Kirby54925 wrote:(Mods, I made this new topic because the previous topic concerns QWERTY and Dvorak, but I want to see the differences between Colemak and Dvorak. Feel free to merge this if you want.)
scootwhoman wrote:I had never heard of the Colemak layout until today, while doing an Ubuntu install, where I saw it listed among the options for keyboard layout. I finally was able to look at the actual layout at the Colemak site, and compare it with the Dvorak. It does not appear significantly different from the QWERTY, which indicates to me that the layout is not based on an analysis of the factors involved.
My guess, and from the FAQ at colemak.com, that mainly this factor is how similar it is to QWERTY.Random832 wrote:Or it could mean that they considered a factor that Dvorak did not.
EvanED wrote:My guess, and from the FAQ at colemak.com, that mainly this factor is how similar it is to QWERTY.Random832 wrote:Or it could mean that they considered a factor that Dvorak did not.
It lists some other benefits it has over Dvorak, but my guess is that a Dvoark proponent could come up with an equal and probably bigger list in favor of Dvorak, and he would dismiss the "similarity to QWERTY"/"ease to learn if you know QWERTY" metric as being unimportant.
Random832 wrote:My point was, "similarity to QWERTY" does not necessarily mean that it wasn't done in a scientific manner; but it's something that might result from one of the desired features being that people who already touch-type on QWERTY can learn it quickly (something that I don't believe Dvorak took into account)
The modifications to dvorak you pointed out, on the other hand, are geared exclusively towards making it minimally possible to build a physical dvorak keyboard by rearranging the keytops of a U.S. QWERTY keyboard.
I believe any layout that was designed for improving the typing (whether it be in performance, stress reduction, movement reduction, etc) is a better choice than qwerty. However, once you've gone from random keys to something that was intelligently designed, the differences between the intelligently designed layouts are slim. (dvorak vs colemak vs whatever else)Sonic wrote:I don't think there's a good enough reason for anyone who can touch type in one layout to switch to another.
Roĝer wrote:For me a more relevant statistic is whether a lay-out supports accented characters. The standard US dvorak doesn't support dead keys, only the swedish variant svorak does. In the end I have switched back after years of dvorak because my very, very specific needs of special characters were only supported by the Danish lay-out in KDE.
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If you're generally happy with Dvorak, you should probably stick with it.
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JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:Another reason is the hyphen and the slash. Personally, I use hyphens and underscores all the time for file names. Some people who prefer Colemak over Dvorak mention the letter L and how it "kills their pinky". But what about the hyphen? It is much easier to reach on Dvorak -- simply move your right pinky one space to the right. And in Colemak? I think that kills my pinky.
JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:it has the ability to use two Japanese deadkeys next to the spacebar for custom shortcuts and letters, I also use it when I type in Spanish. Move my left thumb to the left a bit and press A, and I get "á". That kind of thing.
JapanYoshiTheGamer wrote:I'd like to address the "Shortcut Key Problem". Since I didn't touch-type in QWERTY, I feel the transition from one-hand shortcuts (Ctrl-ZXCV) to two-hand shortcuts. I know subconsciously the key with my right middle finger moving up is "C", and I don't want to move my hands so much from the home position. In my opinion, I think shortcut keys on Dvorak are even superior to QWERTY's.
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