Controversial opinions about food

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SnowVix » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:06 pm UTC

Fake meats are pointless, if I want to eat a meatless meal, I don't want to be missing meat, I want to experience something good without meat.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby PAstrychef » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:16 pm UTC

Mashed potatoes are always worth the effort. If you get a food mill or a ricer they are almost effortless.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby commodorejohn » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:30 pm UTC

The only things that belong in mac-'n-cheese are mac and cheese.

Bacon is acceptable if it's being served as a snack alongside a nice dark beer.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby SnowVix » Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:56 pm UTC

Honestly, I've found peas to be a tasty addition to mac & cheese.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby freezeblade » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:05 pm UTC

commodorejohn wrote:The only things that belong in mac-'n-cheese are mac and cheese.

Bacon is acceptable if it's being served as a snack alongside a nice dark beer.


Other forms of cured pork products are acceptable, imho. This includes, but is not limited to Ham, Bacon (streaky or back), smoked sausage, etc.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Moo » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 am UTC

Spinach can be quite nice too, mixed into the cheese sauce (but not sprouts; ew).

Mash protip: bake your potatoes then scoop out the flesh once they've cooled a bit. Takes longer but results in flawless, super fluffy mash that's also super easy to... well, mash. Use leftover hollowed out potato skins as delicious bacon and cheese delivery system (or chile con carne or tuna salad) for another meal.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:48 am UTC

Moo wrote:Spinach can be quite nice too, mixed into the cheese sauce (but not sprouts; ew).

Mash protip: bake your potatoes then scoop out the flesh once they've cooled a bit. Takes longer but results in flawless, super fluffy mash that's also super easy to... well, mash. Use leftover hollowed out potato skins as delicious bacon and cheese delivery system (or chile con carne or tuna salad) for another meal.

To focus on mashed potatoes, incorporate the crispy browned skin into the potatoes, and use sour cream instead of milk to add tanginess...and scallions, bacon, rosemary etc etc Pretty much turn it into loaded baked potatoes, but mashed.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby moody7277 » Fri Dec 22, 2017 5:13 pm UTC

PAstrychef wrote:Mashed potatoes are always worth the effort. If you get a food mill or a ricer they are almost effortless.


That's if you like your potatoes perfectly smooth. If you want them somewhat chunky, the masher with the squiggly metal bar on the bottom is fine.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Sat Dec 30, 2017 9:04 am UTC

I don't eat healthy. I eat whatever the fuck I want. Because the only alternative for me is bulimia and restrictive crash diets. I know I'm not forced to do them but I still feel tempted. Even now I feel tempted to eat nothing or drink nothing for a month or vomit out everything I just binged on. Anyways, I eat pizza foods, drink diet soda with abandon and even still enjoy some vegan dishes. And I don't care that it's not healthy. <3
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:40 pm UTC

A common myth in popular perception of modern medicine is that there's the ONE TRUE WAY to live your life in a healthy manner. There isn't. If what keeps you going and makes sure you have enough energy to live your life is junk food, then that's healthy for you.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:17 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:A common myth in popular perception of modern medicine is that there's the ONE TRUE WAY to live your life in a healthy manner. There isn't. If what keeps you going and makes sure you have enough energy to live your life is junk food, then that's healthy for you.

The common myth about dietary nutrition is that what's healthy for you has changed over time. It hasn't. Eat mostly green vegetables, and some of whatever else you want. Don't eat too much processed food. Done.

There are some exceptions, but it's mostly a solid rule for those with the money and time to get it. Ex: Potatoes, + beef, ok-ish. Beef Hash from a can - bad. It also works to guide you away from health scams, like smoothies diets or "supplements" aka placebos.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really help stressed lifestyles, like a waiter who's getting off his shift at 1am, and ate at the fast food restaurant + copious amounts of booze. That's the limitation of free internet advice. Maybe don't drink booze?

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:22 pm UTC

There can be two myths related to food? Or even three!
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby doogly » Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:39 pm UTC

sardia wrote: Maybe don't drink booze?

There's controversy, and then there's rank nonsense.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Wed Jan 03, 2018 9:13 pm UTC

lol sardia has just has to come in and preach about healthy foods. Fuck healthy foods. I eat vegetables all the time and they don't make me happier. And processed foods are not evil even if they make you fat. I'm literally giggling all the way away from the thread. Because Mr. sardia is the expert on healthy diets now. And booze may not be healthy and that's where I agree for one thing but Only One Thing.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ericgrau » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:39 pm UTC

Ooh on that note I have one to add. Real healthy stuff usually tastes way better than unhealthy stuff. Not that kale kombucha BS, but sashimi, fresh anything, a nicely made fancy mushroom or butternut squash or sunchoke or brussel sprouts or etc. veggie dish, forbidden rice, etc., etc.

Problem is we're told the choice is between hamburgers and green muck. So people say I'd rather live shorter than suffer. By the numbers the muck isn't even good for you at all and is a complete waste of your time and tongue. Hamburgers vary but tend to be mediocre, not horrible. Supersize Me was faked as all attempts to reproduce it showed minor weight gain & health effects due to a boosted metabolism from increased eating. Pick ground wagyu (sounds expensive and it kinda is, but cheaper than salmon btw) and whatever fancy bread bun and again burgers are way tastier & super healthy.

Basically quality ingredients are way healthier & tastier than poor ones. By the numbers that you can actually look up, and not xyz health fad. France is the leanest country that doesn't have hunger issues, besides Japan. I think Japan is also the healthiest in terms of life span & medical stuff.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:46 pm UTC

I play games to get myself to like healthy foods. Like I'll put something I like into something I don't like. Salad a little boring? Maybe add crunchy bits, vary the vegetables you put in there so there are different tastes and maybe yes some dressing if you wanna. I'm really really not trying to gross anyone out. Some small amounts of sugar in my tea or coffee. Drinking a drink I like when eating raw vegetables. You know. Foods and drinks games.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:25 pm UTC

ericgrau wrote:Ooh on that note I have one to add. Real healthy stuff usually tastes way better than unhealthy stuff. Not that kale kombucha BS, but sashimi, fresh anything, a nicely made fancy mushroom or butternut squash or sunchoke or brussel sprouts or etc. veggie dish, forbidden rice, etc., etc.

Problem is we're told the choice is between hamburgers and green muck. So people say I'd rather live shorter than suffer. By the numbers the muck isn't even good for you at all and is a complete waste of your time and tongue. Hamburgers vary but tend to be mediocre, not horrible. Supersize Me was faked as all attempts to reproduce it showed minor weight gain & health effects due to a boosted metabolism from increased eating. Pick ground wagyu (sounds expensive and it kinda is, but cheaper than salmon btw) and whatever fancy bread bun and again burgers are way tastier & super healthy.

Basically quality ingredients are way healthier & tastier than poor ones. By the numbers that you can actually look up, and not xyz health fad. France is the leanest country that doesn't have hunger issues, besides Japan. I think Japan is also the healthiest in terms of life span & medical stuff.

Having good eats is hard if you aren't wealthy enough to live in a good neighborhood. Getting quality ingredients already assumes so much about your life. Like you have a grocer nearby, and that nearby assumes you have a car (or is really really nearby), and that it's affordable. If you have all that, then yea, eating healthy isn't hard I guess.
What do you mean by green muck?

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby speising » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:32 pm UTC

creamed spinach. (my interpretation of "green muck") who ever invented that abomination? no wonder kids don't like the stuff. maybe if you made them some nice fresh spinach they'd see it in a different light.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ericgrau » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:56 pm UTC

sardia wrote:
ericgrau wrote:Ooh on that note I have one to add. Real healthy stuff usually tastes way better than unhealthy stuff. Not that kale kombucha BS, but sashimi, fresh anything, a nicely made fancy mushroom or butternut squash or sunchoke or brussel sprouts or etc. veggie dish, forbidden rice, etc., etc.

Problem is we're told the choice is between hamburgers and green muck. So people say I'd rather live shorter than suffer. By the numbers the muck isn't even good for you at all and is a complete waste of your time and tongue. Hamburgers vary but tend to be mediocre, not horrible. Supersize Me was faked as all attempts to reproduce it showed minor weight gain & health effects due to a boosted metabolism from increased eating. Pick ground wagyu (sounds expensive and it kinda is, but cheaper than salmon btw) and whatever fancy bread bun and again burgers are way tastier & super healthy.

Basically quality ingredients are way healthier & tastier than poor ones. By the numbers that you can actually look up, and not xyz health fad. France is the leanest country that doesn't have hunger issues, besides Japan. I think Japan is also the healthiest in terms of life span & medical stuff.

Having good eats is hard if you aren't wealthy enough to live in a good neighborhood. Getting quality ingredients already assumes so much about your life. Like you have a grocer nearby, and that nearby assumes you have a car (or is really really nearby), and that it's affordable. If you have all that, then yea, eating healthy isn't hard I guess.
What do you mean by green muck?

Definitely. Sucks for them if all they can afford is canned food and fast food. You can still get fresh food like beans and veggies though. Most of the things I mentioned are dirt cheap if you make it yourself. The hard part is meat. If you're not well off it's better to avoid meat since seafood is expensive. Or get sardines, anchovies. Crayfish maybe? Or canned fish is passable if you also prepare a lot of fresh food.

Green muck was a general term for random bad tasting "health" item that isn't actually healthy. It doesn't actually have to be green nor muck, but y'know how a lot of them aren't too pleasant. And yeah besides tasting better, fresh spinach is also way better for you than overprocessed spinach. Veggies are easily damaged.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Pfhorrest » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:04 am UTC

if the green muck is vegetables in a green curry sauce then count me in.

that's probably not actually healthy though, because it tastes good.

im sorry i don't just eat salad.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ericgrau » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:06 am UTC

Veggies good, curry sauce good. Sounds healthy. Lettuce isn't that special, even the better ones. Curried veggies sound a lot better for you, stick with that. Dunno what recipe I used but the few recipes I saw used much more colorful and healthier veggies than what's put in most salads. The spices also tend to be good for you.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:31 am UTC

Yummy-Yummy curried vegetables. And why is food like good good bad bad languages all over the places? Why we need to make foods "good" or "bad?" It makes me feel tempted to describe in graphic detail me drinking beers or eating an unhealthy pizza.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ericgrau » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:41 am UTC

Oh "good" in terms of healthy. And since I was saying before healthiness tends to taste good not bad. He was thinking tastes good automatically means it must be unhealthy. I'm thinking he should load up on more curried veggies if he likes them.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Moo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:47 am UTC

speising wrote:creamed spinach. (my interpretation of "green muck")
Give me a nice dish of fresh, wilted spinach in a sauce made of sauteed onions, garlic, lots of black pepper, melted cream cheese and a drop of lemon juice any day.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby AngrySquirrel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:57 am UTC

Is bitter a taste people actually enjoy?

I find far too many things taste bitter and I just don't understand why you'd eat that?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:14 am UTC

Bitter tastes I enjoy: Dark chocolate, unsweetened tea or coffee, some bitter salad dressings. Your experiences with bitterness/sharpness may vary.
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Postby Moo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:24 am UTC

AngrySquirrel wrote:Is bitter a taste people actually enjoy?

I find far too many things taste bitter and I just don't understand why you'd eat that?
I guess that depends on what you mean by bitter? I enjoy non-sweetened coffee, red wine, dark chocolate etc, but all of those are tastes I took time and effort to cultivate, they didn't taste good to me when I started. Red wine I kind of learned to like via osmosis/exposure; the other two I purposefully acquired as an alternative to their sugary counterparts for health reasons but now I enjoy very much (and can't stand the sweetened versions).

That kind of bitter?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby AngrySquirrel » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:40 am UTC

Uhm bitter is bitter? Coffee tastes more like coffee than bitter, unless its been standing for too long. Dark chocolate tastes predominantly like chocolate, with some bitter on the side. Red wine tastes mainly bitter, but with a hint of something else. Most non-dark beers tastes like bitter water, more so when not cold.

I guess the things I have an issue with is things that tastes more bitter than anything else? In my mind that's always been a taste I've sought to get rid of and not cultivate. A part of food that is there, I'd rather not have it be there, but for certain things I'll live with it being there because the other tastes are good enough that its worth dealing with. But then it seems people like that taste and want more of it?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby speising » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:04 am UTC

Like most kids, i didn't like Brussels sprouts when i was young, but i seem to have aquired a more refined palate in my age. Also radicchio.

Basically, food is just more interesting when it has a buquet of tastes, not just sweet and bland, like most kid's foods.
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Postby Moo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:35 am UTC

AngrySquirrel wrote:Uhm bitter is bitter? Coffee tastes more like coffee than bitter, unless its been standing for too long. Dark chocolate tastes predominantly like chocolate, with some bitter on the side. Red wine tastes mainly bitter, but with a hint of something else. Most non-dark beers tastes like bitter water, more so when not cold.

I guess the things I have an issue with is things that tastes more bitter than anything else? In my mind that's always been a taste I've sought to get rid of and not cultivate. A part of food that is there, I'd rather not have it be there, but for certain things I'll live with it being there because the other tastes are good enough that its worth dealing with. But then it seems people like that taste and want more of it?
Then I have no idea which situations or foods would prompt your question.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby New User » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:25 pm UTC

That septum in between the halves of a pecan nut is very bitter. When I think of pure bitter flavor, I think of that thing. I don't know anyone who enjoys it. But I also don't consider it food, since humans typically eat the nut, which is tasty.

I think some beers are too bitter. I especially avoid IPAs for that reason.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:27 pm UTC

Vodka is the worst tasting drink I have ever had. Rum is little better. Beer from a can is icky gross. Beer from a bottle when it's frou-frou and girly-girly fruity flavors or soda flavors is fine to me. Still bitter.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby doogly » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:16 pm UTC

Bitter is totally good. There is more and less bitter coffee - you can bright and acidic, or earthy and bitter, and I like it earthier. I like bitter beers (but with body to them, not like a west coast IPA.) Chinese bitter melons, which they have at the store and I should try making in my house, come to think of it.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:24 pm UTC

AngrySquirrel wrote:Is bitter a taste people actually enjoy?

I find far too many things taste bitter and I just don't understand why you'd eat that?

The mind has this interesting habit of making icky things that don't kill you tasty. So short answer, yes people enjoy bitter things.
For example, most coffee and dark chocolate are bitter, but you have managed to consume it as a tasty treat. You just have to gradually consume it and have repeated exposures. Just like how you come to enjoy alcohol or extra virgin olive oil or toast.

There's extra crap like how bitter stuff is good for you cuz antioxidants etc etc but that isn't nearly as important.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby dubsola » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:18 am UTC

I love bitter flavours. Bitter and sweet, or bitter and savoury. It's all good. I didn't like them when I was younger but now my tastebuds are totally up for it. Black coffee, black beer, chinotto, old fashioneds, rocket (or arugula if you so prefer), sorrel. Give it to me. I'm fine with it.

Also, sour. Mmm, sour. Sour beers, sour lemonade, all the sours. Yes.

AngrySquirrel wrote:I guess the things I have an issue with is things that tastes more bitter than anything else?

What are such things as these?

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Liri » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:32 pm UTC

A beer store I went to a few years ago had a hop vine growing outside, conveniently in bloom. I picked one and ate it - it felt like munching on an IPA with a touch of unpalatable plant. Surprisingly tender and salad-like though.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Quizatzhaderac » Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:31 am UTC

AngrySquirrel wrote:Uhm bitter is bitter?
Not really, no.

Our brains process unfamiliar bitter flavors very differently from new bitter flavors.
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Postby Liri » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:18 am UTC

I was reading about bitterants on wikipedia today, incidentally. The most bitter compound we know of can be detected at 0.04 ppm. Pretty sweet.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:27 am UTC

When I was 17, I accidentally swallowed a mug of leftover coffee that my dad had been using as an ashtray. (I thought it was my own, identical mug that was about equally full of equally dark grape juice, in a poorly lit room). Made me immediately nauseous. To this day, the slightest taste of coffee makes me feel sick. Sometimes even the smell of it. (Though sometimes coffee shops smell nice, and I don't know what makes the difference).

But I generally love lots of other bitter flavors, like dark chocolate. Something deep in my brain just got hard-wired that coffee taste = nausea from that first awful exposure.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby plytho » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:35 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:When I was 17, I accidentally swallowed a mug of leftover coffee that my dad had been using as an ashtray.
I'd forgotten the context of the discussion and thought you were about to share a very controversial opinion :shock:
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