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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jorpho » Fri Mar 26, 2010 3:30 pm UTC

Naurgul wrote:There was a scroll Xykon told her he didn't understand. O-Chul and the paladins are heading to a different gate than the PCs.
I don't suppose you can link to the strip where these things were introduced?

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Naurgul » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:17 pm UTC

  • O-Chul and Lien are heading to Kraagor's gate: #671, panel 2
  • Xykon told Tsukiko to learn a ritual from a scroll and explain it to him: #700, panel 4
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:51 pm UTC

She says "the missing half of this ritual is actually divine" meaning she doesn't have the part that Redcloak is meant to cast.
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Could be that whoever performs the ritual is consumed by it so Xykon wants somebody else to do it. Or maybe he wants all his power fresh for when the Snarl appears. Or maybe he's lazy and doesn't want to learn it.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jorpho » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:08 pm UTC

Naurgul wrote:Xykon told Tsukiko to learn a ritual from a scroll and explain it to him: #700, panel 4
Really? Only nine strips ago? Updates really have been slow!

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Naurgul » Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:16 pm UTC

Indeed, #700 was more than 2 months ago.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:44 am UTC

TaintedDeity wrote:She says "the missing half of this ritual is actually divine" meaning she doesn't have the part that Redcloak is meant to cast.
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Could be that whoever performs the ritual is consumed by it so Xykon wants somebody else to do it. Or maybe he wants all his power fresh for when the Snarl appears. Or maybe he's lazy and doesn't want to learn it.

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The ritual doesn't actually control the Snarl. Redcloak told Xykon it would, to lure in a (then-living) arcane caster to his plot. In reality, it just lets the Snarl loose a little bit on an area, the idea being that the Dark One will kill off a few gods and scare the others into line. Redcloak knows the divine half of the ritual instinctively because of the Crimson Mantle, and presumably he told Xykon the other half. Xykon is now trying to reverse engineer Redcloak's half.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:53 am UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:
TaintedDeity wrote:She says "the missing half of this ritual is actually divine" meaning she doesn't have the part that Redcloak is meant to cast.
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Could be that whoever performs the ritual is consumed by it so Xykon wants somebody else to do it. Or maybe he wants all his power fresh for when the Snarl appears. Or maybe he's lazy and doesn't want to learn it.

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The ritual doesn't actually control the Snarl. Redcloak told Xykon it would, to lure in a (then-living) arcane caster to his plot. In reality, it just lets the Snarl loose a little bit on an area, the idea being that the Dark One will kill off a few gods and scare the others into line. Redcloak knows the divine half of the ritual instinctively because of the Crimson Mantle, and presumably he told Xykon the other half. Xykon is now trying to reverse engineer Redcloak's half.
Oh yes, I knew that I just forgot :P
However I'm still pretty sure that he's given Tsukiko the arcane half.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:59 am UTC

Right. I'm pretty sure Xykon has a copy of the arcane half--from the Dark One via RC--and gave it to Tsukiko, telling her "figure this out".
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Chfan » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:32 pm UTC

So, are those of us who never read SoD out of luck as to knowing what's going on?
Just FYI, the guy isn't avatar isn't me. But he seems pretty cool.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:36 pm UTC

Sir_Elderberry wrote:Right. I'm pretty sure Xykon has a copy of the arcane half--from the Dark One via RC--and gave it to Tsukiko, telling her "figure this out".
That's what I think too. :)
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:34 pm UTC

Chfan wrote:So, are those of us who never read SoD out of luck as to knowing what's going on?

Eh. I don't know. I think those of us who have read SoD understand things right now, but that Burlew will toss a few explanations in later to make it understandable to the others. Right now the whole Wrong-Eye thing is going right over your heads. (And you should definitely read SoD 'cause it's worth it.)
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby LuNatic » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:24 am UTC

Chfan wrote:So, are those of us who never read SoD out of luck as to knowing what's going on?


The last couple of comics certainly make it seem that way. Prior to that, I don't recall noticing any inside references.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby phlip » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:00 am UTC

Though, Rich has promised not to leave people who don't buy the books in the dark, so as soon as the ritual becomes plot-important, there'll be some exposition, like what happened here (the three bandits in that strip having previously had major roles in Haley's part of OtOoPC's). In the meantime, us book-buyers simply know more current-plot-irrelevant-so-far backstory about a macguffin or two, and get one or two additional jokes (like the "Wrong-Eye" thing).

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby pseudoidiot » Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:40 pm UTC

So, having read the newest (as of this post), #714, I have no idea what the last panel means. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jorpho » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:15 pm UTC

Do you mean to say you don't get the "purple lizard" reference in #713 either?

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby pseudoidiot » Mon Apr 12, 2010 2:18 pm UTC

Apparently I'd missed that bit in 713. It makes more sense now. Thanks!
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Re: The Order of the Stick

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Re: 723

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So, wait.. if Elan/Nale's dad is a goofball, where the hell did Nale learn to be a dick?
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Naurgul » Thu May 13, 2010 6:25 pm UTC

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Random mutation? But anyway, he was portrayed as a bloodthirsty lawful evil warrior previously in the comic, so I guess he's a bit of both? Or maybe he turned goofball later in life, due to some sort of latent gene?
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Thu May 13, 2010 6:28 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Re: 723

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So, wait.. if Elan/Nale's dad is a goofball, where the hell did Nale learn to be a dick?
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He may be a goofball, but he's a lawful evil goofball, apparently.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Thu May 13, 2010 9:06 pm UTC

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He might have mellowed out since his more warlord-y days. Not to mention, the only time we saw him was in Nale's flashback. Nale is hardly the most honest or level-headed guy.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby SecondTalon » Thu May 13, 2010 9:56 pm UTC

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No, I'm thinking that he's always been a goofball. I mean, there's nothing that says you can't be lawful evil, a bloodthirsty tyrant and a big ol' goofball too. He may even be a dick. I'm just wondering if, in the land of fictional parentage and hereditary personality and so on, if their mother isn't completely and totally serious about being a barmaid.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jorpho » Fri May 14, 2010 12:32 pm UTC

SecondTalon wrote:Re: 722 723
Spoiler tags don't work very well with incorrect references. :(

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 14, 2010 5:31 pm UTC

D'oh!
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sockmonkey » Fri May 14, 2010 8:37 pm UTC

Spoiler:
For all we know Elan's mom might be a lot darker than his idealized memory of her too. But yeah you can be silly and evil. Everything Xykon does that isn't related to ruling to world (and some of the stuff that is) is pretty goofy.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby SecondTalon » Fri May 21, 2010 2:14 pm UTC

#725 - It suddenly all makes sense.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Sat May 22, 2010 4:05 am UTC

SecondTalon wrote:#725 - It suddenly all makes sense.

Burlew is stunningly good at taking "wait that doesn't make sense", tossing in a one-panel joke, and then you forget it ever bothered you.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Grop » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:50 am UTC

As weird as it may seem, I've just discovered that comic. It is quite awesome, but now I have to stay away from spoilers.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:08 am UTC

You mean you haven't read it all already?
Can't be a real fan :P
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby SecondTalon » Thu Jun 17, 2010 12:41 pm UTC

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby TaintedDeity » Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:05 pm UTC

Awww, why not?
Now I've remembered this comic actually has a beginning so I'm going to read the archive!
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jesse » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:17 pm UTC

When I killed my computer and installed Widnows 7, I entirely forgot that OotS existed. I'm stil not sure if I can be bothered catching up.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Thadlerian » Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:13 pm UTC

Jesse wrote:When I killed my computer and installed Widnows 7, I entirely forgot that OotS existed. I'm stil not sure if I can be bothered catching up.

This is a valid concern. In my view, OotS has gone out on a wee bit many tangents lately, without achieving very much. However, I would have tried to catch up if it were me. OotS is one of those few webcomics I'm aware of that is sufficiently accessible, well-written, and pleasant to look at for me to follow it regularly. It'd have to drop far for me to throw it away.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Jorpho » Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:00 am UTC

I've said before that I thought the first hundred strips were a much more pleasant romp than it was for a while there, but lately it's been much better. I just wish it would update three days a week like it did back then. :(

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Sir_Elderberry » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:08 am UTC

Yeah, Book 4 was rough going. I actually imagine it'd be better if you were reading book-by-book, rather than getting it slowly doled out to you via Internet. Then Book 4 is a self-contained plot arc with interesting consequences, rather than strip after strip of "WHY ISN'T THIS OVER YET?"
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby The Pigeons' Rule » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:14 am UTC

I haven't read that much of OotS, but I agree it's got a fairly high-level. Plus it's nice to have a plot. Not knowledgeable enough to discuss the plot with you guys, though.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Grop » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:01 am UTC

Hey, dear D&D geeks, I have a question: what kind of creatures do we see in strip #210? I have no idea.

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Naurgul » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:40 am UTC

Grop wrote:Hey, dear D&D geeks, I have a question: what kind of creatures do we see in strip #210? I have no idea.
The ones in the first panels are Displacer Beasts. The ones in the last panel are 2nd edition monsters that didn't make the cut to the 3rd edition of D&D.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby JayDee » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:42 am UTC

I had to look those up (and get ninja'd in the process), but in doing so learnt that there is an wiki. Of there is. The jellyfish looking creatures are apparently Flumphs, "the only Lawful Good monsters in the 2nd Monster Manual". Which makes sense, I do recall them first showing up in the Hall of Outdated Monsters.
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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Grop » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:25 pm UTC

Thak you guys, the oots wiki in particular will be useful!

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Re: The Order of the Stick

Postby Chfan » Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:58 am UTC

Jesse, I don't know how long it's been, but Rich isn't exactly known for updating frequently.
Just FYI, the guy isn't avatar isn't me. But he seems pretty cool.


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