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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Link » Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:34 pm UTC

Sungura wrote:My autologin isnt working.
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It worked before migration to stay logged in and other sites are still functioning in this manner so i dont think its a phone setting.
I've noticed there is now a section dedicated to autologin keys in the UCP. Maybe try deleting all keys there?

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby The Snide Sniper » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:15 pm UTC

So, if the forum got upgraded to a later software version, then what version is it?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Flumble » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:53 pm UTC

Yay, moderner forum software. I, for one, welcome the new mobile layout too.

I do wonder if davean is familiar with the seperation of testing and production environment. Having the forum inaccessible for more than an hour, to me, is very unnerving, especially during Madness. (or are the 503s I had the whole day unrelated to the upgrade?)

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:13 pm UTC

Did you read the OP? I suspect the inaccessibility might have had something to do with a physical hardware change.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Giant Speck » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:40 pm UTC

The Snide Sniper wrote:So, if the forum got upgraded to a later software version, then what version is it?

My guess would be 3.1.8, which was released in February.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby davean » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:42 pm UTC

Flumble wrote:I do wonder if davean is familiar with the seperation of testing and production environment. Having the forum inaccessible for more than an hour, to me, is very unnerving, especially during Madness. (or are the 503s I had the whole day unrelated to the upgrade?)


What? You wanted a set of posts that people posted that suddenly disappeared? What does this have to do with testing?

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Mar 24, 2016 9:47 pm UTC

More with Flumble not understanding the change, I reckon. Whether ignorance or inattentiveness I can't say.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Thesh » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:15 pm UTC

I think we should be get a refund for our membership fees, prorated for any outage beyond the SLA.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Xanthir » Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:16 pm UTC

Thesh wrote:Most browsers these days support MathML (HTML5 <math> tags)

Untrue. Only Firefox and Safari support it. All us Chrome and IE users would just see jumbled text.

(That said, MathJax is *really good* in my experience.)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Flumble » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:36 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:More with Flumble not understanding the change, I reckon. Whether ignorance or inattentiveness I can't say.

It seems I just don't get it. My observations yesterday were: first 503s all day (and even the evening before IIRC), then the "you've successfully installed apache" page for some time and finally the 'new' forum.
Based on the former two, my assumption is either that davean was spreading the migration over a whole day with downtime that my inner sysadmin abhors or the 503s are an unrelated issue.
In any case, I'm more confused now than I was before your replies.


Thesh wrote:I think we should be get a refund for our membership fees, prorated for any outage beyond the SLA.

My Madness was cut short this year; how do I apply? :o

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:19 am UTC

Flumble wrote:In any case, I'm more confused now than I was before your replies.


The way I saw it (BICBW), the migration didn't precipitate the errors, the errors precipitated the migration. Or, at least, moved the timescale forward on a previously planned project.

Hardware failure a couple of days ago forced a reboot and maybe a well-placed physical blow to stop the fan from making a rattling noise. But new hardware was then sought (if not already present and reserved for this, either to be newly bought in or else discovered in amongst whatever Aladdin's Cave of computer-hardware delights davean had routine and free access to salvage from).

It then failed again yesterday, and as the emergency process of setting up the new server was already started (and/or the old hardware didn't this time recover by the old switch-it-off-then-on-again of the previous circadian cycle) the 'new look' forum was finished off, prior data imported and made live as quickly as possible, under the circumstances. (And you just happened to be camping on it at the point that the basic server software first came online, but before the php/forum backend elements were yet installed.)

But that's just a guess. And it doesn't really matter so long as we appreciate that effort was put in towards rectifying the problems, regardless of what form the effort actually consisted of.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:33 am UTC

Flumble wrote:
SecondTalon wrote:More with Flumble not understanding the change, I reckon. Whether ignorance or inattentiveness I can't say.

It seems I just don't get it. My observations yesterday were: first 503s all day (and even the evening before IIRC), then the "you've successfully installed apache" page for some time and finally the 'new' forum.
Based on the former two, my assumption is either that davean was spreading the migration over a whole day with downtime that my inner sysadmin abhors or the 503s are an unrelated issue.
In any case, I'm more confused now than I was before your replies.

How would you have done it, and how long do you think that would have taken?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Thesh » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:01 am UTC

Given that no details have been given, it's probably hard for someone to say what they would have done differently. As far as I can tell, there was both a new server and new software, and if that software update has database structure changes, well, then there isn't a lot you can do without significant development work. But really, boo fucking who, the ad-free, subscription-free website was down for half a day. You made it through, suck it up.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby davean » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:38 am UTC

Lets see, dumping the DB from postgresql, across SSH, into pgsql took just under 4 hours. Then rsyncing the forum uploads across took another 2 hours, but I did that before taking the forums down, updating to to catch the changes from between rsyncing and shutting down the old webserver was about 15 minutes. Running the migrations for the upgrade was about 16 hours. Cleaning the DB up after the migration (things like old mods, etc) was 30-ish minutes.

Thats not everything in the migration, but its a lot of what had to happen sequentially.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Wildcard » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:36 am UTC

Yay for migration. (Boo for hamburgers.)

The screen width is irritating, but the only killer for me is the erratic-ness of the egosearch.

When I first opened it up, it showed only one post. (???)

When I changed the search scope from "All results" to "1 year" I got a nice big page full of results. When I changed it back to "All results", I got one result again. Back to "1 year" and I got only *five* results. Change to "6 months" and I get a page full. Very erratic; it continues to change with mesmerizing kaleidoscopicness.

(By the way, if the new version **supports standard markdown**, I *don't care* about things like `egosearch`. Markdown is the _key_ to my heart. ...eh, pity.)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Thesh » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:42 am UTC

I helped plan a cross-datacenter migration for a SaaS company. What we did was take a backup of the database, copy the backup across datacenters, restore the backup, put the software in read-only mode, and then took a differential backup (which was much faster, and much smaller), copied it over and restored the differential. The software at the old datacenter stayed up in read-only mode until the DNS was propagated. I have no clue what kind of facilities PostgreSQL has for backups.

However, being that most of it was the upgrade process, you are kind of SOL.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:19 am UTC

I like some of the changes, but I'll only be truly happy when egosearch works again. :P
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Flumble » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:06 am UTC

davean wrote:Lets see, dumping the DB from postgresql, across SSH, into pgsql took just under 4 hours. Then rsyncing the forum uploads across took another 2 hours, but I did that before taking the forums down, updating to to catch the changes from between rsyncing and shutting down the old webserver was about 15 minutes. Running the migrations for the upgrade was about 16 hours. Cleaning the DB up after the migration (things like old mods, etc) was 30-ish minutes.

Thats not everything in the migration, but its a lot of what had to happen sequentially.

Thanks for the detailed overview!
Wow, I didn't expect the conversion to take 16 hours. And I understand that leaving the old forum in read-only mode (assuming it even exists) for that long is pretty much useless.

gmalivuk wrote:How would you have done it, and how long do you think that would have taken?

As it turns out, what davean has done and it would take about 16 hours of unavailability. :P (though I would keep the old forum in read-only mode until the migration is complete, preferably with DON'T PANIC a message saying the forum is getting upgraded in big friendly letters)

Basically what I was missing during the migration was a reassuring message that the forum hasn't died of Madness and taking the whole database with it, but rather that it's all part of the plan.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:48 am UTC

so is egosearch well and truly gone?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Azrael » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:27 pm UTC

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby doogly » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:28 pm UTC

So it's there, but it doesn't work at all. It thinks I have posted in only two threads.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:30 pm UTC

I know the url still exists. Does yours have more than one thread in it, Az?
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:31 pm UTC

doogly wrote:So it's there, but it doesn't work at all. It thinks I have posted in only two threads.

Discussed a few messages up this thread, and I've just been experimenting myself. If you change the time limit, at the bottom (and [Go] with it) it seems to work better. I've not been on that long, so once I've got it to one year it'll more than cover everything I do and (if still not unstable) might be better than the setting of any time at all...

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby doogly » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:38 pm UTC

Oh hey! That's a thing.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:42 pm UTC

Oh wow, yes, setting to 1 year fixes it. Perfect.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:44 pm UTC

When I change it to something else, it starts out showing a whole page of results, but the number of results reported is much smaller, and when I go back to that same results page (like after viewing a thread) it only shows that smaller number of results.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Adacore » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:48 pm UTC

It seems like you can get better results by changing the search options (not just the time limit, changing the sorting options such as Author, Post Time, &c. seems to have a similar effect), but it's very erratic and there's clearly still something strange going on. With '1 year' selected, I first got a full page of results, but now when I take the same steps I only see 5 results. Searching by 'Author' gave me a full page originally, but now only a single result.

It's almost like every option gives you a 'one time' view of the whole list, but then if you use that option again, it breaks.

I also note that if I change the search to 'Ascending' rather than 'Descending' it always gives me a full page, but with the message "Search found 1 match • Page 0 of 1"

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:50 pm UTC

gmalivuk wrote:When I change it to something else, it starts out showing a whole page of results, but the number of results reported is much smaller, and when I go back to that same results page (like after viewing a thread) it only shows that smaller number of results.

Yep, same.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Soupspoon » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:52 pm UTC

[@Flicky, but ninjaed... But as I put the results together, posting anyway in case it's any use.]

Yes, but I can confirm it's unreliable:

All results: 9 (was 8, when reported yesterday; doesn't now include one newer added-to-thread, but does include another)
1 day: 1 (Forum Migration Thread should be at least 4!)
7 days: 4 (less than last time I used 7 days; all displayed ones also likely to be "1 day" candidates)
2 weeks: 1 (!)
1 month: 9 (?)
3 months: 9 (??)
6 months: 50 (I didn't register more than 3 months ago, so this upper limit should apply to the last option too...)
1 year: 50 (...and now I'm going back up the list again)
6 months: 9 (different from first pass!)
3 months: 9
1 month: 9
2 weeks: 1 (Forum Migration thread, only)
7 days: 4
1 day: 1 (again).
All results: 9

So... a certain symmetry, if confusingly so. But "6 months" displayed different between passes, and recorded passes look different from my first experimentation. (I'm willing to believe that 50 threads is my true upper limit, though, until I later on discover more.)

If it was just the 1 day (and, for some strange reason "All results") that was wrong I'd hypothesise that the only thread in there (Form Migration Thread) is the only thread created since migration, so for some reason only gets counted because of that, and the All Results one (perhaps because it isn't explicit in the time-choice, defaults to some sort of "since migration only" matching, in the background). And/or combined with "only threads created since $time_limit", regardless of whether personal contributions were made within said limit. But none of that explains the count-reduction reduction between 7 days and 2 weeks...

(ETA: Note that I that the "Tire Swing" comic thread is a thread that (at least at some times) not appeared in all relevant Egosearches, despite there being a newer message marked in it when I go to the Individual Comics and (now) adjust the Egosearch to time-limits that display it. It's a thread from just before the migration, I think, which is still active but is volatile insofar as egosearch listing, as described.)

(ETA2: And "All results" just now reverted back to 8 (the 'classic' 9 - that never included the Tire Swing thread, but now minus the recent XKCD Skyskraper thread from the games subforum, SFAICT), so an improvement on just Forum Migration, but... odd. But a datum point.)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Dauric » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:55 pm UTC

Adacore wrote:It seems like you can get better results by changing the search options (not just the time limit, changing the sorting options such as Author, Post Time, &c. seems to have a similar effect), but it's very erratic and there's clearly still something strange going on. With '1 year' selected, I first got a full page of results, but now when I take the same steps I only see 5 results. Searching by 'Author' gave me a full page originally, but now only a single result.

It's almost like every option gives you a 'one time' view of the whole list, but then if you use that option again, it breaks.

I also note that if I change the search to 'Ascending' rather than 'Descending' it always gives me a full page, but with the message "Search found 1 match • Page 0 of 1"


Seeing pretty much the same myself. First time I search by 1-year I see one page beginning with last year's Mod Madness announcement thread, when I search by 1-year again i get only three entries beginning with this year's Mod Madness alert. I I search by "All Results" I get only the "On other News" thread (News and Articles forum)
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby doogly » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:55 pm UTC

Soupspoon wrote:[@Flicky, but ninjaed... But as I put the results together, posting anyway in case it's any use.]

Yes, but I can confirm it's unreliable:

Yeah, it caught on to my workaround and has put in new countermeasures to thwart my desires.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby patzer » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:48 pm UTC

Umm, egosearch is really easy now. I think.

Below your username is the number of posts you've made.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby flicky1991 » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:49 pm UTC

That doesn't tell you which of the threads you've posted in have new replies, which is the main function of egosearch.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby f5r5e5d » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:50 pm UTC

how do I get to the current comic page from the forum? - "xkcd" in the banner doesn't appear to be a link (IE11)

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby Dauric » Fri Mar 25, 2016 2:52 pm UTC

patzer wrote:Umm, egosearch is really easy now. I think.

Below your username is the number of posts you've made.
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That "2477" is now a hyperlink. Click on it, and you get all of davean's posts.

It gives you all the individual posts, but doing an Egosearch just gives you the threads. To wit: If I look at my post count I get 88 pages of posts, where I only have 20 pages of threads I've posted in. It's easier to search for a specific topic with the shorter list of threads than it is to dig through all the individual posts one has ever made.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby gmalivuk » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:27 pm UTC

patzer wrote:Umm, egosearch is really easy now. I think.

As others have explained, we want the threads, not the posts. We're calling it "egosearch" because it's what "search_id=egosearch" is supposed to give.
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Re: Forum Migration

Postby rmsgrey » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:58 pm UTC

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patzer wrote:Umm, egosearch is really easy now. I think.

As others have explained, we want the threads, not the posts. We're calling it "egosearch" because it's what "search_id=egosearch" is supposed to give.


My egosearch is only 3 posts.

I'm also having trouble with the "jump to first unread post" functionality - instead of landing on the first unread post, it lands a (variable) little way above - possibly it's going to the right place but then loading more images that changes the correct height, and not updating to reflect that...

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby K-R » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:36 pm UTC

Yeah, I've had the same a couple of times, always landing me at the start of the last read post instead of the first unread post.

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Re: Forum Migration

Postby davean » Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:38 pm UTC

Sub/Sup should now be working again.

As for egosearch I'm looking into it but am mostly confused. Search in general seems to be a bit weird.

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Re: Forum Migration

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