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Postby Jessica » Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:44 pm UTC

I need to exercise. I'm overweight, and I'm taking massive amount of hormones which have been known to cause blood clots. My doctor bitches at me every time I see him, and I need it to stop. Did I mention overweight?

I could stand to eat better, and I need the drive to actually exercise.

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I need the drive. I need to find something I'll do everyday.
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Postby rachel » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:04 am UTC

You could start with small changes. Drink loads and loads of water (which will make you have to pee forever, but that's okay), or park at the back of the parking lot so you're forced to walk further to get to the store. Take stairs over elevators whenever you have the option. Gradually change your eating habits, if your eating habits are terrible. It's not easy to go from potato chips and candy all the time to healthy food, so eliminate the bad elements from your diet one-by-one. Don't keep bad foods in the house, but keep pre-portioned fruit or veggies around for snacking. Slowly work up to a regular exercise routine. You can start off going walking M/W/F and then when you feel comfortable doing that, change it to every day or every week day and then gradually add in other things like weights or push-ups or whatever. Little changes don't seem like much at first, but they start to add up.
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Postby Jessica » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:07 am UTC

Right. Starting monday, I'll catch the elevator on the 4th floor, and move from there.
I also need to force myself to make lunch. I shall make 5 lunches on sunday for next week.
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Re: mutter mutter mutter

Postby apricity » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:23 am UTC

Do you have a desk job? If so, this could help. Instead of swordfighting as you compile, you can do butt squeezes!

There are a ton of unconventional fun exercises you could try. Juggling is fun! Walking is easy, although I know how it can get boring if you don't live in the most exciting of areas. But you could drive somewhere a few miles away and just start walking and exploring. Also, cooking real food is doubly good: if you make it yourself, chances are it'll be better for you without all the added preservatives and sodium and whatnot of prepackaged food; and you have to stand up, chop things, walk around the kitchen for ingredients, and other stuff that gets you more active.
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Postby pollywog » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:46 am UTC

rachel wrote:You could start with small changes. Drink loads and loads of water (which will make you have to pee forever, but that's okay), or park at the back of the parking lot so you're forced to walk further to get to the store.


2 things here.

1: Is drinking lots of water good for you? My mum told me (she is a nurse) that she sometimes looks after people that do this, and get quite sick because they lose a lot of sodium or become over hydrated. How much is too much. (I'm assuming that you are a personal trainer/nutritionist, and can tell me)

2: Parking at the back is a really good way to introduce walking into your life. When I was learning to drive, I'd always park as far away from the stores as possible, because there were less cars parked there and I'd have a smaller chance of hitting them. Then I had to walk about 700m to get to the mall/department store. That's an extra 1.4 km right there.
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Postby Jessica » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:47 am UTC

I love juggling! but, i don't really find it physically demanding.

But, I'll totally take a look at the desk job exercises. thanks!
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Postby rachel » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:52 am UTC

pollywog wrote:1: Is drinking lots of water good for you? My mum told me (she is a nurse) that she sometimes looks after people that do this, and get quite sick because they lose a lot of sodium or become over hydrated. How much is too much. (I'm assuming that you are a personal trainer/nutritionist, and can tell me)


No, I'm not a nutritionist, but I can tell you. You'd have to drink a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day every day to acheive overhydration. As long as you're putting out more water (in the form of sweat, urine, etc) than you're taking in, you're good. I drink about 100 ounces of water a day, which isn't even a gallon, and is more than the recommended amount of water to drink a day (which is 64 ounces). You'd have to drink 32 eight-ounce glasses of water a day on a regular basis to acheive overhydration. I don't think it's much of a risk. People who acheive overhydration usually have either an eating disorder or a pre-existing kidney or liver disorder that effects their body's disposal of water .
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Postby Token » Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:52 am UTC

Find yourself a measurable objective. If your goal is just to get fit, you're going to run into motivational difficulties when it turns out to take much longer than you first thought. If, however, your goal is to run from point A to point B without stopping, then you'll notice improvements every time, and you'll have the goal to push yourself further every day - make it to the lamp post without taking a break, and then beyond the next tree, etc. When you finally do the whole thing, you actually feel good about yourself. Then you push the boundaries - take the long way round, or try and make it to point C. While you should be pleased every time you meet a target, you should never be satisfied with not pushing yourself further.

There is also one very important rule when it comes to exercise: no excuses. If, at the start, you say you are going to do something every morning, Monday to Friday, then you damn well do it every morning. If you've got a hangover and feel like it'll make you throw up, well, that's a lesson in the evils of drink. You do it anyway. If you plan on doing 20 minutes on a treadmill in the gym, you do the full twenty minutes. If you can't do it at the pace you first thought, well, that's fine. You misjudged, and you'll know better next time. Take the pace down, but finish the twenty minutes. Always, always finish what you started.
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Re: mutter mutter mutter

Postby pollywog » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:00 am UTC

rachel wrote:
pollywog wrote:1: Is drinking lots of water good for you? My mum told me (she is a nurse) that she sometimes looks after people that do this, and get quite sick because they lose a lot of sodium or become over hydrated. How much is too much. (I'm assuming that you are a personal trainer/nutritionist, and can tell me)


No, I'm not a nutritionist, but I can tell you. You'd have to drink a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day every day to acheive overhydration. As long as you're putting out more water (in the form of sweat, urine, etc) than you're taking in, you're good. I drink about 100 ounces of water a day, which isn't even a gallon, and is more than the recommended amount of water to drink a day (which is 64 ounces). You'd have to drink 32 eight-ounce glasses of water a day on a regular basis to acheive overhydration. I don't think it's much of a risk. People who acheive overhydration usually have either an eating disorder or a pre-existing kidney or liver disorder that effects their body's disposal of water .


Ok. I just had to go through and convert all those units. So you'd have have to drink about 4 litres a day, and I drink about 750ml, which is about half what you drink.
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Postby Token » Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:10 am UTC

rachel wrote:
pollywog wrote:1: Is drinking lots of water good for you? My mum told me (she is a nurse) that she sometimes looks after people that do this, and get quite sick because they lose a lot of sodium or become over hydrated. How much is too much. (I'm assuming that you are a personal trainer/nutritionist, and can tell me)


No, I'm not a nutritionist, but I can tell you. You'd have to drink a gallon and a half to two gallons of water a day every day to acheive overhydration. As long as you're putting out more water (in the form of sweat, urine, etc) than you're taking in, you're good. I drink about 100 ounces of water a day, which isn't even a gallon, and is more than the recommended amount of water to drink a day (which is 64 ounces). You'd have to drink 32 eight-ounce glasses of water a day on a regular basis to acheive overhydration. I don't think it's much of a risk. People who acheive overhydration usually have either an eating disorder or a pre-existing kidney or liver disorder that effects their body's disposal of water .

The amount you drink per day is less relevant than the rate at which you are drinking. Drinking 8 pints over the course a day is unlikely to hurt. Drinking 8 pints in ten minutes will make you seriously ill.
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Re: mutter mutter mutter

Postby justaman » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:02 pm UTC

The thing about overhydration and nurses is that... in hospitals they often hook you up to a drip and pump you full of fluid, which doesn't contain much sodium and seeing as you typically aren't doing much while lying in bed feeling sorry for yourself, you are urinating out all this fluid and with it a hell of a lot of sodium (the kidneys are great, but not even 90% efficient at reclaiming critical salts) making you overhydrated and under-natriated, to coin a word. Basically nurses should adjust their drips to a bit of a slower rate, it really isn't necessary to be taking in 500ml/hour.
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Postby Token » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:56 pm UTC

justaman wrote:The thing about overhydration and nurses is that... in hospitals they often hook you up to a drip and pump you full of fluid, which doesn't contain much sodium and seeing as you typically aren't doing much while lying in bed feeling sorry for yourself, you are urinating out all this fluid and with it a hell of a lot of sodium (the kidneys are great, but not even 90% efficient at reclaiming critical salts) making you overhydrated and under-natriated, to coin a word. Basically nurses should adjust their drips to a bit of a slower rate, it really isn't necessary to be taking in 500ml/hour.

This post becomes infinitely better when you realise it's basically a long-winded version of "Yeah... your MOM overhydrates people."
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Postby pollywog » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:21 am UTC

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justaman wrote:The thing about overhydration and nurses is that... in hospitals they often hook you up to a drip and pump you full of fluid, which doesn't contain much sodium and seeing as you typically aren't doing much while lying in bed feeling sorry for yourself, you are urinating out all this fluid and with it a hell of a lot of sodium (the kidneys are great, but not even 90% efficient at reclaiming critical salts) making you overhydrated and under-natriated, to coin a word. Basically nurses should adjust their drips to a bit of a slower rate, it really isn't necessary to be taking in 500ml/hour.

This post becomes infinitely better when you realise it's basically a long-winded version of "Yeah... your MOM overhydrates people."


Technically, he overhydrated himself, and my mother gave him the salts which he needed because he was drinking a liter of water every 20 minutes or whatever (don't know the actual amount). But yeah, on the whole Your Mom jokes are pretty funny.
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Re: mutter mutter mutter

Postby ZeroSum » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:42 am UTC

On the topic of overhydration: 2 liters in a sitting is dangerous. 2 liters over the course of a day is healthy.

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pollywog wrote:1: Is drinking lots of water good for you? My mum told me (she is a nurse) that she sometimes looks after people that do this, and get quite sick because they lose a lot of sodium or become over hydrated. How much is too much. (I'm assuming that you are a personal trainer/nutritionist, and can tell me)

Pft. The likeliness of a seminary person getting hyponatremia is pretty bloody small, though we're talking about the dilution of sodium here. If you're drinking 10+ liters a day, sure, it's possible. It's more likely to occur in athletes who are sweating out a lot of salts though.
I tend to drink about 6-10 glasses of water a day (closer to 10 on a Thursday when I'm racing, less when I've not raced recently or am not racing that weekend), but when riding endurance events you typically add additives which contain sodium, magnesium, and other salts, to prevent hyponatremia.
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Postby pollywog » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:35 am UTC

I suppose I should add now that the person she told me about was on a lots-of-water diet for health reasons (to flush out evil taniwha and kehua) so he could well have been drinking 10 liters a day.
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Postby Masuri » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:18 am UTC

One comment on the 'park at the back' philosophy.

Only do this if you're leaving work during daylight hours, especially if you are female. No matter how good the area is where you live, parking lots are prime pickings for muggings. I work in a pretty nice area and we've still had some issues where I work. So, be cautious.

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justaman wrote:The thing about overhydration and nurses is that... in hospitals they often hook you up to a drip and pump you full of fluid, which doesn't contain much sodium and seeing as you typically aren't doing much while lying in bed feeling sorry for yourself, you are urinating out all this fluid and with it a hell of a lot of sodium (the kidneys are great, but not even 90% efficient at reclaiming critical salts) making you overhydrated and under-natriated, to coin a word. Basically nurses should adjust their drips to a bit of a slower rate, it really isn't necessary to be taking in 500ml/hour.


My natural response is to swear at you.

As it is, I'll tell you that you sound like a complete idiot. You can't put hypotonic IV solution into someone. Your red blood cells asplode!
You have to put normal saline. Say it with me now N-O-R-M-A-L...or just as osmotic as your blood.

Also, your kidney has a recovery rate on sodium of 99%....even higher when you're dehydrated.

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Postby Jessica » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:10 pm UTC

Update on my "exercise".
I'm forcing myself to run up the first 4 floors in my building to get to my floor (on the 19th).
I've currently hit a wall... litterally. The stairway I've found only goes to the 4th floor, so I have to find the other stairs which go higher, so I can actually increase my activity.

Still need to make lunch, haven't done that yet.

We'll see how this helps. It probably won't. I really don't want a gym membership, as I hate change rooms, but I might have to get one anyway. Same with swimming. I love swimming, but I hate change rooms.
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Postby justaman » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:51 pm UTC

Don't try to flame me, I know all about normal solutions (0.9% NaCl), I use them just about every day. However it is common practise to administer hypotonic solutions (you can get down to about 0.6% without damage) to patients in hospital (especially children and elderly), leading to hyponatremia... here is one ref PEDIATRICS Vol. 111 No. 2 February 2003, pp. 227-230. Patients on IV saline should be monitored for loss of electrolytes, but aren't always.

Also personal experience in hospital, definitely too much fluid for me, no-one should be urinating approx 700 ml/hr, esp if you are sedentry in a hospital bed, fluid pools in the body, leading to dilution of the sodium levels in localised areas, which can lead to problems. You need to move quite a lot to be able to pump the blood and fluid back through the body via the venous/lymphatic system, just try a long haul flight (>4 hours) and see what I mean.

Also note loss of other electrolytes is also a problem.

Anyway, off topic.

Keep it up Gharbad, if you take the bus or train, try getting off one stop earlier and walking from there.

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Postby Amarantha » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:34 am UTC

Gharbad wrote:I really don't want a gym membership, as I hate change rooms, but I might have to get one anyway. Same with swimming. I love swimming, but I hate change rooms.


If you have a gym near your home, you don't need a change room. Change at home, walk/drive/bus/etc to gym, work out, return home, shower in the comfort of your own bathroom.

Also, fitness DVD's are surprisingly cheap. If you have a telly and a DVD player and a little floor space, you can do like dance workouts and yoga and stuff at home.
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