Controversial opinions about food

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Adam H » Wed Jun 12, 2013 5:59 pm UTC

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  • Hot dogs are amazing and the cheaper the better.
  • Ketchup is generally unnecessary. Fries are delicious by themselves, and burgers are better with other condiments.

What about with cheap hot dogs and Ketchup?

I prefer hotdogs with some sort of mustard/relish/onion/chili/cheese vibe. If I don't have any of those, ketchup is a maybe little bit better than eating it plain. Maybe.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:01 pm UTC

Hmmm, ok, this is probably unpopular and controversial:

  • I love my pink Himalayan sea salt
  • I love my black volcanic salt, too
  • I love my coarse ground sea salt, as well
  • Salt is awesome, when used properly

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Роберт » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:04 pm UTC

Adam H wrote:
Роберт wrote:
Adam H wrote:
  • Hot dogs are amazing and the cheaper the better.
  • Ketchup is generally unnecessary. Fries are delicious by themselves, and burgers are better with other condiments.

What about with cheap hot dogs and Ketchup?

I prefer hotdogs with some sort of mustard/relish/onion/chili/cheese vibe. If I don't have any of those, ketchup is a maybe little bit better than eating it plain. Maybe.

Oh, yes, burying a cheap hotdog in chile and cheese is superior to ketchup.

It's just... a nice hotdog is great with a little mustard, but a cheap one needs to be masked with some other flavors eg ketchup.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby AngrySquirrel » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:39 pm UTC

If you say food needs ketchup you're basically saying that food is shit and not fit for human consumption.

Also fries taste like cardboard and needs either ketchup, mayo or preferably aioli.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:54 pm UTC

Don't listen to those meanies, ketchup. I still like you. Not on a hot dog, obviously, but your tomato-and-vinegar tanginess is just what a french fry needs.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:12 pm UTC

Good fries, i.e. thin and crispy fries with adequate but not excessive salt, can be just as good without ketchup. Fries that are made improperly, i.e. limp, thick, and/or not properly salted, require ketchup.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Puppyclaws » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:26 am UTC

I hate salt. Salt ruins food. I will use it from time to time in cooking when absolutely necessary. But I hate how much salt is in everything made by everybody else (esp. restaurants), because it tastes awful to me. Lightly salted nuts are just painful to eat, and finding completely unsalted ones can be difficult (if you are picky about your nuts).

Sandry wrote:This is probably a vegetarian-specific one... Tofu: it's not that good. I'd rather have beans and lentils. Same thing with tempeh. Seitan is legit awesome, though.


As a recent convert to a meat-limited diet, yeah...tofu, man. I forgot how much I disliked tofu. I gave it a chance the other night, in two different dishes from two different Asian restaurants. I ended up throwing them both out (p.s. I am wasteful, but this was just...horrible). I just...I couldn't even eat that stuff.

When I ate hot dogs I ate them with Frank's Red Hot, yellow mustard, and ketchup. The ketchup totally made it. And Chicago dogs are great as long as they are not made with Vienna Beef hot dogs.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:31 am UTC

Sandry wrote:This is probably a vegetarian-specific one... Tofu: it's not that good. I'd rather have beans and lentils. Same thing with tempeh. Seitan is legit awesome, though.

I remember my first experience with tofu. It looked like paneer, which I liked, and tasted of emptiness, which I found very disconcerting. It was like that bit in the Hitchhiker's Guide when Zaphod reaches out to touch Hotblack Desiato's ship, and his hand just stops.

I grew up on a limited-meat (by US standards) Indian diet, and I could probably go a while without missing meat, but a lot of vegetarian cooking in the US is unfortunate. It's like they're trying to approximate meat (and failing) rather than just making food that happens to not contain meat.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby gingermrkettle » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:01 am UTC

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Роберт » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:03 pm UTC

Nath wrote:Don't listen to those meanies, ketchup. I still like you. Not on a hot dog, obviously, but your tomato-and-vinegar tanginess is just what a french fry needs.

Ketchup on fries is super overrated. I'd prefer to dip my fries in ice cream, or barbeque sauce, or honey-mustard sauce, or maybe balsamic vinegar.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sandry » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:21 pm UTC

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Sandry wrote:Mushrooms are freaking awful. Yes, all of them.

Even Shrooms?

To be honest, I wouldn't know.

Puppyclaws wrote:I hate salt. Salt ruins food. I will use it from time to time in cooking when absolutely necessary. But I hate how much salt is in everything made by everybody else (esp. restaurants), because it tastes awful to me. Lightly salted nuts are just painful to eat, and finding completely unsalted ones can be difficult (if you are picky about your nuts).

Oh man, I have this same issue with pretzels. Unsalted pretzels are *great*. Salted pretzels basically taste like salt until the point in a few minutes where I then can't eat them because my lips hurt. Fuck salted pretzels.

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Sandry wrote:This is probably a vegetarian-specific one... Tofu: it's not that good. I'd rather have beans and lentils. Same thing with tempeh. Seitan is legit awesome, though.


As a recent convert to a meat-limited diet, yeah...tofu, man. I forgot how much I disliked tofu. I gave it a chance the other night, in two different dishes from two different Asian restaurants. I ended up throwing them both out (p.s. I am wasteful, but this was just...horrible). I just...I couldn't even eat that stuff.

Tofu at its best, IMO, rises to a level of basically palatable. And that's if you do absolutely everything right. I've totally had the experience of getting a Chinese dish with tofu (soft tofu, augh, abomination!) that was so godawful the most I could do was manage to consume some of the sauce with it over white rice. I struggled along with this because someone treated me to that dinner, and I was trying to be as polite as possible.

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Sandry wrote:This is probably a vegetarian-specific one... Tofu: it's not that good. I'd rather have beans and lentils. Same thing with tempeh. Seitan is legit awesome, though.

I remember my first experience with tofu. It looked like paneer, which I liked, and tasted of emptiness, which I found very disconcerting. It was like that bit in the Hitchhiker's Guide when Zaphod reaches out to touch Hotblack Desiato's ship, and his hand just stops.

I grew up on a limited-meat (by US standards) Indian diet, and I could probably go a while without missing meat, but a lot of vegetarian cooking in the US is unfortunate. It's like they're trying to approximate meat (and failing) rather than just making food that happens to not contain meat.

Ye gods, YES. People always struggle with vegetarianism when they try to do "what's the vegetarian equivalent of X?" and I'm over here going, "hello? Dahl? Fucking delicious. Let's do that instead." Nine times out of ten I'd rather have a well made grilled cheese than a dish that's "the vegetarian equivalent of X."
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:30 pm UTC

I'm surprised to hear all the hate on tofu. I understand people who say it's bland, but I don't think I heard people before saying it was uneatable. Personally I like it, from time to time, but I definitely don't have it often, not even once a month.

As for vegetarian dishes, the only "mock meat" stuff I eat is veggie burgers in restaurants (and usually they're not really trying to be meat, but rather mushroom-lentil patties), and bolognese-like sauce made with soy flakes, which is actually really good IMO. But otherwise, yeah, veggie food isn't food that's like meat but vegetarian, it's food that isn't meat.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby TheAmazingRando » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:27 pm UTC

I love tofu but I think it does it a disservice to consider it a meat substitute. It doesn't taste like meat, look like meat, or feel like meat. It can go well with meat, though - I like it lightly fried on bacon sandwiches because it has a body crispy bacon lacks, but it doesn't have a flavor that will overpower it.

I agree that substituting meat in a dish is usually a bad idea compared to substituting the dish with something that doesn't have meat in it. My old roommate was a vegetarian and she always had veggie chicken nuggets, veggie corn dogs, veggie burgers, veggie sausage, veggie chorizo, etc., and I didn't get it. She had just gone vegetarian though so maybe it's easier that way? Kind of like using an electronic cigarette to quit smoking, or switching to diet soft drinks.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:06 am UTC

Zohar wrote:I'm surprised to hear all the hate on tofu. I understand people who say it's bland, but I don't think I heard people before saying it was uneatable. Personally I like it, from time to time, but I definitely don't have it often, not even once a month.

I don't think it's inedible. It just doesn't taste of anything. I pick it up and put it in my mouth, and my brain says, 'OK, food coming in; prepare for flavors and textures', and my mouth says, 'are you sure it didn't fall out of your chopsticks? I don't think there's anything in here'.

It can be a vehicle for sauce. I have been meaning to try mapo tofu, because I generally like Sichuan food, but I'm reluctant to order it because I don't want to be stuck with a plate full of emptiness.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby poxic » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:12 am UTC

You're thinking of tofu all wrong. It tastes like beans, just not very strongly. Think texture: use firm tofu and dice it small, mixing it in with a chunky veggieful sauce until it grows on you.

I actually really like tofu now but started reacting badly to soy a while ago. :(
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Puppyclaws » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:04 am UTC

The only tofu I have ever liked was sliced very thin, breaded and deep fried, then dipped in heavy thick sauce of some type. It still wasn't great, but I could force it down.

For me, it is not only the complete lack of flavor, the disturbing absence of any flavor at all (if you have read Perfume, you may understand), but the texture of it is wildly unpleasant. It has the mouthfeel of mud that's grown a layer of skin. In fact that sounds considerably more appetizing than tofu. I can't even force myself to eat it. My brain tells me it is not food, even though it plainly is. There are, I think, only two things I can't eat due to texture; tofu, and jellyfish.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby PictureSarah » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:30 pm UTC

I find tofu, in general, unpleasant. There was one cafe in my hometown that made tamari-baked tofu sandwiches, and they were great. The tofu was flavorful, and wonderfully chewy. I don't know how they did it. The flavor went all the way through the tofu, rather than coating the outside. I tried marinating, marinating and freezing, freezing in marinade, baking, grilling, and while I could come close to replicating the flavor, I could not come close to the texture.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby bigglesworth » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:47 pm UTC

I quite like tofu, but have a sneaking suspicion it makes me ill. Which is weird, because I'm fine with the litres of soya milk I drink.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sandry » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:33 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:I'm surprised to hear all the hate on tofu. I understand people who say it's bland, but I don't think I heard people before saying it was uneatable. Personally I like it, from time to time, but I definitely don't have it often, not even once a month.

I think by and large the existence of tofu in my life is because many Asian restaurants tend not to offer vegetarian dishes that have protein in them that aren't tofu. If I could replace ~90% of instances of tofu with egg, I'd probably be happier.

And while I wouldn't say it's uneatable, I would probably limit that kindness to firm, extra firm, and fried-until-no-seriously-there's-some-firmness-involved types of tofu. Soft and silken tofu are horrible and are a massive detractor from any dish including them.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:40 pm UTC

Soft and silken tofu are great in fruit smoothies, we do that all the time.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Carlington » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:43 pm UTC

Tofu is good in soups and noodle dishes.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:16 pm UTC

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:51 pm UTC

I, too, prefer skins with most forms of potatoes.

And MJ, big fat Israeli guy likes tofu too!

I wonder what people's thoughts are regarding haloumi cheese, if they exist at all. Because its texture it really cool when fried, and I like its taste as well, but it's a little chewy.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:51 pm UTC

I'm a fan of halloumi. Fried or grilled halloumi is the perfect food texture, at least in small quantities.

poxic wrote:I actually really like tofu now but started reacting badly to soy a while ago. :(

That's a bummer. I know they make curds out of other beans as well; have you looked into those?

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Postby PAstrychef » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:56 pm UTC

I quite like tofu. Also grilled cheese, not in sandwiches.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:01 am UTC

Even the best steak is kinda dull.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Mighty Jalapeno » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:34 am UTC

Sheikh al-Majaneen wrote:Even the best steak is kinda dull.

But I've never had the best steak.


I agree with the second part.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby natraj » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:36 pm UTC

Sandry wrote:Mushrooms are freaking amazing. Yes, all of them.


oh man yes i agree entirely.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby bigglesworth » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:48 pm UTC

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Decker » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:14 pm UTC

-I almost always get my steak done medium. I do not like the spongy, chewy texture of rare steaks.
-A lot of food at many chain restaurants is perfectly edible. Applebees made a decent steak. Shame I don't eat there anymore for other reasons. Olive garden breadsticks are fine and great dipped in their sausage soup.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SlyReaper » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:32 pm UTC

Controversial: quantity can be a perfectly acceptable substitute for quality.

That pickled lime stuff you get with poppadoms in curry restaurants - delish.

Purple Yorkies have raisins in them, and therefore constitute one of your 5 a day.

Mushrooms are awesome.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Decker » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:34 pm UTC

SlyReaper wrote:Sprouts have no place in this world, and should be incinerated on sight.

Bean sprouts? Brussels sprouts? Or do you have a hatred for baby plants in general?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SurgicalSteel » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:26 pm UTC

Decker wrote:I do not like the spongy, chewy texture of rare steaks
If that's the only thing you don't like about rare steak, you should seek out better chefs. A poorly cooked rare steak will be chewy like you said, but if it's properly prepared and cooked, you can make it rare while still breaking enough of the protein bonds to make it tender.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Wednesday » Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:10 pm UTC

Tofu is edible in all forms firmer than firm, and is delicious when seared, fried, whatever'd to give it a crispy skin. Tofu should not be cut thicker than 1cm.

Ketchup is amazeballs on boxed craft mac and cheese.

Mayo and ketchup are the best burger toppings, but only when used in tandem.

Salt is a flavor enhancer and should be present and nearly undetectable in 90% of meals.

Mushrooms taste like dirt and continue to squeak against my teeth after cooking. There are very few exceptions to this rule, and I cannot properly spell their names.

Peanut butter and jam sandwiches must be made on white or potato bread, heavy on the (creamy) peanut butter, easier on the (blackberry) jam.

Fry bread is a staple food and always will be. It is good dipped always, everywhere, forever.

Balsamic vinegar is the only vinegar.

Baking does not require precise measurement, but cooking absolutely does.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sandry » Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:57 pm UTC

Wednesday wrote:Baking does not require precise measurement, but cooking absolutely does.

Wow. Okay, this one seems to me the most controversial yet. Now I totally want to watch you bake. ...I think that sounded weirder than I think I meant it to.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Wednesday » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:22 pm UTC

I am an absolute failure when it comes to cooking food by "feel". I cannot make you a decent tomato sauce, despite knowing exactly what steps I need to take to do so, unless someone gives me exact proportions. This much oregano, this much thyme, sage, salt, pepper, rosemary, bay, etc. With baking (and bread in particular) I just....throw shit together. I know how binding agents work and the basic principles behind leavening and what you use to make it happen, so when I make pizza dough or something I just kind of throw olive oil in a bowl, and then flour, and then a bit of sugar and salt, and then water and yeast and I mix it up with my hands. I can sort of just tell when it's going to be too sticky, too dry, not oily enough, too salty/sugary... I dunno, it just works.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Nath » Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:05 pm UTC

I'm the opposite. I do nearly all my cooking by feel, but I measure stuff out on the rare occasions that I bake. I do stovetop unleavened breads by feel, though.

My way of cooking by feel is to taste and adjust the 'macrotastes' (salty, spicy, sweet, sour, bitter), and not worry too much about the relative quantities of herbs and spices. I think most of the taste of a dish comes from the main thing you're cooking, and if you season it correctly (get the macrotastes right), you'll end up with something good. Herbs and spices add complexity, but aren't necessary, and won't ruin the dish unless overused or misused (clashing flavors).

For example, I hear good things about Marcella Hazan's four ingredient tomato sauce (tomatoes, butter, onion, salt). You could individualize it with your favorite herbs and spices, but they won't rescue a bad sauce, or ruin a good sauce (unless you are silly about it).

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Wednesday » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:13 am UTC

I wonder if my food isn't objectively crappy, it just seems so when compared to what I'm used to eating... Belial is a fantastic cook these days and spoils me rotten, I grew up with a guy that was taught how to cook by a three Michelin star chef. I would try to find out through more thorough testing, but then Belial would not be cooking as often, and that would be tragic.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Sheikh al-Majaneen » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:57 am UTC

Mighty Jalapeno wrote:
Sheikh al-Majaneen wrote:Even the best steak is kinda dull.

But I've never had the best steak.


I agree with the second part.

The best steak ever was grilled at a tavern in Boston, Massachussetts, on the 16th of September, 1739.

Nobody can ever have it again; it's long-since been consumed and shat.


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