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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Lazar » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:32 pm UTC

cphite wrote:New posts is on the right side of the page.. at least, it is on the AllanStyle-SUBSILVER theme...

Oh, cool. I didn't think to look over there.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Felstaff » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:43 pm UTC

Our gloriously high-resolution image...
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...is now cut off by the banner title (screen maxed after desktop/tablet breakpoints), so it looks like we're a low-budget European WiFi provider called Echocham if you're on Prosilver, and Echochambe if you're on anti-skub.

I suggest replacing it with my own image!

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...as well as setting the image container's width a little wider.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Felstaff » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:51 pm UTC

There's also the fact that my first post in this thread shows up on my posting history, but the one I just made (elevate your eyes upwards by roughly 21°) does not show up there, and neither does this one.

It's almost as if the post was coming from inside the house.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Magnanimous » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:55 pm UTC

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Soupspoon » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:00 am UTC

Here's an actual issue that I'd like to report. I just tried using the superscript tag and it didn't work. I used the button (above this 'ere textbox) and it looks like it should do in forum-markup form, but doesn't 'super' the script in preview/when actually posted.

Just checking all those described by the buttons (you don't have the [table] tag, so I can't use that to make it look better), and the ones that don't seem to be optimal/operational are:

[bibliography]Bibliography[/bibliography] seems not to work (but I don't know the format).

[imath]Imath[/imath] and [math]Math[/math] tags may work (but I don't know their formats, so it appears I'm probably just giving them literals).

Spoiler tag works, but still doesn't accept the [spoiler=This is how the author explains the spoiler] usual format I'm used to[/spoiler].

Subscript isn't currently Subscripting.

Superscript isn't currently Superscripting.

(And, yet, the Subscript and Superscript above appear in the page source as "<sub>Subscript</sub> isn't currently Subscripting.<br /><sup>Superscript</sup>", which should work... I haven't changed my browser settings, so maybe I need to check what .css rules are now being applied, to see if the tag is being negated?)


(Edit: And, to add to my "8 threads in my 'Your Posts' list" datum point, it still shows only 8 threads, and doesn't show any indication that I've posted in the [url="http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=113698"]only just posted in[/url] thread. So even new additions... aren't.)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Mikemk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:03 am UTC

Felstaff wrote:Our gloriously high-resolution image...
Image

...is now cut off by the banner title (screen maxed after desktop/tablet breakpoints), so it looks like we're a low-budget European WiFi provider called Echocham if you're on Prosilver, and Echochambe if you're on anti-skub.

I suggest replacing it with my own image!

Image


...as well as setting the image container's width a little wider.

Hey, at least you have the image. I get this one:
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Mikemk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:05 am UTC

Also, the website is reminiscent of late 2009, though I suppose it's newer than the old 2006 website.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby phlip » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:16 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:[bibliography]Bibliography[/bibliography] seems not to work (but I don't know the format).

Bibliography and Cite have been complicated since their creation... I can never remember how to use them properly. [edit] I found the post that explains them, and they seem to be working fine.

Soupspoon wrote:[imath]Imath[/imath] and [math]Math[/math] tags may work (but I don't know their formats, so it appears I'm probably just giving them literals).

These haven't worked for some time, since JSMath got uninstalled from the server (because it was really slow). The buttons should probably be removed too, but this isn't a new issue related to the migration.

Soupspoon wrote:Spoiler tag works, but still doesn't accept the [spoiler=This is how the author explains the spoiler] usual format I'm used to[/spoiler].

This is more a feature request, than anything else...

Soupspoon wrote:Subscript isn't currently Subscripting.

Superscript isn't currently Superscripting.

This is, I think, the only problem with the formatting tags that is new with the forum migration. As you say, the text is coming out with <sup>/<sub> tags. The problem is in common.css, right up the top, there's:

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pretty much every element {
  font: inherit;
  vertical-align: baseline;
}
which is overriding the default styling for sup/sub, which (at least for Firefox) is:

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sub {
  vertical-align: sub;
  font-size: smaller;
  line-height: normal;
}

sup {
  vertical-align: super;
  font-size: smaller;
  line-height: normal;
}

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby ameretrifle » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:18 am UTC

I am absolutely thrilled that the fora software has been updated and would like to express my sincere appreciation for your work.

(i am hoping that those damned deleted post bugs will be fixed with this update, but i am still happy either way)

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:27 am UTC

Soupspoon wrote:[imath]Imath[/imath] and [math]Math[/math] tags may work (but I don't know their formats, so it appears I'm probably just giving them literals).
As phlip said, those haven't been functional for a long time now. What they used to do was math-ify things written between them in LaTeX. Personally I use TeX the World for that, which is client-side and does the same thing with everything between [; and ;]

So if I want to give superscripts and subscripts to someone else using the same plugin, I can just type something like [; x_0^1 ;]. I'm assuming it's the aforementioned "vertical-align: baseline;" thing that raises the whole thing up higher than it should be.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Mikemk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:31 am UTC

phlip wrote:
Soupspoon wrote:[imath]Imath[/imath] and [math]Math[/math] tags may work (but I don't know their formats, so it appears I'm probably just giving them literals).

These haven't worked for some time, since JSMath got uninstalled from the server (because it was really slow). The buttons should probably be removed too, but this isn't a new issue related to the migration.

Why not just use a client-side rendering library, like what if does? Or, if that's too slow client-side, convert it to an svg when posting/editing, and display an svg in the appropriate place.

Test:
[math]\frac{\pi}{x^2}[/math]
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby phlip » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:35 am UTC

Mikemk wrote:Why not just use a client-side rendering library, like what if does?

That's exactly what it did do (though it was a different library to the one what-if is using). Problem was, it was spread across like 20 separate JS files, and each one took a second or two to load (and were loaded in series). So it would take a good 30 seconds to load all of them, even on a speedy connection. And while it was loading, the page was completely locked up, you couldn't scroll or click on anything. (And it was worse on restricted platforms, like phones, that didn't cache the scripts well, and would have this lockup on every page that had math tags). So the whole plugin was canned.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Thesh » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:11 am UTC

Most browsers these days support MathML (HTML5 <math> tags), unfortunately a quick google search didn't return results for a PhpBB plugin that will convert LaTeX to MathML and avoid the use of MathJax. There is probably one that allows you to use MathML directly, but that's worse than no math tags.

EDIT:
Although there is one that will convert LaTeX to images that is so out of date, I doubt it will work:

https://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/suppor ... er?lang=en
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby davean » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:47 am UTC

The version on what-if is more advanced then what the forums used. People's computers were slower when this was a problem, and particularly it was a problem for people on slow computers then more then other people. It was fairly connection limited in its implementation and the what-if one is just better in that regard. Its still heavy. What-If's content is more limited then the forums, so it causes less issues with that then on the forums where the HTML for a page can be gigantic. The use of math on what-if is considered with performance in mind, unlike the forums where people use whatever math they want, for their specific post without an overall view of the final page.

That said I'm happy to try it again. Things have improved since it was a problem.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby KnightExemplar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:08 am UTC

Since a lot of people are handling criticism, lemme handle one thing:

Thanks for having a sane mobile format. This site looks great on my smartphone now, and is quite usable.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby phlip » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:24 am UTC

Speaking of good changes: go into your User Control Panel and update your timezone information, pick your actual timezone from the list. Then you don't have to update it any more when DST changes. And it'll show your timezone correctly on posts, instead of claiming to be UTC. And it'll handle daylight savings properly on old posts (showing the time as daylight-savings if it was active when the post was made, not depending on whether it's daylight savings right now).

So... hooray for that.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby e^iπ+1=0 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:25 am UTC

Firstly, thanks for the upgrade, davean!

Secondly:

phlip wrote:As another data point: the first time I went to "view your posts" (which was, incidentally, the first time I loaded the new forum - my bookmark goes to the "view your posts" page), it showed the full list, or at least what looks like the full list (though it still says "Search found 1 match • Page 1 of 1" up the top).

By chance, I still have that tab open.

Subsequent times loading the page, though, it only has one thread (for me, FaiD FT), which also happens to be the thread that was first in the list (ie it was the one that had the most recent last post).

I'm getting exactly the same thing.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:22 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Thanks for having a sane mobile format. This site looks great on my smartphone now, and is quite usable.

Yeah, excellent improvement on mobile. Thank you!
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby faubiguy » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:26 am UTC

Link wrote:Here's a quick user style to fix the width. Use at your own risk, natch.

I added a few more things to this to make some other things more like before, because I get disproportionately annoyed by minor changes. Specifically it removes the last posted thread for each forum on the index page, makes the page number buttons smaller, changes the spacing of columns on forum pages, swaps the order of the breadcrumb and other links at the top, and uncovers the echochamber image. I can't guarantee I didn't carelessly break anything, though, or that it will work for anyone else.
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/* Remove the next two declarations to restore the last posted thread on index pages */
.lastsubject {
    display: none;
}

.lastsubject + br {
    display: none;
}

/* Remove the next declaration to restore the 'jump to page number' button */
.pagination li.page-jump {
    display: none !important;
}

div#wrap {
    max-width: 97% !important;
    width: 97% !important;
}

.row .pagination li a {
    background-color: #FFFFFF;
}

.pagination li a, .pagination li span {
    margin: 0 1px !important;
    padding: 0 2px !important;
    border-radius: 0px !important;
    min-width: 0px !important;
    width: auto;
    height: auto;
}

.pagination li.next a {
    background-position: -50px -1px;
}

.pagination li.previous a {
    background-position: -30px -1px;
}

.pagination li.next a:hover {
    background-position: -50px -21px;
}

.pagination li.previous a:hover {
    background-position: -30px -21px;
}

div.list-inner {
    width: auto !important;
    margin-right: 0px !important;
}

ul.topiclist dt {
    width: calc(50% + 45px) !important;
    margin-right: 0px !important;
}

dd.posts {
    width: 8% !important;
}

dd.views {
    width: 8% !important;
}

dd.lastpost {
    width: 25% !important;
}

div.navbar div.inner {
    display: flex;
    flex-direction: column;
}

ul#nav-main {
    order: 2;
    border-top: 1px solid #FFFFFF;
}

ul#nav-breadcrumbs {
    order: 1;
    border-top: none !important;
}

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    width: 200px;
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Thesh » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:02 am UTC

KnightExemplar wrote:Thanks for having a sane mobile format. This site looks great on my smartphone now, and is quite usable.

I don't know, I think I would prefer it if every time I visited the forum it nagged me to download a mobile app.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:08 am UTC

davean wrote:You can all suggest themes from https://www.phpbb.com/customise/db/styles-2 or create a custom one for this board. Or use the 'Allan Style - SUBSILVER' option.

Is there an official way you want these themes to be suggested or are suggestions here in this thread sufficient?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby davean » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:18 am UTC

Giant Speck wrote:Is there an official way you want these themes to be suggested or are suggestions here in this thread sufficient?


Here is fine to collect preferences.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:25 am UTC

Thank you. Also, thank you for being open to suggestions.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby BlitzGirl » Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:28 am UTC

I'm glad that global announcements like this one no longer default to random subforums, though it is a bit strange that they all now appear in the "School" subforum for me.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby speising » Thu Mar 24, 2016 7:35 am UTC

What i find strange is this inefficient layout (ipad, portrait mode):
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While it looks pretty much like it used to in landscape mode.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Xenomortis » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:44 am UTC

I miss the cool blue look, but the fixed width narrow portrait style is so maddeningly awful.
And I guess the "Allan Style - SUBSILVER" theme is kinda like the old one in layout (except backwards in a few places).

And no avatar transparency anymore?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Neil_Boekend » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:11 am UTC

The increased usability on mobile devices is greatly appreciated. It also seems to run much faster.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby username5243 » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:02 am UTC

I was wondering why I couldn't get on yesterday. (Every time I tried, I got a 503 error message.) Now I know.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby keozen » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:09 pm UTC

If we can have some sort of subsilver_left back then I'm a happy man.

To be honest, I'm a happy man either way but I do miss my subsilver_left.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Alder » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:54 pm UTC

Mikemk wrote:
Felstaff wrote:Our gloriously high-resolution image...
Image

...is now cut off by the banner title (screen maxed after desktop/tablet breakpoints), so it looks like we're a low-budget European WiFi provider called Echocham if you're on Prosilver, and Echochambe if you're on anti-skub.

I imagined Echocham (which is what I see now, wasn't there this morning) as Babycham, but more echo-y.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Tyndmyr » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:15 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:
slinches wrote:Yes, thanks. There seem to be a few new features ... one of which is the ability to turn off all of the word filters.

.... They're gone.

All of them. All of the filters are gone.

Huh.


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Re: Forum Migration

Postby tomandlu » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:45 pm UTC

My only gripe is that my avatar doesn't look at the posts anymore - now he looks like someone caught with their porn-stash open.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Zohar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:49 pm UTC

You could flip your picture.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Flumble » Thu Mar 24, 2016 2:53 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:You could flip your picture.

Then he's not only caught red-handed but also hanging from the ceiling.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Zohar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:05 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:
Zohar wrote:You could flip your picture.

Then he's not only caught red-handed but also hanging from the ceiling.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby tomandlu » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:33 pm UTC

Zohar wrote:You could flip your picture.


But then he'd need to read all the messages back to front and would not be able to digest sugars.

(I did consider it, but it's a fairly iconic image imho - would you flip the mona lisa?)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Zohar » Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:40 pm UTC

I dunno, seemed fairly easy to me:
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Yablo » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:34 pm UTC

Next to the echocham index button at the top, it used to link to the actual comic page, but it no longer does.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Kewangji » Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:37 pm UTC

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Sungura » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:25 pm UTC

My autologin isnt working.
Safari on iphone6
It worked before migration to stay logged in and other sites are still functioning in this manner so i dont think its a phone setting.
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