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Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:32 pm UTC
by Quercus
Moo wrote:Garlic and onions are both hardly ever worth the added prep effort

As someone whose favourite flavour is probably garlic, and who was scandalised that a risotto recipe they saw recently didn't include onion (and promptly added onion when making it), I disagree with you quite strongly (which I guess is the point of this thread).

Edit: I also want to thank you - I was musing on hummus flavours earlier, and this has put the idea of roast garlic hummus into my head, which I haven't made for ages and want to make again.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:06 pm UTC
by AngrySquirrel
commodorejohn wrote:Avocados: the most pointless "food" on Planet Earth. Empty, tasteless filler glop that looks like it should be served to inmates at a maximum-security prison in Alpha Centauri.

That's just wrong.

Also properly prepared onions are vital to all stews and soups.

Garlic doesn't taste much anymore, but that might just be me getting numb. They do smell delicious though.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:13 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
You're right - that was a wildly unfair statement on my part.

Maximum-security prisons in Alpha Centauri treat their prisoners better than that.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:45 pm UTC
by Wednesday
Moo wrote:Garlic and onions are both hardly ever worth the added prep effort

I'm close to agreeing with you - but I buy pre-diced garlic and generally put it into everything relevant by the giant spoonful. Chopping onions in a motorcycle helmet is usually worth the lulz, and it doesn't hurt that they both smell amazing when sweating together in the pan, which garners even more cheffy complements.

But in terms of flavor I kinda hate onions unless pretty specifically prepared. Garlic is just annoying and sticky, but tasty.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:07 am UTC
by natraj
there would be significantly less joy in my life without garlic and onions they are the source of so much delicious flavour and happiness.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:29 am UTC
by ahammel
Julia Child wrote:It is hard to imagine a civilization without onions.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:08 am UTC
by Liri
ahammel wrote:
Julia Child wrote:It is hard to imagine a civilization without onions.

I like it.

One of my favorite food-moments from a book was in Holes when the starving kids come across the onions and eat the heck out of them. One of my favorite Realityscape food-moments was on a 6-day backpacking trip with a friend. Our stove wasn't working so it had been Rawville, NC the whole time, including a couscous dish with raw carrots, onion, garlic, parsley, and olive oil. There was a huge anvil-head t-storm cloud off in the valley beneath us, too, while we ate.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:07 am UTC
by Bakemaster
Most pizza joints use at least twice as much cheese as they should on their pizzas.

Most pizza is kind of disgusting if you take the time to think about it.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:53 am UTC
by commodorejohn
The bad pizza joints I'm familiar with, it's less "too much cheese" and more "not enough anything else" - parodies of thin-crust pizza with paper-thin smears of tomato paste and pepperoni that might reach a micron thick.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:18 am UTC
by AngrySquirrel
Things are, in general, too salty.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:33 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
AngrySquirrel wrote:Things are, in general, too salty.


Amen.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:52 pm UTC
by Sandry
heuristically_alone wrote:
AngrySquirrel wrote:Things are, in general, too salty.


Amen.

Thirded.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:07 pm UTC
by trpmb6
You all are getting a little too salty about the amount of salt in food.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:44 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
It's because you are what you eat.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:55 pm UTC
by Peaceful Whale
I grew up with a mother that loved salt. In fact, if their was any recipe that said, "add salt to taste" she very well might have thought it meant, "add salt until that's all you can taste." By comparison, everything else really isn't that salty.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:29 pm UTC
by poxic
Mom went all health foody in the '70s so I'm used to low-salt stuff. I usually cut the salt in half for most recipes.

And yet anything packaged as "Half the Salt" or wetf still manages to taste like ass in a mud puddle.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:32 pm UTC
by Quercus
My SO likes everything really salty - she has to use about 1/4 of the salt she would add "to taste" for the food she cooks not to be unbearably salty to me.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:59 am UTC
by dubsola
Bakemaster wrote:Most pizza joints use at least twice as much cheese as they should on their pizzas.

Most pizza is kind of disgusting if you take the time to think about it.

Now you're talking controversy! Even bad pizza is still pretty good.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 12:12 pm UTC
by New User
For me, it's the bread that makes the pizza. A good pizza is a good bread with stuff on it. A bad pizza is nasty bread with stuff on it. The stuff on top could ruin a pizza also, but its importance is secondary to the quality of the bread.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:22 pm UTC
by trpmb6
Wood fire pizza with a tavern style thin crust is the best pizza. A hint of smokey flavor and you're in heaven.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:28 pm UTC
by freezeblade
New User wrote:For me, it's the bread that makes the pizza. A good pizza is a good bread with stuff on it. A bad pizza is nasty bread with stuff on it. The stuff on top could ruin a pizza also, but its importance is secondary to the quality of the bread.

+100000

Seriously though, list most important to least important, for quality, on "how to make a good pizza":
  • Crust (Sourdough preferred, yeasted acceptable, but must be cold fermented at least 24 hours either way)
  • Sauce (Must be properly seasoned, tomato-y and FFS not sugary)
  • Cheese (Eh. Don't use too much, and at least get real cheese, not "cheese food")
  • Toppings (As long as they're not moldy? it's really not that critical, I use pizza as a fridge cleaner, so whatever's around)

Edit: Somehow I forgot what's most important! Attention paid to how it's baked. Oven must be hella hot (500F+), pizza should be baked on a properly pre-heated stone (ceramic or thick baking steel acceptable, I use clay tile), at most parchment paper can go between hot stone and pizza. when done bottom of pizza should have some dark brown spots where it was thinner, and only the highest bubbles on the top should be slightly charred. No burnt cheese, plz.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:45 pm UTC
by Liri
What about... a bit of cornmeal on top of the stone

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:20 pm UTC
by freezeblade
Liri wrote:What about... a bit of cornmeal on top of the stone


Acceptable (semolina is ok as well), however in a home oven, that is asking for more cleanup, and it's super hard to get that cornmeal out of the cracks and crevasses of the oven.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:55 pm UTC
by Wednesday
And then you get more than that slight char flavor mentioned above, it's just bad news bears if you're using a home oven for it.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:27 am UTC
by dubsola
Pizza stones are awesome. Ever since I got one my home pizzas have been so much better. I put it in the oven, and turn it on to it's max setting, put the kids to bed, then start preparing my pizza. By the time the pizza goes in, the oven and stone is as hot as they're gonna get.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 5:29 pm UTC
by Zohar
Why aren't your kids allowed pizza?

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:21 pm UTC
by Liri
The kids.... are the pizza

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:55 pm UTC
by speising
"How to serve kids pizza"

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:51 pm UTC
by Thesh
It's people! Children are made out of people!

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 4:48 am UTC
by Bakemaster
ATTENTION

BACK TO CONTROVERSY PLEASE

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:09 am UTC
by dubsola
Zohar wrote:Why aren't your kids allowed pizza?

Because they lost the little league game. Pizza is for winners.

Don't tell me what to do Bakey!

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:47 pm UTC
by Zohar
dubsola wrote:
Zohar wrote:Why aren't your kids allowed pizza?

Because they lost the little league game. Pizza is for winners.

Can't argue with that.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:08 pm UTC
by moody7277
Bakemaster wrote:ATTENTION

BACK TO CONTROVERSY PLEASE


Pineapple on pizza is not as bad as everyone/the meme says it is.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:53 am UTC
by heuristically_alone
Pizza would taste better with only the toppings.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:23 am UTC
by dubsola
moody7277 wrote:Pineapple on pizza is not as bad as everyone/the meme says it is.

It really isn't.





It's worse.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:33 pm UTC
by poxic
I've heard that Canada invented the ham-n-pineapple pizza (and you're welcome), but the first time I had it was in Hawaii as a tyke. I loved the hell out of it.

Still would if 90% of the ingredients didn't have it out for me now.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:50 pm UTC
by pkcommando
moody7277 wrote:Pineapple on pizza is not as bad as everyone/the meme says it is.

Under the following conditions, yes:
- Bacon, not ham. And I'm talking big, thick pieces of bacon that have that perfect balance of chewy and crunchy.

- Pineapple is used as a topping, only. The layer of pineapple should not be thick enough to form a secondary, proto-crust.

Re: Controversial opinions about food

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 1:47 pm UTC
by Bakemaster
heuristically_alone wrote:Pizza would taste better with only the toppings.

I can't tell what you're suggesting would be omitted from the pizza, since pizza is a cooked dough with toppings. Do you mean pizza would be better as a cheesy, saucy, soupy casserole? Or are you suggesting the removal of sauce and/or cheese? Sauce-less pizza is a thing. Cheese-less pizza is both a struggle and an insult but is also a thing.