IPA joke

For the discussion of language mechanics, grammar, vocabulary, trends, and other such linguistic topics, in english and other languages.

Moderators: gmalivuk, Moderators General, Prelates

User avatar
Monika
Welcoming Aarvark
Posts: 3670
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:03 am UTC
Location: Germany, near Heidelberg
Contact:

IPA joke

Postby Monika » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:33 pm UTC

Image
#xkcd-q on irc.foonetic.net - the LGBTIQQA support channel
Please donate to help these people

User avatar
eSOANEM
:D
Posts: 3652
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:39 pm UTC
Location: Grantabrycge

Re: IPA joke

Postby eSOANEM » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:45 pm UTC

On fb I, and a few others, were trying to work out where the bartender's from seeing as he apparently speaks a non-rhotic variety with canadian raising.

Wikipedia tells me that there are small isolated areas in southwestern New Brunswick, parts of Newfoundland, and the Lunenburg English variety spoken in Lunenburg and Shelburne Counties, Nova Scotia, with non-rhotic varieties in Canada. Apparently most North American varieties raise /ai/ though even those outside Canada and there are places in New-England which are both non-rhotic and have Canadian raising.

So I guess probably from New England?
my pronouns are they

Magnanimous wrote:(fuck the macrons)

User avatar
Monika
Welcoming Aarvark
Posts: 3670
Joined: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:03 am UTC
Location: Germany, near Heidelberg
Contact:

Re: IPA joke

Postby Monika » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:06 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:On fb I, and a few others, were trying to work out where the bartender's from seeing as he apparently speaks a non-rhotic variety with canadian raising.

Wikipedia tells me that there are small isolated areas in southwestern New Brunswick, parts of Newfoundland, and the Lunenburg English variety spoken in Lunenburg and Shelburne Counties, Nova Scotia, with non-rhotic varieties in Canada. Apparently most North American varieties raise /ai/ though even those outside Canada and there are places in New-England which are both non-rhotic and have Canadian raising.

So I guess probably from New England?

:lol:
#xkcd-q on irc.foonetic.net - the LGBTIQQA support channel
Please donate to help these people

User avatar
mathmannix
Posts: 1444
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:12 pm UTC
Location: Washington, DC

Re: IPA joke

Postby mathmannix » Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:32 pm UTC

beer.png

ftfy.
I hear velociraptor tastes like chicken.

User avatar
gmalivuk
GNU Terry Pratchett
Posts: 26680
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:02 pm UTC
Location: Here and There
Contact:

Re: IPA joke

Postby gmalivuk » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:15 pm UTC

Who pronounces "beer" like that?
Unless stated otherwise, I do not care whether a statement, by itself, constitutes a persuasive political argument. I care whether it's true.
---
If this post has math that doesn't work for you, use TeX the World for Firefox or Chrome

(he/him/his)

User avatar
Eebster the Great
Posts: 3367
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:58 am UTC
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: IPA joke

Postby Eebster the Great » Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:19 am UTC

Yeah, "beer" is a diphthong for me for sure. Probably for everyone?

User avatar
gmalivuk
GNU Terry Pratchett
Posts: 26680
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:02 pm UTC
Location: Here and There
Contact:

Re: IPA joke

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:06 pm UTC

I was more commenting on the /ɪ/, which I don't think I've heard from anyone who pronounces the /ɹ/ (or other transcription of that rhotic sound).
Unless stated otherwise, I do not care whether a statement, by itself, constitutes a persuasive political argument. I care whether it's true.
---
If this post has math that doesn't work for you, use TeX the World for Firefox or Chrome

(he/him/his)

User avatar
mathmannix
Posts: 1444
Joined: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:12 pm UTC
Location: Washington, DC

Re: IPA joke

Postby mathmannix » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:50 pm UTC

OK, I don't really understand IPA very well. I admit that.

I looked up "beer" on wiktionary and found this:
Pronunciation
• IPA(key): /bɪə(ɹ)/
• (UK) IPA(key): /bɪə/
• (US) IPA(key): /bɪɹ/
• (near–square merger) IPA(key): /bɛə/
• Rhymes: -ɪə(r)
• Homophone: bier

So that's where I got bɪɹ. It says on
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:English_pronunciation
that ɪɹ is like "mirror" and "Sirius", and that seems to me like how I pronounce beer. (I don't pronounce mirror as two syllables (I guess it could be pronounced with two syllables like dearer?); to me it is a homohone of mere, or Mir.)

However, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English
shows that the sound in "mirror" and "Sirius" is ɪr. So I don't know whether the r-like symbol should be upside-down or not...
I hear velociraptor tastes like chicken.

User avatar
gmalivuk
GNU Terry Pratchett
Posts: 26680
Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:02 pm UTC
Location: Here and There
Contact:

Re: IPA joke

Postby gmalivuk » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:31 pm UTC

Strange.

The 'r' does have a big effect on preceding vowel sounds (even for those of us who still pronounce the 'r' itself), but I'd definitely say that if I stop before getting to the rhotic sound, it sounds like "bee" (with /i/), and if I tap or trill the 'r' as though I had a Spanish accent, it sounds a lot closer to "bead" than to "bid".
Unless stated otherwise, I do not care whether a statement, by itself, constitutes a persuasive political argument. I care whether it's true.
---
If this post has math that doesn't work for you, use TeX the World for Firefox or Chrome

(he/him/his)

User avatar
Pfhorrest
Posts: 5314
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:11 am UTC
Contact:

Re: IPA joke

Postby Pfhorrest » Thu Jan 31, 2019 12:38 am UTC

I agree that beer = bee + r, but also I use that same vowel in "Sirius" and the first syllable of "mirror".

I'm not sure I can even manage to articular that short i as in "bid" followed by an r sound, it just makes the i "ee" again. Or else it disappears and only the r sound is left, like in "sir" (which is not a homophone for "seer" / "sear"). If there were a Sir Ius of Dogstarshire, I would not pronounce that like Sirius the Dog Star.
Forrest Cameranesi, Geek of All Trades
"I am Sam. Sam I am. I do not like trolls, flames, or spam."
The Codex Quaerendae (my philosophy) - The Chronicles of Quelouva (my fiction)

User avatar
Eebster the Great
Posts: 3367
Joined: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:58 am UTC
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: IPA joke

Postby Eebster the Great » Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:17 am UTC

mathmannix wrote:OK, I don't really understand IPA very well. I admit that.

I looked up "beer" on wiktionary and found this:
Pronunciation
• IPA(key): /bɪə(ɹ)/
• (UK) IPA(key): /bɪə/
• (US) IPA(key): /bɪɹ/
• (near–square merger) IPA(key): /bɛə/
• Rhymes: -ɪə(r)
• Homophone: bier


That seems wrong to me. It even gives the rhyme as "-ɪə(r)", which looks right, but then leaves the schwa out of the US pronunciation guide.

However, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/English
shows that the sound in "mirror" and "Sirius" is ɪr. So I don't know whether the r-like symbol should be upside-down or not...


Strictly speaking, it should be upside-down, because [r] represents a trill. Actually, in the American guide, it should probably be represented as r-coloration on the preceding vowel, so [biɚ] or [bɪɚ], rhyming with "mere" and "fear." I think the ɹ in the US pronunciation guide is representing something like ɚ. In practice, the letter "r" is commonly used in IPA for English pronunciations even though it is not strictly correct.

As for why it gives ɪ in "beer" and not i, I'm not sure. I have a hard time judging components of more complicated vowel sounds like the diphthong at the end of "beer." To me, it sounds like [biɚ], while "be-er" (one who is) would be [bi:.ɚ], but I'm pretty shaky in that whole thing. I would use the same vowel in "mirrior" or "Sirius" as I would in "beer," but I have also heard "mirror" pronounced distinctly differently, with a true ɪɹ sound. The difference in tensing is quite audible.


Return to “Language/Linguistics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests