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I need pen recommendations!

Postby Mymbu » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:29 pm UTC

Hello everyone!

If you have time I could use some recommendations on a good pen to take notes with. I will be using it in what is probably the same as college in the US.

I think I've read a thread like this before, but unfortunately i couldn't find it.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby acb » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:13 pm UTC

I always use these - they took a couple of days of getting used to because they are quite wide where you hold them but they are easy to write with and the lines are nice and smooth.

They are amazing, but quite expensive (about £2 each).

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Postby thicknavyrain » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:19 pm UTC

acb wrote:I always use these - they took a couple of days of getting used to because they are quite wide where you hold them but they are easy to write with and the lines are nice and smooth.

They are amazing, but quite expensive (about £2 each).


They are a joy to write with, certainly. But yeah, the real issue is, at £2 each, you can find similar alternatives. Supermarkets own brand alternatives are often usable if a bit crappy because of the ink, WHSmiths has similar style pens that come in better value packs. This is all based on the assumption you like the black, inky type pens, if not, I'm not really sure what to suggest. I won't even begin to mention fountain pens but that's just my tortured and disturbed past.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Mymbu » Wed Dec 02, 2009 8:51 pm UTC

thicknavyrain wrote:
acb wrote:I always use these - they took a couple of days of getting used to because they are quite wide where you hold them but they are easy to write with and the lines are nice and smooth.

They are amazing, but quite expensive (about £2 each).


They are a joy to write with, certainly. But yeah, the real issue is, at £2 each, you can find similar alternatives. Supermarkets own brand alternatives are often usable if a bit crappy because of the ink, WHSmiths has similar style pens that come in better value packs. This is all based on the assumption you like the black, inky type pens, if not, I'm not really sure what to suggest. I won't even begin to mention fountain pens but that's just my tortured and disturbed past.


I do like black, inky type pens. The cost isn't really an issue since it's important to me that they're good.

Maybe I should add that I'm left-handed, so smearing is sometimes an issue.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Kizyr » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:14 pm UTC

acb wrote:I always use these - they took a couple of days of getting used to because they are quite wide where you hold them but they are easy to write with and the lines are nice and smooth.

They are amazing, but quite expensive (about £2 each).

I was about to suggest the exact same pens (Pilot ExtraFine V5). They cost about $1.50 or $2 each here, though.

I do a lot of writing, and these are the only pens that I'll use. Everything else requires too much pressure to write, and if you're writing like 10+ pages of something then even the slightest bit of pressure gets annoying very quickly.

However, they can bleed very slightly, and they do smudge on glossier paper. Since you're left-handed, that may affect your decision. KF
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby cv4 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:29 pm UTC

I like the Pilot love on here.

I am a big fan of the Pilot G-Tec C4.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby lu6cifer » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:45 pm UTC

Pilot is good, but I'm rather partial to the uniballs
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Random832 » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:48 pm UTC

not liquid ink, but i've always preferred the G2 (the liquid ink ones have a nasty tendency to stain things if the tip is left in contact with any porous material)

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby lu6cifer » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:52 pm UTC

Sort of diverging here, but as we're talking about writing utensils, what pencils do everyone use?
My favorite are the bic mechanical ones, which are really cheap in bulk
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby oxy » Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:01 am UTC

I second uniballs, espcially the black "micro" ones with the smaller tip. I'm leftie too, and they sometimes smudge a little, but only on crappy paper (since your taking notes, I assume you pick the paper). And they make for fast writing.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby squareroot1 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:37 am UTC

My favorite pen I have ever purposefully bought was a uni-ball Deluxe Micro.
It needs almost no pressure and has a smooth ink flow.
I'm a righty so I'm not sure how it deals with smudging.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby achan1058 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:05 am UTC

I used to use pens, but I now shy away from it. Using white-out is too much hassle, and crossing off things simply looks ugly. I now use mechanical pencils instead. Currently this one, except it is in black:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/3 ... AA280_.jpg

I like the grip, in particular. They feel comfortable, unlike the bic ones.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby J the Ninja » Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:38 am UTC

Pentel's Energel line is pretty nice too, all of my "main" pens are those, except the blue one which is a Pilot G2 I found on the floor once. They are a gel pens, so they write fairly heavy with barely any pressure, but don't smear too bad. They also have a mostly aluminum body, which I like. They do run about $1.50-2 each though, which seems to be a running problem in this thread.

EDIT: For pencils, I roll with these: http://www.amazon.com/BIC-Reaction-Mech ... 187&sr=1-7
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Zeroignite » Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:54 am UTC

I'm a pretty big fan of uniball pens. The ink is of excellent quality (non-smudging, non-blotting, stokes have clean edges), and the grip is good. However, avoid the superfine pointed versions-- the tip bends and breaks easily, in my experience.

For pencils, the Dixon Ticonderoga is far and away the best product. They sharpen better, are more durable, and write more cleanly than any other pencil I've used. Hardly ever do the tips break, and each one lasts a long, long time. The erasers are the perfect consistency, work quickly, practically leave no trace, and never fall out (unlike some cheaper brands). The yellow version is the classic, but I personally prefer the black edition-- the only difference is aesthetics.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Kizyr » Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:39 pm UTC

While I've already expressed my love of Pilot V5 pens, the Uniball ones are second on the list. They don't smudge as much if you're left-handed, but the tradeoff is that the balance/weight doesn't feel as comfortable. (So, try them both out and see which one you prefer.)

For pencils, I don't always use them (on account of requiring pressure to write, which gets tiring after a few pages). But when I do, I prefer Pentel P205 0.5mm mechanical pencils--those are the kind with the needle-point tip that can cut through paper. I write very small and use a lot of symbols/Japanese characters in my notes, so, I need something very precise like that. KF
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Omegaton » Thu Dec 03, 2009 5:40 pm UTC

I don't use pens except for official things and other instances that might warrant pens (correcting papers). For pencils, I am a fan of mechanical pencils, and I usually use a normal .7 mm bic pencil. I just like mechanicals since you don't have to sharpen them, so I always get a consistent line width.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby jmorgan3 » Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:57 pm UTC

I'm a leftie and have found that the Pilot G2 is fast-drying enough that I don't smudge. I mostly use a mechanical pencil now, though. (It's just not engineering if it's not in mechanical pencil on yellow paper)
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Dromtry » Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:54 pm UTC

Woodcase pencils are less common the further you go. They are quite common in grade school, but a mechanical is almost always better. ME, I too use a P205, I have one with the long tip and one with a retractable.

For pens, I use a 1930 Parker Duofold Big Red. It's not exactly a pen I'd tell you to go out and buy immediately, but I love it. A good line of pens are Zebra's rollerballs. They are a very dark black, and have a nice weight in the hand.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby hintss » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:49 am UTC

Pilot G2

the black onees are too inky, but the blue and red ones are great and easy to disasemble.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Cynical Idealist » Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:47 am UTC

I love these pens. They write better than any of my other pens.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Pippin » Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:14 am UTC

Hmm.. I've seen a lot of people suggesting various Pilots and Uniballs, but haven't seen anyone toss out Sarasa yet. They're a rollerball pen, nice and inky. They smudge a little on glossier surfaces, but in my experience, they work better than Pilots or Uniballs and the rollerball has never gotten "jammed" on me like they do with the Uniballs and occasionally the Pilots. They're a little bit on the expensive side, but I like them quite a lot and use them pretty much exclusively now.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby rath358 » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:36 am UTC

Well, I love the plain old bic mechanical pencils, and ticonderoga pencils, but I am still searching for a good pen. See, the nice uniballs and stuff don't work, for me because I write in a lab notebook for AP Chem, and need a ballpoint, though preferably one that wont die!
advice?

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Zeroignite » Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:10 am UTC

See, I use pencils for pretty much everything, with the exception of things that actually require pen. As it happens, lab notebook is one of those things. Also, as it happens, my uniball vision micro is the only one of my pens that can both write cleanly on the original, and is firm enough to make a clear duplicate. Also, they last a very long time per unit.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Secateurs » Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:26 am UTC

Personally, I find it weird to write with anything other than a Parker pen, because I'm so used to the weight (for anyone who hasn't used them before, they're fairly heavy, metal casing). They're not the disposable type, but I just buy the refills when it runs out. They're more expensive, but yeah, you just keep refilling the casing. I'm a lefty too, so the ink needs to be quick-drying.
(I still end up with pen on my little finger, but it doesn't smudge everywhere, so it's good enough.)
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby wst » Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:34 pm UTC

I used to use a Parker pen, went home with blue hands every. single. day. Not the best choice for a lefty. Bic ballpoints are good for general note taking but I like a Pentel v2 if I have sketches to do.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Numquam » Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:03 am UTC

I'm a big fan of Pilot G2's.
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Postby Ralith The Third » Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:34 pm UTC

Cynical Idealist wrote:I love these pens. They write better than any of my other pens.

I love these. I'm pretty sure there are pencils of the same exact shape which are ALSO awesome. Mechanical, OC.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

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Ralith The Third wrote:
Cynical Idealist wrote:I love these pens. They write better than any of my other pens.

I love these. I'm pretty sure there are pencils of the same exact shape which are ALSO awesome. Mechanical, OC.

Yes, there are.

They're nice for writing, but you absolutely need a separate eraser. The ones built in really suck (and are really tiny).
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Postby MisterCheif » Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:59 pm UTC

rath358 wrote:Well, I love the plain old bic mechanical pencils, and ticonderoga pencils, but I am still searching for a good pen. See, the nice uniballs and stuff don't work, for me because I write in a lab notebook for AP Chem, and need a ballpoint, though preferably one that wont die!
advice?


I never had a problem using Pilot G2s in my lab notebooks in AP Chem...
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Nec » Mon Dec 07, 2009 6:49 am UTC

Everyone seems to go for Pilot :P Im more of a pencil guy, but the only pens I like using have to be made by Zebra, specifically the F-701

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby radioactivemarmite » Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:09 pm UTC

I love the uni-ball eye pens to the point of obsession. However, they do smudge. (and I'm a rightie)

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby ginadagny » Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:51 pm UTC

I really like Pilot pens, especially their fine tipped ball point pens. I usually don't roll with gel or fountain pens. I like the ink to not show through the other side of the paper.

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I don't think anyone here has mentioned Staedtler brand writing instruments, but I really really like their ballpoint pens too. They write so smoothly <3

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Postby Rammi » Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:11 pm UTC

When I went to posh private schools with strict rules, almost all pens were disallowed. The only pen you could use was a fountain pen. I eventually grew to love them, because the ink lasts for ages and you don't have to press into the page like you do with ballpoint pens.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Adrien » Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:14 am UTC

Something I am curious of, because I often use Composition Notebooks to take notes in, and therefor use both sides of the paper. How are the Pilot Pens and the Uniballs on showing through the paper? This is the entire reason I've stopped using fountain pens, while I love them, their tendency to show up not only on the page I'm writing on, but also the next 3 (Only slightly an exaggeration, but you get my point), kinda kills my ability to use them for my intended purposes. Does anyone have any recommendations for pens that don't have such a high tendency to show through paper? Or maybe a mechanical pencil which writes smoothly, instead of feeling like I'm etching marks into the paper with a needle? (This has always been my problem with Mechanical pencils, I'll break the end for some reason, and it'd always snap off into a point, pretty much making it's only real use a piercing weapon)

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Dromtry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:16 am UTC

Adrien wrote:Something I am curious of, because I often use Composition Notebooks to take notes in, and therefor use both sides of the paper. How are the Pilot Pens and the Uniballs on showing through the paper? This is the entire reason I've stopped using fountain pens, while I love them, their tendency to show up not only on the page I'm writing on, but also the next 3 (Only slightly an exaggeration, but you get my point), kinda kills my ability to use them for my intended purposes. Does anyone have any recommendations for pens that don't have such a high tendency to show through paper? Or maybe a mechanical pencil which writes smoothly, instead of feeling like I'm etching marks into the paper with a needle? (This has always been my problem with Mechanical pencils, I'll break the end for some reason, and it'd always snap off into a point, pretty much making it's only real use a piercing weapon)

Comp notebooks have notoriously thin pages, even pencil is visible on the other side. For complete run through, I don't think either of Pilot or Uni-Ball's premiere rollerball seeped through.

The feel to a mechanical pencil is not the pencil itself, but the lead you load it with. If you use the crappy lead that it comes with, it can be scratchy and weak (hence the breaking). I'd suggest finding a mechanical pencil that you like holding and writing with, and load it with Pentel lead (Hi-Polymer Super or Ain).

Fountain pens are similar to mechanical pencils in the sense of what you load it with greatly effects the writing. Certain ink brands and even specific colors can seep through the pages much easier. Another thing to watch out for is your feed system. A fountain pen that practically squirts ink out will of course cause the writing to show through.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Adrien » Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:55 am UTC

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Adrien wrote:Something I am curious of, because I often use Composition Notebooks to take notes in, and therefor use both sides of the paper. How are the Pilot Pens and the Uniballs on showing through the paper? This is the entire reason I've stopped using fountain pens, while I love them, their tendency to show up not only on the page I'm writing on, but also the next 3 (Only slightly an exaggeration, but you get my point), kinda kills my ability to use them for my intended purposes. Does anyone have any recommendations for pens that don't have such a high tendency to show through paper? Or maybe a mechanical pencil which writes smoothly, instead of feeling like I'm etching marks into the paper with a needle? (This has always been my problem with Mechanical pencils, I'll break the end for some reason, and it'd always snap off into a point, pretty much making it's only real use a piercing weapon)


This should be a function of two things: the kind of ink you use, and the amount of ink your pen delivers to the paper. In fountain pens, if you've got an adapter, you can use any ink you like, so you might have better luck shopping around for inks. I use Noodler's bulletproof black and I can barely see it through my notebooks, which are cheap, but not precisely composition books. I've never had it (or any other ink for that matter, so it might be your pen) bleed through the page enough to be a problem, and certainly not onto the next page unless I actually spilled ink. At about $10 for 3 oz of ink, it's not expensive to try different kinds, though, just make sure to wash the pen first.


Does anyone have any recommendations for a good fountain pen? I love how effortlessly fountain pens write, and how amazing they look on paper, but obviously I've had some bad experience with ink/the pen (One of the two, or possibly both). And on that note, is there any substitute for a composition notebook that would have thicker pages, in hopes of offering a bit more of a cushion to the see-through?

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Dromtry » Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:32 pm UTC

My first fountain pen was excellent, a Pelikan M215. It actually cost about the same as my Duofold, so it's not really a pen that you could waste money on if you didn't like it.

About notebooks, Moleskines have slightly heavier pages than composition notebooks, and the largest size is about comparable to the size of a composition notebook. Moleskines are also a lot of stationary reviewers standard paper for test writes.
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby snowolf » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:01 pm UTC

I love Pentel's RSVP pen.
Papermate works well for being cheap.
How do you feel about felt-tip?
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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby ks_physicist » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:10 am UTC

All of my suggestions have already been made in the thread so far, but I want to tag it for the future...

Wait, has anyone mentioned the Pilot Precise Deluxe (Extra Fine)? I loved these for years...it looks like they d/c'ed them, but the replacement is reasonably similar.

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Re: I need pen recommendations!

Postby Shivari » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:56 am UTC

Am I seriously the only person who doesn't give a shit about what I write with? I thought a pen was a pen. Granted, I lose pens all the time, so I really couldn't prefer one over another anyway, as I just buy a box of whatever and use them until they've all flown away.


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