to [in], so that "going", for example, sounds like "goeen".
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Derek » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:08 am UTC

eSOANEM wrote:Also, what on earth is up with spelling "sing" "seeng"? <ee> almost always represents /i:/ but the <i> in sing is /ɪ/ in pretty much every dialect I know (I'd have thought even in pin-pen merging ones).

We were discussing this recently in the pronunciation thread.

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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby measure » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:41 pm UTC

Mega85 wrote:Truespel respells "-ing" words as "-eeng"... "sing" becomes "seeng".

How would one spell the present participle of "see"? "Seeeeng"?!

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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Xanthir » Tue Jun 28, 2016 12:38 am UTC

That's no more awkward than "someone who sees" being spelled "seeer". (That is to say, super awkward.)
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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Mega85 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:49 am UTC

measure wrote:
Mega85 wrote:Truespel respells "-ing" words as "-eeng"... "sing" becomes "seeng".

How would one spell the present participle of "see"? "Seeeeng"?!


"seeing" in Truespel comes out as "seeyeeng". "seer" in Truespel is "seeyer".

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Re: What do you think about Truespel and Fanetik?

Postby Aiwendil » Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:49 pm UTC

Lazar wrote:But yeah, it is common through much of North America to raise these to [iŋ]. Some speakers even go one step further and change the "-ing" morpheme to [in], so that "going", for example, sounds like "goeen".


Wow, I was genuinely shocked by this, as I've never noticed such a thing. But then I realized that in the word "reading" I do tend to raise the final vowel slightly. Strangely, I can't think of any other words where I do this, nor where I've noticed people doing it (not even seemingly analogous words like "breeding" or "feeding").


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