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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby eSOANEM » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:31 pm UTC

Monika wrote:I think changing from "given name(s)" (British English) to "first name" and "middle name" (American English) was a cunning ploy to limit imigrants from countries with typically four (or three or five+) given names to two.


I'm British and I rarely here "given name" although I wouldn't think it odd. Having three given names, I just describe the last two as being my "middle names" which doesn't cause too much confusion.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:17 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:You missed out given names that come after the surname

Yeah, a first name after the last name and a middle name in the end (Chinese, also Japanese if I am not mistaken, probably other Asian countries) are even more confusing ^^.

inherited titles

Not names though.

and potential lack of surname

Where would that be?

And I've likely missed out others.

Yeah, Russians have first names, father names and family names.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:19 pm UTC

eSOANEM wrote:I'm British and I rarely here "given name" although I wouldn't think it odd.

What do you say? First name? Christian name?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:34 pm UTC

A title isn't part of someone's name? Hmm, debatable. But many members of the European royal families don't have surnames. They instead have the name of their territory. Under German Civil law I believe they are legally counted as part of the surname, as I think are former titles of German royals.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby eSOANEM » Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:37 pm UTC

Monika wrote:
eSOANEM wrote:I'm British and I rarely here "given name" although I wouldn't think it odd.

What do you say? First name? Christian name?


Either, usually just "name" but if specified probably "first name".
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Cecily » Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:28 pm UTC

Monika wrote:What do you say? First name? Christian name?


First name or forename are what I use and tend to hear, although "Christian name" is still widely used.

However, whilst you can only have one first name, and arguably only one forename, you can have two or more middle names (as I do).
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:34 pm UTC

Yeah, having more than one first name (unless it's joined by a hyphen, making it like one word) just doesn't make sense, logically.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Grop » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:03 pm UTC

bigglesworth wrote:A title isn't part of someone's name? Hmm, debatable. But many members of the European royal families don't have surnames. They instead have the name of their territory. Under German Civil law I believe they are legally counted as part of the surname, as I think are former titles of German royals.


Do you have examples? All the monarchs I can think of have a family name, even though it is not stated all the time: Windsor, Bourbon, Grimaldi, etc. It isn't the name of their land.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:05 pm UTC

They do have family names it's true. It's just that in the UK for some reason the rules of these customs mean that it's more correct to say Queen Elisabeth than Queen Elisabeth Windsor. That might just be a UK thing though.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby GhostWolfe » Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:13 pm UTC

Monika wrote:I think changing from "given name(s)" (British English) to "first name" and "middle name" (American English) was a cunning ploy to limit imigrants from countries with typically four (or three or five+) given names to two.
I was of the assumption that first name (as seperated from the remainder of given names) was so people would know what to call you. It's fairly uncommon to call someone John Peter-Elizabeth-Andrew, they're far more likely to go by "John".

So, I see the distinction as: "Primary Moniker", "remaining given names", "surname".

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby animeHrmIne » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:31 am UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Yeah, having more than one first name (unless it's joined by a hyphen, making it like one word) just doesn't make sense, logically.


It's very common in southern America, actually. Mary Jean, Mary Lou, Barbara Jean, Hannah Beth, etc. Sometimes they have middle names too, but not always. Sometimes it's actually a first-middle name combo that stuck, but a lot of the time it really is 2 first names, x middle names, 1or2 last names.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:26 am UTC

bigglesworth wrote:Yeah, having more than one first name (unless it's joined by a hyphen, making it like one word) just doesn't make sense, logically.

But having several last names is fine, hm? 8)
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby bigglesworth » Tue Jun 15, 2010 10:08 am UTC

Well, maybe on a different sense of "First" it makes sense. I was just having a fleeting thought about if I listed "1,2,3,4,5,6", then 1 is the first number, and not "1 and 2". Purely logically, not in the actual cultural environment names exist in.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby rachel » Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:39 pm UTC

I once knew a girl named Misty Waters. She had no middle name and so had no chance to get away from this. I was in some or all of her classes throughout middle and high school and I felt so bad for her because the kids would have a field day with her name. Some of the teachers would, too. Poor girl.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby djfly » Mon Jun 28, 2010 5:48 pm UTC

I personally know a Stormy Dawn (born, you guessed it, early in the morning during bad weather). She loves the name, but I would imagine that she got teased at some point.

I've known a Winter, Summer, Autumn (but not a spring)
I have a friend named April who was born in May and one named November who was born in October.

Though I read about 15 pages of this thread, I haven't read the whole thing, but i don't think Richard Trickle was brought up yet as an example of "what not to name your kid", especially since he was known as Dick throughout his racing career...

Another scenario that's quite humourous is names that are often given names show up as surnames:
Ted Lindsay for example. Imagine someone with such a name marrying Lindsay Smith.

I personally knew a woman whose surname is "Tease"
Searching Facebook found me a woman whose surname is "Hore" (Her parents should have called her Emma, though made up names like "Ima" or "Notta" would be pretty awesome)

Women's names I'd never choose for a daughter (one spelling provided, the point is the same whichever is chosen):
Trixi and Kandi... (and many others)
Apologies to anyone with these names, but they strike me as "stripper names" as they seem to be commonly chosen as "stage names" for exotic dancers. Additionally, the given names of any women I've previously dated are off limits, I think I'd find that too awkward.

Slightly off topic, I had a friend growing up named Michelle but her parents nicknamed her Biz at a young age (she was an energetic ("busy") child). Needless to say, in highschool that was a commonly "abused" name.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Eebster the Great » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:18 pm UTC

Well if you are going to bring up Dick Trickle, then surely you must know of Dick Butkus?

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby djfly » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:35 pm UTC

Eebster the Great wrote:Well if you are going to bring up Dick Trickle, then surely you must know of Dick Butkus?

Indeed, but I'd forgotten about that one until you mentioned him.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:55 pm UTC

djfly wrote:Additionally, the given names of any women I've previously dated are off limits, I think I'd find that too awkward.

Good for you. A friend let her husband decide on the first (of the four) names of their daughter, or more precisely she had him suggest a couple of names and picked one. It turned out later that *all* of his suggestions were former girlfriends of his. Yes, they were divorced before the child was three.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Monika wrote:A friend let her husband decide on the first (of the four) names of their daughter, or more precisely she had him suggest a couple of names and picked one. It turned out later that *all* of his suggestions were former girlfriends of his. Yes, they were divorced before the child was three.


I'm not attempting to defend him in any way, though I can understand where he's coming from:
When I think of "baby names", the ones that immediately come to mind are those of people I am or have been close to (whether friendly, romantically, or family). Often, when suggesting a name, I don't realize that I had a good friend or ex-girlfriend with the same name until afterwards.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Oregonaut » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:35 pm UTC

I served with a Seaman Sample, a Private Parz, an Airman named Basehore (pronounced Bah-JORE), a Colonel Sanders, a Major Fith, and a Sergeant Sarjent.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby djfly » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:39 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:I served with a Seaman Sample, a Private Parz, an Airman named Basehore (pronounced Bah-JORE), a Colonel Sanders, a Major Fith, and a Sergeant Sarjent.

We can't choose our family name, but we can choose our career.


When I was a kid, I had a subscription to a kid's wildlife magazine and the mailing label always referred to me as "Master [Last Name]"
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:02 pm UTC

Oregonaut wrote:I served with a Seaman Sample, a Private Parz, an Airman named Basehore (pronounced Bah-JORE), a Colonel Sanders, a Major Fith, and a Sergeant Sarjent.

We can't choose our family name, but we can choose our career.

LOL.

Only, what about "Colonel Sanders"?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Monika wrote:
Oregonaut wrote:I served with a Seaman Sample, a Private Parz, an Airman named Basehore (pronounced Bah-JORE), a Colonel Sanders, a Major Fith, and a Sergeant Sarjent.

We can't choose our family name, but we can choose our career.

LOL.

Only, what about "Colonel Sanders"?


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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:43 am UTC

Oh ... didn't know he has a name.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Monika wrote:Oh ... didn't know he has a name.


And now you do. And knowing is 9 and 17/32nds of the battle.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Oregonaut wrote:
Monika wrote:Oh ... didn't know he has a name.


And now you do. And knowing is 9 and 17/32nds of the battle.
...and how much is the battle in total? 10?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Monika wrote:Oh ... didn't know he has a name.


And now you do. And knowing is 9 and 17/32nds of the battle.
...and how much is the battle in total? 10?


The battle in total is 1/4 blue lasers 1/4 red lasers and 9 and 17/32nds knowing.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

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Monika wrote:Oh ... didn't know he has a name.
And now you do. And knowing is 9 and 17/32nds of the battle.
...and how much is the battle in total? 10?
The battle in total is 1/4 blue lasers 1/4 red lasers and 9 and 17/32nds knowing.
...and THAT is a horrible name for a child.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby PM 2Ring » Wed Jun 30, 2010 5:25 pm UTC

Guys, this is getting a bit silly. :)

Back on topic, I have a cousin with the first name Natalie, so naturally her nickname is Nat. Her initials were N.A.T. Her parents didn't realize this lovely recursivity until I pointed it out. Sadly, she married a guy whose surname doesn't begin with a T. :)

I have a couple of middle names, but the second one is really a surname from my maternal ancestors, and I share it with my mother, her father, most of my siblings, and aunts, uncles & cousins on that side of the family. If I didn't use that name (which I am kind of attached to), my initials would be M.R.S.

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Whelan » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:48 pm UTC

Did I mention my friend Tash Beard? Her name is Tash Beard. Occasionally when she drinks she will wander around a party exclaiming "I am Tash Beard! My parents are awesome!"
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby InNombreDeQuién » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:29 pm UTC

In german there are similar combinations of name and surname:

Claire Grube (=> Klärgrube, a dump for "human waste")
Axel Schweiß (=> Axelschweiß, sweat from the armpit)

Those are more or less urban legends, but: http://img367.imageshack.us/i/giselavonhintenmr5.jpg/

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Bobber » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:58 am UTC

So she's a sexologist named Giselda from Behind?
...Marvelous.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Monika » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:11 am UTC

Yes, that's what it means.

It's not quite clear whether it is true. There are some "official" entries, e.g. http://www.youbizz.de/Firma--2447352--G ... ieter.html - but anyone can enter stuff there for free. On the really official websites, gelbeseiten.de and telefonbuch.de she is not found. The address Grüner-Turm-Str. 7 Ravensburg exists and there is even a doctor listed by Google maps - but an urologist with the name Hans Jentzmik. So probably it's faken, even though you will even find photos of her supposed sign on the internet.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Bobber » Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:48 am UTC

Oh well, so much for that name.
I'm still going to pretend that it's real and walk around giggling to myself.
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Postby Monika » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:38 pm UTC

If you speak German, you can giggle all through that site http://www.echtenamen.de/ . Supposedly they're all real. I found my orthodontist named Spangenthal, Spange meaning braces.
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Giant Speck » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:45 am UTC

I have a male coworker whose name is the female equivalent of my name, Jesse. It's spelled with an "i".

I've spent a good portion of my life constantly correcting people because they insert that feminine "i" in my name, only to end up working with a man who actually has that name. ARGH!
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby meatyochre » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:28 pm UTC

I went to high school with a pair of twins, one of whom was Jacquelyn Knopf--pronounced "noff" (the other was a girl whose name started with J but I can't remember it). The name sounds innocuous until you realize she preferred to go by Jacki. Pronounced as "jacki noff".

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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby ave_matthew » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:55 am UTC

A problem that I think people should consider is that the name should be pronounceable. I mean, really try to think of what kind of people your child will be around in their life and pick a name that they can pronounce. This obviously gets trumped by traditional family names etc. etc. but my name is a perfectly good name Matthew, until I went into the immersion school system and half my teachers couldn't pronounce it at all, and now that I'm in university, it's worse because there are far more people who can't pronounce it (mostly French Africans studying in Canada). And I think my parents knew they were going to put me in immersion, but that's not to say that I'm not still proud of my name, and that I would ever change it, just it makes me wonder if I shouldn't introduce myself as Mathieu so that they just call me that and I don't have to hear my name mangled.

Obviously mine is pretty much a best case scenario, because anyone who speaks English as L1 can pronounce it just fine, but if even I get annoyed so often, how must people who get their name mispronounced by everyone feel?

The only two others I know of that regularly get mangled are Zara [ˈzɑː.ɹə] and Brittan [ bɹə.ˈtʰæːn], which are routinely rendered [ˈze.ɹə] and [ˈbɹɪtˤn̩]. To be fair Brittan's name is acctually [bʁiˈtɑ̃ ], but she dosen't hang with enough Frenchies to go by it. Both of them are kind of resigned to the fact that no one will ever get their name right at first.
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Postby Monika » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:26 am UTC

What's the immersion school system? Schools in the English-speaking part of Canada that use French as teaching language in 50% of their classes or something like this?
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Re: Think Before Naming Your Child

Postby Whelan » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:10 pm UTC

I got named Owain in central London, and got so used to the English pronunciation (Owen) that it's how I prefer it now. People pronouncing the ai really bugs me, but yet I can tell when people say Owen rather than pronouncing Owain in the same way. Owine is even more annoying.
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TaintedDeity wrote:And all I get is this tame space dragon. Where's my recognition?!
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