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Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:33 pm UTC
by philsov
always. I played too many flight sims when I was younger that for anything in first person, it's inverse or I simply fumble around the place and likely die.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 4:08 am UTC
by Cheshire_Cat
I would say no, as for flight sims I use a Joystick (for military sims) and used to use a yoke and pedals (for civvy sims [read as- sitting in front of autopilot as you potter across the atlantic]). I used to invert on consoles, but after a break from the world of FPS/TPS I found myself returning to find inverting alien to me. So no it is (as I don't use a mouse for flight sims)

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:27 am UTC
by some kid
Never Inverted. I grew up playing continuum http://getcontinuum.com/ for years, not until Call of Duty:4 did I delve into fight sims, it felt better pushing forward on the controller to move my view up. I suppose it is because I see the controller as the link in between my self and the one I am controlling. Since most games have you looking upwards as you run forward it also felt more comfortable to push both left and right analog stick forward compared to one back and one forward.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:00 am UTC
by jahwn lemonjello
I think that up should be up and down should be down (I don't play many computer games; when I do I do non.)

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:12 am UTC
by Xanthir
I have *finally* gotten myself retrained onto non-inverted, since several games I have recently bought only allow me to invert the Y, not the X. Inverting a single axis is clearly batshit insane, so I just bit the bullet and remade my reflexes.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:29 pm UTC
by Stay_Puft_marshmallows
oddly enough I don't invert with a mouse and keyboard but I do invert with a console controller.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:10 pm UTC
by Oktalist
Mouse inverters, do you also have the y-axis inverted when using the mouse for its original purpose of directing a pointer arrow to select widgets in a desktop GUI ;)

But seriously, "directing a pointer to select widgets" is so close to "directing a crosshair to select what to shoot at"; that's why I can't understand inverting the mouse. I have friends who played a lot of Duke3D in the past, so they still invert now, which is a major pain when playing hotseat style, taking turns on one PC and having to keep toggling the option.

I would've voted "only on flight sims" but... who uses a mouse to fly a plane? :shock:

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:51 am UTC
by hotaru
Oktalist wrote:I would've voted "only on flight sims" but... who uses a mouse to fly a plane? :shock:

in most flight sims i've had any experience, there's only one y-axis setting that applies to both mouse and joystick.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:29 pm UTC
by Oktalist
Playing a flight sim with a joystick, I think pushing forwards to pitch down can correctly be called non-inverted, because that's obviously how it works in a real plane.

And I gotta agree with mousewheel scroll down to select next weapon, up to select previous, just like selecting next or previous page/paragraph/line/whatever in a document.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:28 pm UTC
by headprogrammingczar
I prefer wheel-up/down to be zoom, so if I am sniping, wheel-up to zoom in, wheel-down to zoom out.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:27 pm UTC
by Welsh Mullet
I don't invert, that is, i play up is up. I hate it when up is down, even when it's just for flying. Really throws me off. Just got BF:BC2 for the xbox, and i know its different with sticks, but i could not fly a chopper inverted.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:43 am UTC
by ZeroSkulleton
You all fail it. Inversion is more realistic.

When looking up, you pull your head back. When looking down, you push it forward. Not the other way. Nod a few times Up and Down, and then Left to Right, and you'll see why Inverted Y-Axis is the way to go.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 10:48 pm UTC
by Unbeliever
Flight sims only. I don't care if you think it's more "realistic" when the y-axis is inverted. I'm used to playing with it normal, and I don't care to take the time to switch to inversion. There's no point. It doesn't magically make the game easier or anything.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:20 pm UTC
by rhetorical
I have never used inverted.

Disclaimer: I use a Logitech Trackman, so that may influence me in some way.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 3:58 pm UTC
by Aiwendil42
I've always inverted. Non-inverted seems extremely counter-intuitive to me, and I am simply unable to adapt to it. Actually, back in the days of Doom and Heretic I think I didn't use the mouse at all, just the keyboard.

It's worth noting that when you move the mouse 'up' on the Y-axis, you're not actually moving anything up - you're moving the mouse forward. The mouse never moves up and down, just side to side and forward - bakcward. So it's not a matter of 'mouse up = look up' or 'mouse up = look down' (in which case the latter really does seem illogical); it's 'mouse forward = look up' vs. 'mouse forward = look down'. And to me, at least, forward/down seems to more closely match real life - if I wanted to look at something on the ground, I'd probably move my head slightly forward and downward, while if I wanted to look at something in the sky, I'd tilt my head back.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:11 pm UTC
by Welsh Mullet
But you move your field of view, and eyes, up.
That's how i think of it anyway.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:12 pm UTC
by phantom16
I use to play without it being inverted, but then i started playing some shooter on the N64, and it could only be played inverted (there was no option to reverse it) so i just got used to it. Now i only plat inverted because it is what i have become used to playing.

and whenever someone who doesn't plat inverted asks me how i do that because, "when i press up i want to look up" they would say. i tell them that i look at is to similar to flying, and if you lift the back of your head up, you look down. shuts them right up :-)

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 5:56 pm UTC
by BobTheElder
(inverted) it feels to me like a matter of logic, and I can't see how people can use it any other way, but they obviously can, so I don't think there can be a right/wrong way... i'd be curious to see if I could learn to do it the other way. Not curious enough to actually try, but w/e.... :p

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:09 pm UTC
by tetsujin
I don't even think of it as "inverted". Every time some game asks me if I want to invert the Y-axis, I have to second guess myself. "No, I want pitch control to work normally" - except that my idea of "normal" and everyone else's don't agree...

The basic contradiction, as others have mentioned, is that even when Y is "inverted" (push forward = pitch down), X rarely is (push left = yaw left). The "Y-inverted" system is a lot more self-consistent if X corresponds to roll, not yaw - that way the top of the stick and all the control directions correspond to the first-person "up", and the direction you move the stick is the direction you tilt. But most games don't use roll. Even most flying games don't... Players don't want to make coordinated turns, they just want to "go that way"...

I just hope they leave the inverting option in there, and keep it convenient. That way we can all be happy.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
by fooliam
I don't invert, mostly because I'm just used to the non-inverted mouse movements. It doesn't make any more or less sense to me, I just can't be bothered to re-train myself to an inverted y-axis.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 12:20 am UTC
by Xanthir
Well, I've successfully retrained myself to be uninverted on both axes, simply because I've been playing several games that only give a y-axis toggle. As long as my fingers can handle things without my brain having to care about it, I'm happy.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:55 am UTC
by phider2
I used to invert on an analog stick, but not on a mouse, until one of those "you're WRONG" people told me not to invert. I tried it and got the hang of non-invert within 10 minutes or so, and now I can't go back. However, for flight sims (with a joystick) I still invert.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:33 am UTC
by meatyochre
Always invert. Used to drive my college buds crazy when we would take turns playing Halo. And I invert Y for world of warcraft, I've been playing that way for 5 years now. Nothing else makes sense to me.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:29 am UTC
by phider2
To all the Y-invert people: How many of you have actually put any effort into trying the non-invert? I used to ALWAYS invert, but then I just tried it the other way, playing on easy mode until I got used to it. It only took about 10 minutes of playing to get used to it, and if I ever switch back to invert it takes a few minutes again, but I can get used to it.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:47 am UTC
by Plankton
Flight sims and Mechwarrior games only. (Although Ace Combat barely qualifies as a simulator) Inverting the Y axis on anything else just feels odd. Incidentally, my friend always plays console FPS games with the Y axis inverted, and yet he has the audacity to label me a bizarre deviant.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 1:56 pm UTC
by Xanthir
phider2 wrote:To all the Y-invert people: How many of you have actually put any effort into trying the non-invert? I used to ALWAYS invert, but then I just tried it the other way, playing on easy mode until I got used to it. It only took about 10 minutes of playing to get used to it, and if I ever switch back to invert it takes a few minutes again, but I can get used to it.

I've tried. I can get kinda-used to it if I spend 15 minutes with it, but I'll still usually slip up.

I'm much less religious about x-invert. I do prefer inverting x as well, but I can live with non-inverted after some practice. The important thing is just that the game is *consistent* in how it handles the axes. If it inverts for one view and doesn't for another, I'll be fucked *the entire game*.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:32 pm UTC
by Obby
phider2 wrote:To all the Y-invert people: How many of you have actually put any effort into trying the non-invert? I used to ALWAYS invert, but then I just tried it the other way, playing on easy mode until I got used to it. It only took about 10 minutes of playing to get used to it, and if I ever switch back to invert it takes a few minutes again, but I can get used to it.


I try frequently when I play with friends. I don't want to make them sit through my scrounging through the options menu to hunt for the "Invert" option, so I give it a shot usually for a little while. After a few minutes I give up because it's just so awkward to me, and have to pause the game and find the option.

I invert Y axis all the time, and X axis when the camera is outside the body.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 8:41 pm UTC
by MHD
I only invert on Joypads. Really if I play an FPS on a console system without inverted Y, I fail so hard you'll all laugh your butt off. But on PC I never invert.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 5:53 pm UTC
by P13808
The y-axis always feels weird to me either way. Thus I just adjust to whatever is default after a few minutes.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 9:38 am UTC
by Noblesaur
There is something so inherent and natural about the inverted-y on flight simulators (they have it that way for a good reason methinks).

However, with almost every other game, I strongly prefer the standard y-axis, it just seems to make more snese for some reason. :?

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:26 pm UTC
by HarvesteR
I never invert. Even on Flight Sims...

To me, anything done using the mouse must mimic the mouse cursor movement, so to aim up, I move the mouse up.
On flight sims this is less of a matter since I use my joystick... but if by some reason I'm forced to use the mouse, it makes more sense to me if I'm pointing where the aircraft should point it's nose at than trying to mimic yoke/stick movement with the mouse.

To me the mouse is always a pointing device, and using it in any other way feels weird...

Cheers

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:52 pm UTC
by sam_i_am
I voted invert, but then the question said "mouse" and i never invert when i'm using the mouse. only for analog stick.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:10 pm UTC
by Роберт
Crappy poll has no correct answer for me so I'm abstaining.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:11 pm UTC
by Iranon
Depends on the game and whether vertical mouse movement usually feels like "aiming/pointing equipment" or "looking/aligning myself".
So what I pefer may depend on level design as much as the engine... I can adjust to either though.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 1:14 am UTC
by Derek
Never invert if I'm using a mouse. If it's third person camera controls on a gamepad, it depends on how the camera is positioned. The closer in it is, the more it feels like first person and therefore not inverted. If it's further out, it feels like moving the camera, so both axes are inverted. But more often than not, not inverted.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:22 pm UTC
by tkbx
Flight only. Having grown up on flight games, y-invert feels natural there, but anywhere else it just gets confusing.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:59 pm UTC
by Dataflashsabot
Flight: Invert Y, always
Mouse&Keyboard, first person: Normal
Mouse&Keyboard, third person: I don't, I grab a gamepad
Gamepad, first person: Invert Y only
Gamepad, third person: Invert Y, Invert X (That is, moving the right stick left should let me see to my character's left)

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:59 am UTC
by Eseell
I go with whatever the default is. There are a handful of modern games that have inverted controls enabled by default, and I just get used to it for that game. This drives some of my friends crazy if we're playing hot-seat multiplayer games. The exception is that if it's a flight sim then of course it's inverted, because I'm using a joystick.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:24 am UTC
by Eomund
For me, up is up and down is down. Its the only way to play.

Re: Gamers: The inverted Y-axis poll

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:18 am UTC
by AvatarIII
My girlfriend was playing Ratchet and Clank HD the other day, and asked me to help her on a bit, only for me to discover, it had both inverted Y and inverted X!!! as default!!! I had to change both in the settings to even attempt to help.

Her reason for not minding was that because it is 3rd person, the inverted controls controlled the camera so up moved the camera up (and therefore the view down) and left moved the camera left (and therefore the view to the right).
There is some logic to that, but when you have played a lot of FPSs it seems backwards, because you can essentially imagine the camera being close and close to the character's head, why would the controls suddenly flip when you reached the character's head?

As for inverted Y in flight sims, that makes sense because you are essentially using the joystick to tilt the plane, pulling left brings the left wing down and therefore banks left, vice versa for right, pushing forward pushes the nose down, and pulling back pulls the nose up.