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Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby HPDDJ » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:58 pm UTC

Which browser do you prefer? Is either browser better than the other? If I'm using the 'fox, should I switch over, or not?

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby semicolon » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:00 pm UTC

Opera!

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Ptolom » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:08 pm UTC

3 words Firefox Firefox Firefox. Keep the faith in firefox. I'm all for keeping an open mind but there's no way anything can compete with firefox. And if anyone tells me it's just a browser... and also I can't fucking type at the moment :x :x

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby toshiro » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:15 pm UTC

There's no real competition, since there's only a windows version. I'll take a look at it once it's out for OS X.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby mat-tina » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:16 pm UTC

I was going to try it out, but there is no Windows 2k version. Ah, well. I'll wait.

When the linux version is released, I'll give you an answer on whether I will keep it or not. That said, a lot of the features are revolutionary, so I hope they will be implemented in Firefox at some point.

And what's this crap about not using a Javascript VM previously? I would have thought that at least FF had one, since the whole chrome* system is based on XUL.

*Google Chrome is a crappy name. Searching for "firefox + chrome" is bound to fail, I presume.

EDIT: Oh, and also I'm addicted to Ubiquity, so it needs to be really awesome for me to change for good.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby ashadocat » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:18 pm UTC

I prefer Firefox because of the addon support and the fact that it's overall more mature. once chrome supports an extensive list of addons (ie: stumbleupon) and works on linux I'll probably switch to chrome (although I don't like the bsd license)
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby wst » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:22 pm UTC

Calling it chrome is conflicting with some of the Fx background stuff isn't it?
Also, I like Ubiquity on Fx.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby mat-tina » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:27 pm UTC

wst wrote:Calling it chrome is conflicting with some of the Fx background stuff isn't it?
Also, I like Ubiquity on Fx.

Yes.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Cheese » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:35 pm UTC

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby EdgarJPublius » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:50 pm UTC

it seems to me that Chrome is a lot more of a direct competitor with Opera than Firefox.
It's a light weight, minimalist browser with a lot of the same feel as Opera, but without addons it can't compete with Firefox.
I'll be sticking with Firefox as my primary browser, but I might just switch Opera out for Chrome as my back-up/light-weight browser of choice.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Rippy » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:00 pm UTC

Thing about Chrome is,

a) Obviously, no ad blocking
b) Google gets to log every webpage you visit. It's in the fine print.

For those reasons, I'm hesitant. I mean, I hear it's fast and nice-looking, but it's obvious that the goal of this thing is to get more people seeing ads and get more information with which to target ads. Hell, they could conceivably alter the google ads you see depending on what sites you visit.

I likes my firefox with AdBlocker and all sorts of other purdy extensions.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby mat-tina » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:07 pm UTC

Rippy wrote:Thing about Chrome is,

a) Obviously, no ad blocking
b) Google gets to log every webpage you visit. It's in the fine print.

For those reasons, I'm hesitant. I mean, I hear it's fast and nice-looking, but it's obvious that the goal of this thing is to get more people seeing ads and get more information with which to target ads. Hell, they could conceivably alter the google ads you see depending on what sites you visit.

I likes my firefox with AdBlocker and all sorts of other purdy extensions.

From what I gather (here), you can turn off all information logging.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Cheese » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:19 pm UTC

mat-tina wrote:
Rippy wrote:Thing about Chrome is,

a) Obviously, no ad blocking
b) Google gets to log every webpage you visit. It's in the fine print.

For those reasons, I'm hesitant. I mean, I hear it's fast and nice-looking, but it's obvious that the goal of this thing is to get more people seeing ads and get more information with which to target ads. Hell, they could conceivably alter the google ads you see depending on what sites you visit.

I likes my firefox with AdBlocker and all sorts of other purdy extensions.
From what I gather (here), you can turn off all information logging.
You can, but this shows (once again) that behind the wonderful people at google lie some really quite nasty accountants and lawyers. And in front of them too. Hell, some of them are probably in the same bodies. Anyway, my point is that most of the populace won't bother, either because they don't know, they don't know how, or they don't know why.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby wölfdale » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:42 pm UTC

i like chrome, however there is some sort of Java breach not sure what thats all about. Firefox is a fad. much like Swatches or balloon pants. i like how it has spell check built in and i actually like it because it doesn't have all those stupid add ons Firefox tries to push all the time. you never know what is in add ons, i just uncheck the box that sends stuff to Google and enjoy the speed increases it gives me over IE. It is geared for Java which is where the web is headed so Google is just ahead of the curve for right now, i am sure Firefox and IE 8 will have copy cat ideas from chrome and visa versa.

EDIT: I do not like how i cannot middle click to scroll i have to use the wheel, i don't know how this was overseen.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby mat-tina » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:59 pm UTC

[quote="wölfdale"i like how it has spell check built in[/quote]
Firefox has a spell checker built in.

and i actually like it because it doesn't have all those stupid add ons Firefox tries to push all the time.

It only does that if you keep going to http://addons.mozilla.org all the time.

you never know what is in add ons

I know.

It is geared for Java which is where the web is headed

Javascript.

so Google is just ahead of the curve for right now, i am sure Firefox and IE 8 will have copy cat ideas from chrome and visa versa.

Yes, open-sourcing makes everyone like this: :mrgreen:.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby wst » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:17 pm UTC

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I'll stick with opera, kthx. I might download Chrome to see what's different about it, but I expect I'll be sticking to the big red O.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Red Hal » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:20 pm UTC

I wouldn't touch Chrome with a bargepole: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03 ... ula_sucks/
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Postby pseudoidiot » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:31 pm UTC

Red Hal wrote:I wouldn't touch Chrome with a bargepole: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03 ... ula_sucks/


Except, you know, this.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Not an Evil Robot » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:31 pm UTC

Cheese wrote:
semicolon wrote:Opera!
QFT!

I'll stick with opera, kthx. I might download Chrome to see what's different about it, but I expect I'll be sticking to the big red O.

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Postby robinberghuys » Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:53 pm UTC

I'm liking chrome. It has that quick dial thing, but it works much better than the firefox one. Also, it's supposed to be less of a memory hog. Which I think I can notice, but that might be a placebo effect. It also looks nice and I like the way it handles tabs. It's like everything I like about firefox without having to download extensions.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby TheMagicalTurtle » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:14 pm UTC

Chrome is a beta and should be treated as such. It can't even operate standard dropdown menus at the moment.

I'll use it occasionally as an alternate browser, but I certainly won't be switching from my fully customized Firefox.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby The Hyphenator » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:18 pm UTC

Tough one. On one hand, Firefox 3 has been using more memory than Firefox 2 for me. :? On the other, I couldn't possibly leave Adblock, Ubiquity, etc.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

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Postby bbctol » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:01 am UTC

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby wst » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:08 am UTC

V8 - slower than Firefox's new TraceMonkey Java renderer. http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.a ... chromes-v8
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby hotaru » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:38 am UTC

i prefer the one that doesn't crash when you type :% in the address bar.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby marcas » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:46 am UTC

wst wrote:V8 - slower than Firefox's new TraceMonkey Java renderer.


Javascript, dude. Javascript.

Anywho, I like the tab bar in place of the title bar to save a few pixels at the top but could do with the status bar. Can't explain why but the interface just seems nicer and easier than the other browsers (oooh, animations..). The tab management is very smooth. Took me a while to cop how to dock the bookmarks toolbar though.

I currently use firefox religiously with opera as fallback but this could displace opera for me and I'd hope the link on the google homepage might eat into internet explorers share. It's nice and clean compared to my firefox setup with lot of extensions but I needed them back after a while.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Xanthir » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:28 am UTC

Hehe, had some fun just now opening up an html document with nothing but a link to about:%. Merely hovering your mouse over the link crashes Chrome. Strangely enough, just having a link to :% doesn't crash on hover (but as noted, it does crash if you type that into the addressbar).

FF3 is my browser at work for the forseeable future, because I use a large number of addons in the course of my daily business. However, I've already switched over to using Chrome at home, and I like it.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby enk » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:06 am UTC

I like its sleekness but after a little while, all my firefoxy goodness brings me back home.

wölfdale wrote:EDIT: I do not like how i cannot middle click to scroll i have to use the wheel, i don't know how this was overseen.


QFT


hotaru wrote:i prefer the one that doesn't crash when you type :% in the address bar.


Hahaha.... not just the crash, but also the localized error message, which said something roughly translated as "Oh my God. Chrome has crashed. Do you want to restart?" but the omg-part was something in Danish only an adult would say to a small child. Can't translate it properly. What does it say in English?
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby phlip » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:26 am UTC

"Whoa! Google Chrome has crashed. Restart now?"

As for me, I'm waiting for the controversial "royalty-free license" clause in the EULA to officially disappear before I start looking into Chrome properly (I know they say they'll get rid of it retroactively, but I want to be sure)...

But I pretty much live in Greasemonkey, so I don't imagine I'll be switching to Chrome any time soon.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Solt » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:51 am UTC

I read the comic and found the rational behind the unique changes they made to be pretty interesting. Chrome does things differently technically, like giving each tab its own process so one tab crashing doesn't crash the whole browser and so there are absolutely no memory leaks. There are also some good interface ideas like the single bar for search and URLs and the way a new tab actually does something helpful instead of opening to your home page every time.

Things are still obviously broken. One thing I noticed is that the feature where there's a yellow outline over whatever control is the current focus also applies to URLs. This means that in gchat, whenever you tab between chat windows if there is a URL somewhere in the chat history it will automatically scroll up to highlight that URL. Annoying but hey, it's a beta and I like the reasons why they built the browser so I'm trying it out.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby enk » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:06 am UTC

phlip wrote:"Whoa! Google Chrome has crashed. Restart now?"


Ah... This is good too but I like the Danish one better :lol:


Solt wrote:giving each tab its own process so one tab crashing doesn't crash the whole browser

Except for the :% thing apparently. As it's a beta I'm not going to say it sucks just because of this, but it is a little strange how it can happen in the first place.


Solt wrote:There are also some good interface ideas like [...] the way a new tab actually does something helpful instead of opening to your home page every time.

Looks like someone should get a useful home page.
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Postby phlip » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:16 am UTC

enk wrote:Except for the :% thing apparently. As it's a beta I'm not going to say it sucks just because of this, but it is a little strange how it can happen in the first place.

Well, there's a process for each tab, and if that crashes, then everything else is supposed to survive (and the tab becomes about:crash)... but there's also a master process that coordinates everything... and I guess it also handles things like the omnibar. If that master process crashes, it's going to take down everything.

The design's such that if there's a bug in the HTML renderer, or the JS engine, or whatever, the most damage it can do is take out the tab... a bug in Chrome itself can still take out the whole browser if it happens to be in that master process.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby Solt » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:20 am UTC

enk wrote:
Solt wrote:There are also some good interface ideas like [...] the way a new tab actually does something helpful instead of opening to your home page every time.

Looks like someone should get a useful home page.



There's no website I use over and over and over again except a search engine and that is taken care of by the search bar. As the comic points out, I open a new tab to go places.


Also, I can scroll down but not up. Anyone else have that problem?


phlip wrote:The design's such that if there's a bug in the HTML renderer, or the JS engine, or whatever, the most damage it can do is take out the tab... a bug in Chrome itself can still take out the whole browser if it happens to be in that master process.


Right. The thinking behind that is that you can hunt down every last bug in Chrome but never in the rendering/scripting layer.
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby phlip » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:32 am UTC

Solt wrote:Also, I can scroll down but not up. Anyone else have that problem?

There was someone in the other thread that was having a similar problem... it works fine for me, though.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby xulaus » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:11 am UTC

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QFT!

I'll stick with opera, kthx. I might download Chrome to see what's different about it, but I expect I'll be sticking to the big red O.

QFT'd again!

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby ian » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:19 am UTC

I’ve pretty much changed to chrome now. Loving the GUI and much quicker. Only annoying this is no adblock, all the other FF extensions I had I either don’t need with chrome (tabmix plus) or they are built in automatically (download bar/incognito-stealth), apart from colorzilla, which I’m not too bothered about.
Haven’t had any problem pages or items yet though, might change back if that happens. Or if adverts start annoying me.

Actually I still haven’t got FF3, might update tonight and see how it runs.

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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby hotaru » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:11 am UTC

google chrome is actually pretty slow at javascript if you use a test not made by the webkit folks or google...
http://celtickane.com/webdesign/jsspeed2007.php

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but it is faster than IE...
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby xulaus » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:25 am UTC

I dont know what some of those UA's are, heres a list for folks that don't know browser UA's.

Google chrome 0.2
hotaru wrote:Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13

After wikiing I found out this one is Firefox 3.1
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Opera 9.52 (I love the UA, yet another reason to use Opera)
hotaru wrote:Opera/9.52 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en)

This one is Safari, I think, could be KHTML
hotaru wrote:Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Safari/525.21

And of course Microsoft Internet Explorer 8
hotaru wrote:Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0; Trident/4.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.30618)
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Re: Firefox 3 v.s. Google Chrome?

Postby OOPMan » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:40 am UTC

Opera, thanks.

Chrome seems decent enough and runs okay in my VMWare instance, but I'll stick with Opera thanks. (I really hope DragonFly gets some more love though, since it would be nice to dump FF for development completely. Except I'd have to use of for compatibility testing anyway. *sigh*)
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