Which Religious War is the most important

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Which Religious War is the most IMPORTANT and MEANINGFUL and YOU GUYS THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS

Mac vs. PC
13
7%
Nintendo vs. Sega
3
2%
C vs. C++
10
5%
Windows vs. Linux
18
9%
Linux vs. BSD
6
3%
Xbox vs. Playstation
2
1%
Star Trek vs. Star Wars
11
6%
ST:TOS vs. ST:TNG
2
1%
Kirk vs. Picard
5
3%
QWERTY vs. DVORAK
9
5%
Vi vs. Emacs
25
13%
Wayland vs. Mir
1
1%
Nvidia vs. AMD
1
1%
x86 vs. ARM
9
5%
Android vs. iOS
7
4%
Java vs. C#
1
1%
GNOME vs. KDE
2
1%
Firefox vs. Chrome
8
4%
Google vs. Bing
1
1%
Ninjas vs. Pirates
0
No votes
Python 2 vs. Python 3
7
4%
Math vs. Physics
11
6%
Octopi vs. Octopuses
13
7%
This one
20
10%
None of above/other, please specify
7
4%
 
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Neil_Boekend » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:11 am UTC

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby mousewiz » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:10 pm UTC

Windows vs Linux and Star Wars > Star Trek were my clear picks.
I debated between the emacs > vi option and 'other' for #3, but settled on 'other'.

I went with 'other' because I never want to hear 'char' pronounced like 'charred remains' ever again. Genocide against those people. I can tolerate 'car', but I would prefer those people add an 'e' to the end of their pronunciations.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Xenomortis » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:36 pm UTC

So you eschew two pronunciations that have at least a modicum of sense for one that has none?
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby scarecrovv » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:04 am UTC

Xenomortis wrote:So you eschew two pronunciations that have at least a modicum of sense for one that has none?


mousewiz is exactly correct. "char" is short for "character". The first four letters of "character" are pronounced identically to "care", and therefore the only acceptable pronunciation for "char" is "care". The only exception might be if you're British, and then only if "character" is pronounced "car-acter" rather than "care-acter" in a British accent (I don't know if this is the case).

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby phlip » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:50 am UTC

Trufax: I can't pronounce "character" as though the first syllable was "care" without sounding like I'm doing a massively overwrought and probably offensive stereotype of a New York accent. I just can't do it.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Thesh » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:37 am UTC

When I try it, I usually come off as sounding like someone with a Californian accent. There is only one way to pronounce char and that is in a pirate accent like k'arrr!
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Xenomortis » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:12 am UTC

scarecrovv wrote:mousewiz is exactly correct. "char" is short for "character". The first four letters of "character" are pronounced identically to "care", and therefore the only acceptable pronunciation for "char" is "care". The only exception might be if you're British, and then only if "character" is pronounced "car-acter" rather than "care-acter" in a British accent (I don't know if this is the case).


There is no accent I know of that would make the first syllable of "character" match "care".
Maybe there's some extreme American accent I'm not familiar with.

For instance, the first syllable of "character" is pronounced "kah" by almost every single person I know.
Maybe someone a little over the top on their accent might make it "car", but that would be very unusual.
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Jplus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:35 am UTC

I'm not a native speaker so my intuition might not be worth a lot, but to me it seems that the 'r' in "character" is actually part of the second syllable: cah-rack-ter.

That said, I pronounce "char" as in "charred" because that makes most sense when you read it as a standalone word.
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby phlip » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:54 pm UTC

Jplus wrote:I'm not a native speaker so my intuition might not be worth a lot, but to me it seems that the 'r' in "character" is actually part of the second syllable: cah-rack-ter.

That's a common feature of non-rhotic accents.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Whizbang » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:58 pm UTC

I pronounce it "care"acter, as does everyone I know. I was born and raised in Utah and moved to New Hampshire when I was 16 (now 31). I have never heard it "car"acter. That just sounds weird.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby ahammel » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:59 pm UTC

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Xenomortis » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:25 pm UTC

phlip wrote:
Jplus wrote:I'm not a native speaker so my intuition might not be worth a lot, but to me it seems that the 'r' in "character" is actually part of the second syllable: cah-rack-ter.

That's a common feature of non-rhotic accents.


FWIW: I've spent most of my life in the West Country and still know nobody that puts the r in the first syllable.
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Jplus » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:51 pm UTC

phlip wrote:
Jplus wrote:I'm not a native speaker so my intuition might not be worth a lot, but to me it seems that the 'r' in "character" is actually part of the second syllable: cah-rack-ter.

That's a common feature of non-rhotic accents.

No, based on what I read on Wikipedia the feature of non-rhotic accents appears to be that they pronounce the [r] at all. Which seems to be true of everyone posting here (except that linking R/intrusive R is only about word endings, so it isn't really relevant).

What appears to be different between me and most others here (excluding Xenomortis) is that I consider that [r] to be part of the second syllable (cah-rack-ter), not the first (care-ack-ter).
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby phlip » Thu May 01, 2014 4:15 am UTC

Non-rhotic accents won't pronounce an R that appears after the vowel in a syllable... "Linking R" is a thing where if you have an R at the end of a syllable, but the next syllable doesn't have any consonants before the vowel, instead of the R being dropped, it moves into the next syllable. So, for instance, if I say the word "bear" alone, I don't pronounce the R, but if I say "bear invasion", I do pronounce the R, but as part of the "in-" syllable, so it's closer to "bear rin-va-sion". It's subtle, but it's definitely how those word-sounds come out of my mouth-parts.

The same thing happens within the word, in "character"... a rhotic accent will split it "char-ac-ter", a non-rhotic accent will split it "char-ac-ter", while a non-rhotic accent with linking R will split it "cha-rac-ter".

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Jplus » Thu May 01, 2014 7:27 am UTC

Alright. I do pronounce syllable-final [r], though. Like, in "bear" and "car", I do have a distinctive r at the end.
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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Nyktos » Thu May 01, 2014 3:14 pm UTC

The first syllable of "character" sounds like "care" in my accent, but pronouncing the C data type like just sounds bizarre. I had a prof who did that and it grated on my ears. "Char" is a real English word; it may not have much to do with the type in C, but "character" is a pretty poor name for an eight-bit integer type too. (Though I guess there are languages like Java which have an actual character type called "char"...)

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby mousewiz » Thu May 01, 2014 3:58 pm UTC

Nyktos wrote:The first syllable of "character" sounds like "care" in my accent, but pronouncing the C data type like just sounds bizarre. I had a prof who did that and it grated on my ears. "Char" is a real English word; it may not have much to do with the type in C, but "character" is a pretty poor name for an eight-bit integer type too. (Though I guess there are languages like Java which have an actual character type called "char"...)

Fortunately, char isn't an 8-bit integer type, so I will continue to pronounce it 'care'.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Nyktos » Thu May 01, 2014 4:29 pm UTC

mousewiz wrote:Fortunately, char isn't an 8-bit integer type, so I will continue to pronounce it 'care'.
That's true; the standard doesn't require it to be eight bits. It's still an integer type, though, and wholly unsuitable for storing characters.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Flumble » Sat May 03, 2014 3:13 pm UTC

Judging from the past n replies (I'll leave the , the pronunciation of char is clearly the most important religious war. :roll:

Also, my 2 cents: I haven't seen the 'phonetic' spelling of char as ker (or kɛr or kær) previously. Or is cah/kah above supposed to be pronounced like that? Either way, care is too long or too much of a diphthong in most dialects to be a valid pronunciation of char (unless you really pronounce it that way, but then you're invalid yourself).
3rd cent: I and everyone in my environment pronounce it as the char in charcoal because of reasons and tradition. But if I'm to defend the position, I'd go with the fact that a char is yet another arbitrary integer type and holds a character in only a handful of cases.

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Re: Which Religious War is the most important

Postby Wildcard » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:03 am UTC

troyp wrote:
Jplus wrote:BBEdit/TextWrangler easily beats them. Admittedly that software has been around for quite long as well, but some of the killer features have been added relatively recently.

snortrofl...BBEdit? Okay, I'm not a Mac user, so I haven't used it, but...BBEdit?? A proprietary editor that works on a single (proprietary) flavour of unix? Yeah, that has a future. Still, it must be great for scripting, because it has almost twenty user-created extensions!

I used TextWrangler with great joy before I learned anything about the command line.

Now, I'd go with Vim every time.

Still, for a decently computer-literate Mac user who's not going to code anything, TextWrangler is at least far far better than TextEdit.
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