Controversial opinions about food

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Moo » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:41 am UTC

(not in direct response to above post but rather whole above conversation)

Things in this thread that are on topic:
"I like x. I don't like y." Maybe even "I don't undestand why people like y".

Things that make you an asshole in this thread:
"I like x and therefor it is the only way and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong. I'll be over here judging you and telling you how wrong you are"
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:47 am UTC

It's not that you are a bad person because you like steak well-done. I mean, there are starving people and therefore there's not enough steak-quality cuts of beef to go around, and so any time you order a steak well-done you are basically just spitting in the face of all the people who have nothing to eat; so I guess it does make you a bad person if you eat steak well-done.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby speising » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:55 am UTC

I'd like to know the etymology of "well done", considering that that state isn't "well" at all, in most steak-conoisseurs opinion.
In spanish, according to my spanish class, it's "muy hecho", "very done". "En su punto" - "on point" is "medium".

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Thesh » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:11 am UTC

Well done comes from the 17th century before wells had stone walls around them. A cow would occasionally fall down a well where it would die and would contaminate the water. The peasants would fill the well with wood and burn it to clean the water, and then they would remove the "well cooked" cow and eat it.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby speising » Wed Feb 07, 2018 9:17 am UTC

Ah yes, that makes sense!

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby New User » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:07 pm UTC

If that etymology is true, then why is it that when I do something impressive, a witness might say, "Well done!"

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby AngrySquirrel » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:18 pm UTC

New User wrote:If that etymology is true, then why is it that when I do something impressive, a witness might say, "Well done!"

Cause you remind them of a well, dark and hollow on the inside, with maybe some water near the bottom. Possibly keeping the immortal spirit of a psychic child trapped, possibly a portal to another dimension.


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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Liri » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:22 pm UTC

My insistence on fully-cooked steak as a young child and my resulting inability to chew it up probably contributed a great deal to my kicking mammal and bird out of my diet. I don't regret it though.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby New User » Wed Feb 07, 2018 2:57 pm UTC

My somewhat controversial opinion is that beef is overrated. I haven't kicked mammals and birds out of my diet, but beef is a meat that I would be fine with never eating again. It's OK in tacos, but I prefer tacos made with chicken. Steaks are OK but pork chops are just as good, and fried chicken is one of my favorite foods. I like a hamburger every once in a while, but I can do without, and I've also had some wonderful substitutions for beef (such as veggie burgers). Other than the occasional burger, I typically only eat beef when it's an ingredient in soup (and I prefer chicken soup), lasagna or spaghetti sauce. So compared to other meats, beef is far down in my preferences.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:18 pm UTC

dubsola wrote:They can be ignored but I prefer to cook and eat a steak in front of them. I'd never do that to a vegetarian but it is kinda funny for the well done folks, they look horrified. As do I when they do the same

Meh, as a vegetarian I wouldn't mind if you did that in front of me.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby natraj » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:20 pm UTC

i feel like whether or not i care about people eating steak in front of me depends on the attitude they're doing it with like i 100% don't care about people eating meat in front of me but some Particularly Asshole People eat steak at me and that's... bizarre? weird and rude?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Zohar » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:26 pm UTC

I mean, if someone is trying to be an asshole towards me I might get bothered because they're trying to be an asshole, but their method of choice (eating meat) is not going to be very effective. I watch animal dissection videos on YouTube, that's probably more real-life gore than a lot of meat eaters are used to experiencing.

Edit: Perhaps I should clarify this is part of the (excellent) channel The Brain Scoop that reviews aspects of working at the field museum, and sometimes dissects specimens they receive.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby natraj » Wed Feb 07, 2018 3:34 pm UTC

oh yeah i mean like it's the asshole part that bothers me not the meat i've worked in ems and on a farm my gore tolerance is High i just don't like jerks. i have almost undoubtedly slaughtered more animal myself than most meat eaters in the us ever have i am not a Squeamish.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby commodorejohn » Wed Feb 07, 2018 5:54 pm UTC

New User wrote:My somewhat controversial opinion is that beef is overrated. I haven't kicked mammals and birds out of my diet, but beef is a meat that I would be fine with never eating again. It's OK in tacos, but I prefer tacos made with chicken. Steaks are OK but pork chops are just as good, and fried chicken is one of my favorite foods. I like a hamburger every once in a while, but I can do without, and I've also had some wonderful substitutions for beef (such as veggie burgers). Other than the occasional burger, I typically only eat beef when it's an ingredient in soup (and I prefer chicken soup), lasagna or spaghetti sauce. So compared to other meats, beef is far down in my preferences.

There is no substitute for a really good hamburger. Just none. Immutable law of the universe.

Though I agree that chicken is a fine choice for tacos/fajitas.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Pfhorrest » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:30 pm UTC

All meats are generally overrated.

Not that I'm a vegetarian per se, and plenty of dishes made of meat taste good, but I totally would not miss meat at all if all meat were suddenly replaced with vegetarian alternatives.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby JudeMorrigan » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:07 pm UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:And I'm not even someone who really cares about (or hardly ever eats) steak. But when I do, I want it done well. And also slathered in A1. I tried it "the right way" first, and as usual, most people are just self-righteously wrong.

YMMV and all that, but I am reminded of the first time I ate at a fancy-schmancy French restaurant. The meat course was beef tenderloin and despite the fact that I generally preferred my steaks medium-well, I went ahead and ordered it medium rare since that is What You Do in a place like that. The first bite of that genuinely high quality steak genuinely properly-cooked was transformational. It was a genuine, "oh. Ok. *Now* I get the whole deal with steak" moment.

So maybe you just haven't had the right steak yet!

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:52 am UTC

Pfhorrest wrote:All meats are generally overrated.

Not that I'm a vegetarian per se, and plenty of dishes made of meat taste good, but I totally would not miss meat at all if all meat were suddenly replaced with vegetarian alternatives.

Sometimes I go through long periods of not eating meats. Sometimes I eat them a lot... sometimes I lust and crave for them? Ooh. ANYWAYS: I am a vegan and I still: Sinfully naughty bad like lust and crave for meats on occasions. I just... want to say that in support and also contradictory statements re: your feels about meats.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby dubsola » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:04 am UTC

Moo wrote:(not in direct response to above post but rather whole above conversation)

Things that make you an asshole in this thread:
"I like x and therefor it is the only way and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong. I'll be over here judging you and telling you how wrong you are"

Like pineapple on pizza, I do say these words but don't truly mean them. To each their own, honestly.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ameretrifle » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:51 pm UTC

Moo wrote:(not in direct response to above post but rather whole above conversation)

Things in this thread that are on topic:
"I like x. I don't like y." Maybe even "I don't undestand why people like y".

Things that make you an asshole in this thread:
"I like x and therefor it is the only way and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong. I'll be over here judging you and telling you how wrong you are"

Ugh, I know. I'm aware it's said in jest like 90% of the time but it bugs the shit out of me. You are literally arguing about taste, the stupidity of this has literally been an axiom for literally thousands of years

It's like people are desperate for something it's "OK" to harass people about now that most of the old standbys are verboten. We could also just... not harass people...?

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:30 pm UTC

ameretrifle wrote:
Moo wrote:(not in direct response to above post but rather whole above conversation)

Things in this thread that are on topic:
"I like x. I don't like y." Maybe even "I don't undestand why people like y".

Things that make you an asshole in this thread:
"I like x and therefor it is the only way and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong. I'll be over here judging you and telling you how wrong you are"

Ugh, I know. I'm aware it's said in jest like 90% of the time but it bugs the shit out of me. You are literally arguing about taste, the stupidity of this has literally been an axiom for literally thousands of years

It's like people are desperate for something it's "OK" to harass people about now that most of the old standbys are verboten. We could also just... not harass people...?
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Ginger » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:52 am UTC

Well, as someone who gets routinely, criticize by others because of her difficult to fulfill their words not mine dietary "restrictions" I find Moo's and ameretrifle's insights poignant and on topic. You don't have to judge and be vengeful about your tastes to not enjoy some foods. And when peoples tell me, "How do you know a vegan lady is at your dinner party? Don't worry she'll complain." Joke again and again... it just makes me solidify my opinions re: the jerky judging of people's foods and drinks tastes and distastes.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby natraj » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:46 pm UTC

dubsola wrote:
Moo wrote:(not in direct response to above post but rather whole above conversation)

Things that make you an asshole in this thread:
"I like x and therefor it is the only way and anyone who disagrees is doing it wrong. I'll be over here judging you and telling you how wrong you are"

Like pineapple on pizza, I do say these words but don't truly mean them. To each their own, honestly.


yeah. i mean, in the very first post of this thread, literally the #1 opinion that began this Controversial Opinions thread was nath saying that "I think some cuts of steak are best cooked to medium or (gasp) beyond." and it prompted exactly zero people to judge and tell how wrong he is because the majority of people here are not genuinely doing that. in ongoing banter-style threads like this i have a tendency to assume that people are being lighthearted and respond in kind to whatever the tone a poster has taken is, so if someone is taking a Ridiculously Fierce Absolutist Position on a Trivial Topic i will in good faith initially assume they are joking and will also joke around with them.

but i mean if you want to just straight up call people assholes that works too, to each their own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby Angua » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:44 pm UTC

I am going to throw this into the mix, as growing up I didn't even realise it was weird until I found out literally no one else does it:

soy sauce on kraft mac and cheese. Om nom nom. I miss boxed mac and cheese in the UK - you can get it in the Caribbean section but it's pretty expensive so I don't very often.

Soy sauce also goes well on popcorn. You have to be careful not to overdo it, or you end up with soggy popcorn.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby New User » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:09 pm UTC

The mac and cheese one sounds good and I might try it sometime. I think soy sauce is pretty tasty but I haven't tried it with a lot of foods.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby natraj » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:24 pm UTC

i have not tried soy sauce on popcorn but now i want to. i am a big fan of putting All Kinds Of Things on popcorn. curry & maple syrup. paprika and rosemary. chili lime. sesame oil and szechuan peppercorn. i don't really like movie theatre popcorn but i do like popcorn with many other thing.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby sardia » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:53 pm UTC

Angua wrote:I am going to throw this into the mix, as growing up I didn't even realise it was weird until I found out literally no one else does it:

soy sauce on kraft mac and cheese. Om nom nom. I miss boxed mac and cheese in the UK - you can get it in the Caribbean section but it's pretty expensive so I don't very often.

Soy sauce also goes well on popcorn. You have to be careful not to overdo it, or you end up with soggy popcorn.

Hmm, I'm sure there's a powdered umami you could use. How about msg? Alternately, you could do a dried soy sauce/fish sauce. It turns into salt crystals that still have essence of the original stuff.

As for the taste stuff of judging others? It usually comes from a good place. Like I like 'good' things, and my friends/family should like it too. It clashes when good things from each side mix. Like I have a friend who professes to be a great cook, but insists on using powder spice packets and jarred sauces. Normally I would understand that they're busy, and can't make things from scratch, but how dare you criticize my fettuccine alfredo. She's from an old school cooking where everything is done by slapdash family recipes, and never incorporating the latest techniques and scientific principles.
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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby ameretrifle » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:56 am UTC

sardia wrote:You guys can torture your friends and family with terrible food, but it doesn't mean others should suffer terrible food unnecessarily. I get trying to be polite and all but some stuff isn't worth it.
sardia wrote:TLDR We don't speak anymore about food.

...Not only have you never had anything cooked by me, but I have not espoused a single opinion about food yet in the entirety of this thread; so you know literally nothing about how or even if I cook, and yet you are already quite certain I am terrible at it... because... I said people shouldn't be jerks... so I guess that means I must be in league with the Evil Steak-Charrers or something...? I mean, I usually go medium to medium rare these days, but if there's a free hat or something...

...Yeah, I would like to be added to your Do Not Talk About Food list, thanks.

(but I'm sure you were just talking like an asshole, not actually being one)

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby nicholasbrooks » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:40 pm UTC

natraj wrote:i have not tried soy sauce on popcorn but now i want to. i am a big fan of putting All Kinds Of Things on popcorn. curry & maple syrup. paprika and rosemary. chili lime. sesame oil and szechuan peppercorn. i don't really like movie theatre popcorn but i do like popcorn with many other thing.


Another great combination is to drizzle butter on popcorn, sprinkle lawrys seasoning salt, salt, and chili powder.

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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Postby freezeblade » Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:37 pm UTC

sardia wrote:Hmm, I'm sure there's a powdered umami you could use. How about msg? Alternately, you could do a dried soy sauce/fish sauce. It turns into salt crystals that still have essence of the original stuff.


There's a spice shop here that makes "umami sea salt" (https://oaktownspiceshop.com/collection ... i-sea-salt) which contains black garlic and shiitake mushrooms, and is a-ma-zing on popcorn. I also enjoy any of their "rubs" on popcorn, like their Yucatan spice rub. (https://oaktownspiceshop.com/collections/blends).

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