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Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:37 pm UTC
by Dthen
EDIT: Wait. Is this forum meant just for computer stuff? :$ Oops. maybe it should be in SB? Not sure where it should go now.
So ... I need this settled. It's important. I think witches are better and cooler.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 7:56 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
Wizards make for much better sweet '70s album covers.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:01 pm UTC
by Deva
Varies by work. Refers to witches as female wizards sometimes (see: Harry Potter and Diablo. Attaches rogue status to the latter, however). Encompasses all magic-users in one instance (see: Sabrina the Teenage Witch). Specializes in potion brewing fairly often (see: Macbeth, Legend of Zelda, Looney Tunes, and The Emperor's New Groove).

Who did an impossible, unexplainable thing? A wizard. Usually resides in towers, as opposed to huts. Maintains a better physical appearance too. Voted accordingly.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:58 pm UTC
by Echo244
Deva wrote: {Wizards} Maintains a better physical appearance too. Voted accordingly.


Disagree, or at least, it's possible to pick out many counter-examples. Rincewind and Radagast, compared to Willow and Tara from Buffy, and the Halliwell sisters from Charmed?

Correlates strongly with cultural tendencies to slander the physical appearance of women in possession of power, wisdom or authority.

Votes Witches. More likely to spend a life in one place serving a community's needs, rather than building absurd towers or wandering around looking to preserve hereditary monarchies.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Fri May 06, 2016 10:25 pm UTC
by Deva
Echo244 wrote:Disagree, or at least, it's possible to pick out many counter-examples. Rincewind and Radagast, compared to Willow and Tara from Buffy, and the Halliwell sisters from Charmed?

Correlates strongly with cultural tendencies to slander the physical appearance of women in possession of power, wisdom or authority.

Acknowledges that witches and wizards fail to fall into separate groups of appearance. Modeled more than some after The Wicked Witch of the West, however. Places many villains in positions of power. Disfigures them sometimes. (Pretties up some villains too. Lacks a good read here.)

Votes Witches. More likely to spend a life in one place serving a community's needs, rather than building absurd towers or wandering around looking to preserve hereditary monarchies.

Objects. Lives reclusively quite often. How can you serve a community deep in a swamp or forest? Ignores the heavy skew towards evil too. Cites TVTropes again.

Views wizards as neutral, morality-wise. Finds both good and evil.

Also, this:
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Can a witch compete in coolness?

Edit: May need to define the difference between "wizard" and "witch". Can you be a wizard and a witch? Are witches a subset of wizards? Usually thinks of evil female magic-users as witches, evil male magic-users as warlocks, and any magic-user as a wizard. Attaches a potion-specialization to witches and warlocks too. Describes evil magic-users as wizards still.

Note: Realizes that not all witches fit under that definition.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:46 pm UTC
by Dthen
That is a good point. I think for this to be meaningful we do indeed need to determine what makes a witch a witch, what makes a wizard a wizard and which witch is which.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 2:06 pm UTC
by karhell
Deva wrote:Can a witch compete in coolness?

Yes.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 3:07 pm UTC
by Sizik
We've all heard of computer wizards. What are computer witches like?

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:16 pm UTC
by commodorejohn
Sizik wrote:We've all heard of computer wizards. What are computer witches like?

I'm trying to picture this. I can't actually nail it down, but it sounds like a terrific concept for a character in something-or-other.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 4:24 pm UTC
by HES
Sizik wrote:We've all heard of computer wizards. What are computer witches like?

Witches are girls, and girls can't do computers, duh.

[/sarcasm][/misogyny]

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 5:14 pm UTC
by Flumble
Sizik wrote:We've all heard of computer wizards. What are computer witches like?

I hope they're more likeable. I've grown to dislike wizards.

Well, except for that one computer wizard. That'll never grow old:
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Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:37 pm UTC
by ucim
Dthen wrote:That is a good point. I think for this to be meaningful we do indeed need to determine what makes a witch a witch...
If... she weighs as much as a duck?

Jose

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:49 pm UTC
by Zohar
Discworld witches >> Discworld wizards. Witches are more approachable. Local. Familiar. Necessary in their parts. Obviously witches.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:32 pm UTC
by KnightExemplar
Deva wrote:Can a witch compete in coolness?


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Baba Yaga is the epitome of a witch, and is pretty damn cool. She's basically a cranky old grandmother... a powerful witch with "Godfather" like connections across the world and spirit realms.

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Sorcerers are probably the coolest though. Along the line of Sorcerers is Lina (Slayers anime), Maleficent, Morgan le Fay (King Arthur), and Jafar (Disney's Aladin)

Edit: May need to define the difference between "wizard" and "witch". Can you be a wizard and a witch? Are witches a subset of wizards? Usually thinks of evil female magic-users as witches, evil male magic-users as warlocks, and any magic-user as a wizard. Attaches a potion-specialization to witches and warlocks too. Describes evil magic-users as wizards still.


Pathfinder has Wizards are prepared casters who read from books, and learn the spells of the world. Sorcerers are those with magic running through their blood (usually born with the gift), and as such only know a limited selection of spells that are connected with their blood innately. Less about study, and more about "knowing your own powers". Witches brew potions and have cats / familiars to assist them in casting spells.

Which would make Gandalf a Sorcerer, and Harry Potter a witch. So that doesn't quite work outside the Pathfinder setting. But the Wizard / Witch distinction you mention is basically Harry Potter's interpretation.

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 1:54 am UTC
by EvanED
KnightExemplar wrote:Baba Yaga is the epitome of a witch, and is pretty damn cool. She's basically a cranky old grandmother... a powerful witch with "Godfather" like connections across the world and spirit realms.
And also the inspiration for maybe the best music of anyone mentioned in-thread. :-) (Harry Potter may be a close second...)

Re: Witches Vs. Wizards

Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:27 am UTC
by commodorejohn
EvanED wrote:
KnightExemplar wrote:Baba Yaga is the epitome of a witch, and is pretty damn cool. She's basically a cranky old grandmother... a powerful witch with "Godfather" like connections across the world and spirit realms.
And also the inspiration for maybe the best music of anyone mentioned in-thread. :-) (Harry Potter may be a close second...)

While I can't in any way refute that (but give me the ELP version!) I do have to stick up for wizards here, who have inspired tons of great music themselves. '70s hard rock, prog, and metal would be but shadows of themselves without them.