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The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Subliminity » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:24 am UTC

Okay, so...I just ran into some money, and I need a new comp. Help me find THE BEST parts and THE BEST case.

Money is no object.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby J the Ninja » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:54 am UTC

I'm thinking Xeon 5500 system for starters, in a high-end Lian-Li case. Stop by FrozenCPU, pick up a bunch of thinks like rubber fan mounts and sound damping, thorw in SLI'd GTX 295s (there IS a 5500 board with SLI, isn't there? Surely there are people looking to make a high-end 3D workstation in need of such things). Also, for drives, let's do a RAID 0 of 4x 64GB X-25Es. Then add in another drive to do hourly backups. If you're being serious, just do one X-25M for boot/apps, then use a normal Seagate or WD drive for your media.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Carnildo » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:20 am UTC

Money no object?

Mainboard: Tyan S2915A2NRF-E: $400
CPUs: 2x Opteron 2384s: $1380
RAM: 8x Kingston 4GB DDR2 667: $672

Video cards: 2x MSI GeForce GTX 295: $1140
Hard drives: 4x Western Digital 2TB drives in RAID 0+1: $1200
Optical drive: LG Blu-Ray burner: $200

Case: Lian Li PC-A7110B: $380
PSU: PC Power&Cooling 750W: $145

Total: $5517 + shipping

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Axman » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:22 am UTC

Dude, even I think that's ridiculous.

Mad props et al.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Durandal » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:45 am UTC

Carnildo wrote:...

I would sex this computer.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Subliminity » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:19 am UTC

I know nothing about parts, but I know how to put them together.

2 i7-975 XE($2402.00)
2 gtx295's($1215.00)
Corsair 2gig RAM($579.99)
4xWestern Digital Caviar Green 2TB HDD($650.00)
HP Blackbird Case($799.00)
LG Electronics LG W2753V-PF Black 27x10($3990.00)
Optimus Maximus Keyboard(1585.55$) AND a Logitech G19($199.00)
Razer Mamba Mouse($129.99)
Blu-ray Optical Drivesx2($300.00)

TOTAL: $11,850.53

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Carnildo » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:53 am UTC

You seem to be missing a mainboard there.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Mzyxptlk » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:23 am UTC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you can't dual-CPU i7s?
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby majikthise » Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:47 pm UTC

Subliminity wrote:Corsair 2gig RAM($579.99)

Say what now?
Is this a wok that you've shoved down my throat, or are you just pleased to see me?

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby b.i.o » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:38 pm UTC

majikthise wrote:
Subliminity wrote:Corsair 2gig RAM($579.99)

Say what now?

I'm thinking that was probably supposed to be 24GB. At least, I hope so...

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Zeroignite » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:47 pm UTC

If money's no object, don't forget to watercool. Also, you won't really get the most out of it unless you have a high-end monitor and good peripherals.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Scoopster » Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:07 pm UTC

Hmm.. Money no object?! I haven't done a build list like this before!

Motherboard: EVGA X58 3x SLI - $299 ($20 MIR)
CPU: Intel Core i7 920 - $290
Memory: Corsair 12GB DDR3-1600 Kit - $231
Video Card: BFG GeForce GTX 295 - $525
Storage Drive: WD Green 1.5TB HDD - $160
OS Drive: 2 x OCZ 30GB SSDs - $200
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit - $180
Optical 1: LG 6x Blu-ray Burner - $180
Optical 2: Samsung DVD/CD Burner - $26
Cooling: Zalman 120mm 2-Ball Cooler - $60
Power: Corsair HX1000W - $260 ($20 MIR)
Case: Lian Li Armorsuit PC-P80 - $370
Keyboard: Logitech G15- $76
Mouse: Microsoft Habu Laser - $53
Speakers: Logitech G51 5.1 Surround Kit - $159
Headset: Turtle Beach EarForce 5.1 - $63
Monitor: Dell 2408WFP 24" Widescreen Display - $500

= ~$3500 before shipping, MIRs, etc.. If you see anything elsewhere cheaper (like the i7 920 at Microcenter for $230 for walk-in customers only), let me know.

I did look into the dual-i7 thing and while there are dual-LGA1366 boards out there meant for servers, they say they're only compatible with the new Xeon 5500/3500 series procs that are based on the i7. So I didn't go that route. I also didn't go for the Extreme 965 because it's a ripoff - you can just set up a good overclocking rig, use a 920 and save yourself 700 bucks.

And yes, I thought about going with a watercooling setup. I don't know too much about them though so I'd probably screw it up.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby elminster » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:03 pm UTC

No mention of Intels X25-E Extreme 64GB SSD or the FlashIO drive (Currently fastest storage for single drive) or ram disks? I'd have like 16 intel ssd's in raid0 on a seperate 16port raid controller card. There's a company that actually benched 20+ ssd's in raid0 recently, was intense. Back this up to some 2TB WD drives

Cooling, I'd get a 3 stage phase change cascade for each of the GPUs and CPU, so they all run under -100 degrees C. These aren't off the shelf though, but there are plenty of people who build refrigeration units for this. Some commercial ones like vapochill lightspeed are reasonable, but nothing compared to some of the ones made over at xtremesystems.org.
Two 295's in sli is around about the most powerful graphics you can get. There are boards that acommodate 4x Pcix16 cards, but I don't think there's any drivers to run that kinda thing.

The Dell Ultrasharp 3008WFP would be quite nice.

I just noticed the OCZ Blade Series ddr3 is spec'd for Cas7 whereas the corsair is Cas8. The probably use the same chips, but maybe different binning. Dunno what would actually do better out the two though.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby psykx » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:23 pm UTC

hum.. if money is no object then possibly the new cray? I'm guessing thats not an option though so

how about this baby


dual 771 socket mobo $529.99
3.16Ghz quad core server cpus X 2 $1,259.99 X 2
2 X 4GB Kingston DDR2 X 8 $419.49 X 8
yes thats 64GB of ram :]
Zotac GeForce GTX 295 "Infiniti Watercooled" $841 (only one because the mobo doesn't support sli)
Zalman LQ1000 Z-Machine Hybrid Liquid Cooled Case $757
300GB 15.5K harddrives X 5 $598 X 5 (in raid 5)
PC Power & Cooling Turbo Cool 1200W Power Supply $522
widescreen 24 inch monitor X 2 $559.99 X 2
blueray combo writer$389
ergotron dual screen stand $137.99

thats $12,6.2.88 all english prices converted and rounded
oh + $5 for keyboard and mouse off ebay :D
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Postby GuitarFreak » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:42 pm UTC

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Area Man » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:02 am UTC

If you're going for excessive, and money's no object, go for SLI Quadro cards.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Carnildo » Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:58 am UTC

Area Man wrote:If you're going for excessive, and money's no object, go for SLI Quadro cards.

Only if you're not gaming. It's been a while since I saw a Quadro vs GeForce comparison, but the last one I saw had the Quadro kicking the GeForce's ass at things like antialiased lines, point sprites, and huge datasets, but being unplayable (seconds per frame unplayable) at Doom 3.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Crius » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:02 am UTC

I won't list of parts, since plenty of people have done it already, but I'd suggest getting a RAM SSD drive for a boot drive. The HyperDrive5 can take up to 8x 8GB DDR2 sticks (if you can find 8GB sticks), so you could have get a 64 GB RAM boot drive. You could potentially throw a couple of these together in a RAID 0 for a 128 GB boot drive, which should be plenty for the OS and your commonly used applications. I don't think a RAID 0 would make the drive any faster though, since the bottleneck in a RAM SSD is going to be the SATA connection.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby psykx » Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:36 am UTC

actually I think raid 0 might make it faster as your effectively adding more sata channels to your drive.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby elminster » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:12 pm UTC

24x 256GB Samsung SSD's in raid 0 - Apparently 2Gb/s.

Also, I was mistaken: it isn't "FlashIO", it's the ioDrive by fusionIO. It can easily manage over 400Mb/s reads on average with <0.1ms latency. It's not bootable yet though (I.e. Only useful as secondary storage).

Similarly, the ACARD ANS-9010 DDR2 SATA RAM-Drive (Reviewed HERE) manages over 400mb/s reads, but not quite as good writes.

Besides capacity (Note samsungs 256GB drives can just be raid'd to bigger sizes/performance), there's little reason to choose normal harddisks over SSD's anymore. Even with the most powerful computer that money can buy, without quick storage, games and everything will still be slow to load. Regular harddisks are the slowest component in a standard computer (i.e. bottleneck).
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Game_boy » Sat Apr 11, 2009 4:08 pm UTC

Money no object?

The fastest current CPU setup that you can buy is dual Nehalem. The Xeon W5580 is the fastest; two of those will own anything. $1600 each, of course.

The fastest current gaming GPU setup is quad-crossfire HD4890. Yes, the GTX275* beats it single card vs. single card, but the 4890 has better scaling when it comes to four of them. $240 each.

Good luck finding a server motherboard with two CPU slots and four graphics card slots though.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Subliminity » Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:04 pm UTC

elminster wrote:24x 256GB Samsung SSD's in raid 0 - Apparently 2Gb/s.

Also, I was mistaken: it isn't "FlashIO", it's the ioDrive by fusionIO. It can easily manage over 400Mb/s reads on average with <0.1ms latency. It's not bootable yet though (I.e. Only useful as secondary storage).

Similarly, the ACARD ANS-9010 DDR2 SATA RAM-Drive (Reviewed HERE) manages over 400mb/s reads, but not quite as good writes.

Besides capacity (Note samsungs 256GB drives can just be raid'd to bigger sizes/performance), there's little reason to choose normal harddisks over SSD's anymore. Even with the most powerful computer that money can buy, without quick storage, games and everything will still be slow to load. Regular harddisks are the slowest component in a standard computer (i.e. bottleneck).


That 24xSSD looks fucking awesome.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Dromtry » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:09 pm UTC

Game_boy wrote:Money no object?

The fastest current CPU setup that you can buy is dual Nehalem. The Xeon W5580 is the fastest; two of those will own anything. $1600 each, of course.

The fastest current gaming GPU setup is quad-crossfire HD4890. Yes, the GTX285 beats it single card vs. single card, but the 4890 has better scaling when it comes to four of them. $240 each.

Good luck finding a server motherboard with two CPU slots and four graphics card slots though.

490 isn't pitted against the 285, it's at the same price point as the 275, that's what it should be compared to. Also, 2 295's SLIed together nearly doubled the power of the 4870 X2 in Crossfire, and a 4890 isn't a massive improvement over the 4870 (though it is quite an improvement). I would assume 2 295's are going to perform about the same as 4 4890's.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Game_boy » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:24 pm UTC

Dromtry wrote:490 isn't pitted against the 285, it's at the same price point as the 275, that's what it should be compared to. Also, 2 295's SLIed together nearly doubled the power of the 4870 X2 in Crossfire, and a 4890 isn't a massive improvement over the 4870 (though it is quite an improvement). I would assume 2 295's are going to perform about the same as 4 4890's.


Um, yeah, I meant 275. And of course the GTX295 is two 275.

But:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=12

two 4870 X2s are consistently better than two GTX295s according to Anandtech, because Crossfire has better scaling to 4 GPUs than SLI. So 4 4890s should be completely above 2 GTX295s.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Carnildo » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:47 am UTC

irfan9727 wrote:See this:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/?u=13023 .

~$25,000.


You've got parts that don't fit together (the cooling system doesn't go with the video card, the power supply only has one 8-pin CPU plug when you need two), you've got subpar parts (the Quadro is worthless for gaming), you aren't taking full advantage of the mainboard's abilities (only eight of the 32 RAM slots are filled), you can't go SLI (that second x16 slot is only good for driving another pair of monitors), you've got redundant parts (two mice? two Bluetooth adapters?), you've got expensive parts for the sake of having expensive parts (a 4-port RAID card when you've only got one hard drive?), and you're paying about $15,000 for the logo on the side of the case.

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Shenanigans? Troll? Where's the "BS" button?
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Postby BumpInTheNight » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:31 pm UTC

Hehe I agree, its the 'view previous posts by this user' button in the profile though. By page two its basically figured out there are plenty of conflicting posts and I think within page three there is one where its basically admitted that fabricated stories are common.

Besides, we all know a custom built Cray desktop would be the most douchey 'expensive for the sake of expensive' computer to have as a foot rest under your desk. :P

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby felixalias » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:37 pm UTC

Game_boy wrote:Um, yeah, I meant 275. And of course the GTX295 is two 275.

But:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=12

two 4870 X2s are consistently better than two GTX295s according to Anandtech, because Crossfire has better scaling to 4 GPUs than SLI. So 4 4890s should be completely above 2 GTX295s.


Actually, in that article you linked, the FPS for World at War, Crysis, and Fallout 3, the 2xGTX295 comes out on top. It's only in Far Cry 2 and L4D that they fall behind (3x GTX 285 is on top of Far Cry 2, and L4D is so poorly optimized I'd be wary of trusting that as my only benchmark).

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Dromtry » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:52 pm UTC

Game_boy wrote:
Dromtry wrote:490 isn't pitted against the 285, it's at the same price point as the 275, that's what it should be compared to. Also, 2 295's SLIed together nearly doubled the power of the 4870 X2 in Crossfire, and a 4890 isn't a massive improvement over the 4870 (though it is quite an improvement). I would assume 2 295's are going to perform about the same as 4 4890's.


Um, yeah, I meant 275. And of course the GTX295 is two 275.

But:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3520&p=12

two 4870 X2s are consistently better than two GTX295s according to Anandtech, because Crossfire has better scaling to 4 GPUs than SLI. So 4 4890s should be completely above 2 GTX295s.

I can't even get that link to load.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby headprogrammingczar » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:53 am UTC

Don't forget though, you need a badass case to put it in. For example, this:
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A mahogany desk built around your computer. The keyboard, monitor, and mousepad are set into the wood. Wires go inside the desk, and the computer is in a drawer at the bottom. Price: $50,000 USD.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Delass » Wed Apr 15, 2009 4:17 am UTC

Dont forget a really sweet chair. Maybe this? http://www.la-z-boy.com/furniture/product.aspx?pid=19 A leather recliner with massage.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Axman » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:40 am UTC

Dromtry wrote:I can't even get that link to load.

CrossFire, particularly CrossFireX, scales much better than SLI.

I would love a desk made out of solid chunks of wood, but then, I'm easy to please like that.

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby psykx » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:41 am UTC

Delass wrote:Dont forget a really sweet chair. Maybe this? http://www.la-z-boy.com/furniture/product.aspx?pid=19 A leather recliner with massage.

You obviously haven't seen the emperor workstation $40,000
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Subliminity » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:01 pm UTC

psykx wrote:
Delass wrote:Dont forget a really sweet chair. Maybe this? http://www.la-z-boy.com/furniture/product.aspx?pid=19 A leather recliner with massage.

You obviously haven't seen the emperor workstation $40,000


That thing...scares...me. :shock:

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby headprogrammingczar » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:08 am UTC

Clearly Combine technology.
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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Scoopster » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:01 pm UTC

Game_boy wrote:Um, yeah, I meant 275. And of course the GTX295 is two 275.

Actually it's a dual GTX 280, I think at a smaller die process..

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Re: The BEST custom-built PC.

Postby Axman » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:56 pm UTC

Scoopster wrote:Actually it's a dual GTX 280, I think at a smaller die process..

Uh, you might want to google that with an open mind.


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