[Large Game] Stargate Mafia - GAME OVER

[VectorZero]

How many scum are likely to be still alive? It seems we've taken out almost all the ones fitting on misterk's list

[Knightshire]

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Second of all.. knightshire, what the hell? I thought until now you were pro-town, so why the hell would we waste a lynch killing you?
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At this point my death would benefit town by means of different powers getting activated. That's all.

[Adacore]

I'm still hesitant to trust Entropy, although most of the rest of y'all seem to think he's ok, so I guess I'll go along with it. The only person left on my non-trust list (at least with regards to potentially being scum) is willwithskills, ergo I'm going to follow mister k's lead.

vote: willwithskills

[MasterOfAll]

First of all, yay for Az being scum, and congrats to those who stayed the course with the vote. I think this proves we have no cult.

So, we have one, maybe two mafia left to kill (my interception implied a minimum of 4, but there could be more). Personally I think that Az was fairly desperate to seperate himself from wills yesterday, and wills was too pairy.

Second of all.. knightshire, what the hell? I thought until now you were pro-town, so why the hell would we waste a lynch killing you? There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to do that, and it makes me rather suspicious of MoA to be honest. Still

vote:wills

You know, I believed Knightshire's claim that he made yesterday. So, I copped willwithskills last night and got a town result (and hopefully he is not godfather or I am naive, etc.). So that, combined with deaths, has removed everyone from my don't trust list and even the players on my trust list I was not quite sure of.

I really wasn't expecting Knightshire to vote for himself, but I was hoping that leaving him on my don't trust list and throwing a vote out there would a) make me feel better about his claim from yesterday and b) give me some idea of remaining scum based on other's reactions.

So, with that said, I really don't think Knightshire or willwithskills are scum, which means I really don't have a clue who is scum. I guess I will have to make the time to go back and check my reasons for how everyone left in the game got onto my trust list. In the meantime, I will . . .

Unvote (Knightshire)

And, I recommend anyone who is voting for either Knightshire or willwithskills to evaluate their reasoning and consider unvoting. Honestly, if you do not trust my cop claim at this point, then I would be a better lynch candidate so that you would at least find out I was telling the truth.

[Brooklynxman]

Do we know if misterk's godfather is still alive? Cause if so I think a cop is essentially useless right now in that I think we are down to one scum (don't quote me, I'm not sure).

[MasterOfAll]

What godfather? I mean there might be one, but it was not in list of powers that mister k provided:

mafia have an unblockable kill
one mafia is one shot unlynchable
one mafia can make people MAFIA SUPPORTERS (unclear if this is one shot or not)
one mafia has a rolecop

[Brooklynxman]

Oh. In that case, will is cleared.

[willwithskills]

Oh, well now I won't have to roleclaim. Joy.

Anyways, I also disagree with a knightshire lynch, even if he wants us to. I don't think he's scum, and I don't want to lynch him today even if he gives up his powers. (Could someone explain that to me again, I didn't quite understand it.)

I suppose if the day comes to a standstill and we cannot discern any mafia, we could go with a sacrificial Knightshire lynch if he still wants us to. Only as a last resort, obviously.

[mieulium]

mafia have an unblockable kill
one mafia is one shot unlynchable
one mafia can make people MAFIA SUPPORTERS (unclear if this is one shot or not)
one mafia has a rolecop

Sorry, having come back to peek at this thread, does that mean that unblockable kill means that absolutely nothing can get in the way, or the mafia can't be roleblocked (meaning block placed on mafia or kill block placed on victim)?

[VectorZero]

I think we should look at cycoden and mie ... Mew... the girl who replaced vieto (ninja'd: yeah, her). They seem to be having a spat which is being ignored by everyone else, but both have otherwise been flying under the radar.

Unblockable is generally taken to mean ignores the effect of a doctor. Is used to negate the technique of the cop claiming in the hope he is protected, which would otherwise require the death of the aforementioned doctor.

[MasterOfAll]

Hmm, now that you mention it, I kinda remember putting cycoden on my trust list for general helpfulness (while not posting much throughout the game, the posts he did make were usually meaty) and for voting for scum. I'll have to take a look back, but I might possibly be willing to get on board that lynch.

[Adacore]

Looking back, cycoden was actually never on my trust list, I just overlooked him today because I got so zoned in on Az, wills, Knightshire and Entropy yesterday. Since MoA is claiming wills is town, I'll go ahead and change my vote accordingly.

unvote

vote: Cycoden

[MasterOfAll]

the fact that mafia won't lynch mafia.

Wait, what? Dude. Mafia lynch mafia all the fricken time

If cycoden is scum, then this is a pretty funny post, since the reason I was thinking he isn't scum is his vote record.

But, I will hold off voting a while to see what he has to say for himself. Of course, it would be nice if someone could put together some analysis on him. I did a quick perusal of his posts and nothing really jumped out as me, but cycoden is known as a pretty good player so I could totally see him really not leaving anything for us to find.

[mieulium]

I think we should look at cycoden and mie ... Mew... the girl who replaced vieto (ninja'd: yeah, her). They seem to be having a spat which is being ignored by everyone else, but both have otherwise been flying under the radar.

D: well, its going under the radar because cycoden is lurking again. And I will still be not regularly here because I am still having my exams, which will end on thursday. And as Vieto has pronounced, I am the miller. And I know this would mean that I would look scum if you investigated me.

Am I able to comment on what I can do (as a role)? Other than that, I can't prove that I am not scum.

So now you are backing away from your "strong feelings" about not voting Az?

I do say that it was a misjudgement, but I deduced that he was a pro-townie earlier on in the game. And I felt that supporters aren't that good to lynch right? As in cause they are still townies? Or am I wrong?

However I do believe that at least one scum voted for Azrael. It seems logical that Azrael defended me (creating a link) and then allowing himself to get lynched and another mafia jumping on the bandwagon. Then people would start thinking that I was his accomplice. :S

[cycoden]

Looking back, cycoden was actually never on my trust list, I just overlooked him today because I got so zoned in on Az, wills, Knightshire and Entropy yesterday. Since MoA is claiming wills is town, I'll go ahead and change my vote accordingly.

unvote

vote: Cycoden

...suspicion without justification is a pretty big scumtell in my book.

If cycoden is scum, then this is a pretty funny post, since the reason I was thinking he isn't scum is his vote record.

Clearly I'm doing it wrong

Srsly, I'd also like to point out that if I were scum, I would have hammered WWS, which would have prevented Az's death.

@mieu: My suspicion of you was predicated on the existence of a cult, and Azrael being a possible member of it. I'll have to review my thoughts in light of Azrael's scumminess.

[Adacore]

Looking back, cycoden was actually never on my trust list, I just overlooked him today because I got so zoned in on Az, wills, Knightshire and Entropy yesterday. Since MoA is claiming wills is town, I'll go ahead and change my vote accordingly.

unvote

vote: Cycoden

...suspicion without justification is a pretty big scumtell in my book.

Yeah, sorry, I'm being pretty flighty with my votes atm because I figure we're in a great position and can afford a few hasty lynches to get the win. I pretty much trust almost everyone left in the game, which leaves a pretty small pool of people to get through before I have to start reconsidering my opinions of them.

[existential_elevator]

Vote Count
10 players, 6 to lynch

Knightshire -2 - Entropy, Knightshire
Willwithskills - 1- Mister k
Cycoden - 1- Adacore

[VectorZero]

Vote: Cycoden
For flying low and, essentially, I trust everyone else more.

MoA: has copped two people as town, one of whom is confirmed (AMT) and the other was my next choice for today (WWS). I haven't analysed his voting habits but he hasn't stood out as scummy at all.
Mister k: if he's scum, it's the best and ballsiest false claim ever
willwithskills: town according to MoA. Had been a little patchy but I'll trust MoA for now.
mieulium: fairly low flier but the early miller claim swings me towards trusting. There's certainly scope within flavour for millers.
adacore: hmmm. I can't remember OTTOMH why I trust him. Will have to review
VZ: lovable ol' me

The entropy/BXM/knightshire thing appears to be proven as a self contained lyncher/lynchee set and I don't see any reason to vote for any of the three as yet

[VectorZero]

Also, I went back and looked at the mafia deaths:
NaR: Yu (lynch, D1)
BESM: Unas (modkill, D2)
Sungura: mafia supporter (lynch, D2)
Dromtry: Hathor (lynch, D3)
Azrael: Apophis (lynch, D4)

First of all (luck notwithstanding) this has been a very awesome lynchfest

Secondly, since all of the lynched scum did in fact die, misterk's list would indicate the one shot unlynchable is either BESM or still alive. Wiki suggests that the hardy Unas is a likely candidate.

We don't know what NaR's ability is since he died before misterk had a chance to listen.

Making supporters could fit with Hathor, from what I read.

The others I'm not so sure about.

Thoughts?

[Entropy]

Yeah, sorry, I'm being pretty flighty with my votes atm because I figure we're in a great position and can afford a few hasty lynches to get the win.

Unvote
Vote: Adacore

Because we can afford a few hasty lynches

Unvote

Seriously though, let's kill Knight. It gives us 25% odds of blocking scum tonight plus whatever awesome powers brook claims he will get for being the last surviving race. It'll be awesome. Pretty please?

[Brooklynxman]

Assuming I survive the night.

[Entropy]

And if you don't, then we have 50% odds of blocking scum the following night, I achieve my primary win, and I'll be properly motivated to help the town find the remaining scum. That's a win-win as far as I can see.

[Brooklynxman]

And if you don't, then we have 50% odds of blocking scum the following night, I achieve my primary win, and I'll be properly motivated to help the town find the remaining scum. That's a win-win as far as I can see.

Knowing your indy I can't vote you, but......ugh.

We have no reason to believe that you have that ridiculously overpowered ability. But you can help the town!

Also, can we have a centralized case against cycoden. I'm not sure exactly why MoA is voting him (what I'm getting is "I have vague suspicions so I am voting cycoden").

[Entropy]

But you can help the town!

I'd be more inclined to help the town if the town was willing to help me. If we eliminate all scum before the remaining races are dead then I'm just SOL. As evidenced by the lynch record, we are doing really well thus far, leaving us sufficient time to make sure that my win condition is fulfilled and that the town still wins. Surviving is not a win condition for townees... just eliminating the scum. We can win together!

[MasterOfAll]

Vote Count
10 players, 6 to lynch

Knightshire -2 - Entropy, Knightshire
Willwithskills - 1- Mister k
Cycoden - 1- Adacore

Brook, I don't see any vote by me here, for anyone. I did say that I could probably get behind a cycoden lynch, since right now my trust list is filled up to the brim and the only real reason I for putting cycoden on it was his record of participating in lynches of scum and for general helpfulness. And, since I think he is a pretty smart person, I can totally see him being scum and playing well enough to seem as town as he seems.

I'm not saying anything I haven't already said, but hopefully I am being clearer about it this time. But, just because I find it amusing how not-firm I was on whether cycoden deserves to be lynched (and currently still am), I shall quote myself . . .

. . . I might possibly be willing to get on board that lynch.

It's not like we have a deadline or anything yet (we don't, right?) so there is no reason to be hasty.

[MasterOfAll]

Grammar fail edit:

please insert 'had' in between "reason I" and "for putting" to read thusly: ". . . the only real reason I had for putting cycoden . . ."


Also, the vote count I posted is no longer current since VZ has now voted for cycoden, but either way I have not (yet (and not sure I will)).

[Brooklynxman]

Sorry MoA, I remembered you voicing willingness to vote for cycoden and confused it with had voted for.

I can say I trust cycoden less then other players, but I will have to recompile my trust list.

[mister k]

unvote:wills

Hmm, well I have to admit to being a little paranoid about trusting MoA, as if the scum were able to recruit any more people other than sungura, the cop would be an obvious choice. I'm gonna

vote:cycoden

for now, and we'll see how that goes.

Incidentally entropy, no, we are not going to fufill you win condition for you. There really is no need....

[cycoden]

Sigh.

Three rather unsubstantiated votes.

I guess I shouldn't be overly concerned, as my death actually furthers my win condition in a certain sense.

I'm Dr Jay Felger. I'm hopelessly infatuated with Dr Samantha Carter (of whose identity I am aware of, although I cannot communicate with her).

My primary win condition is to ensure she survives.

So at least when I'm being lynched, is a day where she isn't.

I also had a one shot investigation - I used it on AMT.

Anyway, if you can hold off bandwagoning me too quickly, I'll try and post some analysis and stuff in the next couple of days (although I have to go away with work again tomorrow).

[VectorZero]

Unvote
Pending promised content.
Interesting, at the least.
Typical to claim having copped someone who's dead.
People who know stuff about Stargate: is cycoden's flavour in keeping with the show, and is Felger a significant enough character that he would warrant a role in this game?

[mister k]

Hmmm.... an interesting role claim, certainly...

unvote

for now. This warrants more thought when I have a bit more time to ponder.

[VectorZero]

is cycoden's flavour in keeping with the show, and is Felger a significant enough character that he would warrant a role in this game?

I went ahead and wiki'd the character. The answers to my questions are yes and hell no: he appeared in just two episodes, AFAIK.
FoS: cycoden
You're gonna have to talk fast, bucko. This is exactly what I did as Mom in Futuramafia: when threatened with a lynch pick a character who's obscure enough not to have anyone counter-claim, then make up a role and win condition that sounds non-threatening.

Tl;dr: I don't believe you.

[MasterOfAll]

I also had a one shot investigation - I used it on AMT.

At first read, I was inclined to believe cycoden's claim. But when I just read it again, this statement jumped out at me as being rather suspicious. It is true that I did investigate ameretrifle on N1, but she really wasn't that suspicious on D1, so I am having a hard time believing that you would use your one and only investigation on her, and then not bother to mention that fact until just now.

There is still no deadline and I am in no particular rush to lynch as we may well be heading down an incorrect path here, so I will wait and see what else you have to say. Maybe you should offer up an alternative candidate for lynching (with some reasoning behind it, of course)?

_____

(On a possibly related note, it is actually kind of fun in these sort of themed games to have to invent your own role to claim when you are scum. In the Princess Bride game I came up with what I thought was a pretty convincing rolename (King L) and reasoning for why I didn't roleclaim earlier, and with cops known to exist I had to explain why they might would get a scum result, and it might have worked if I didn't face such impossible odds by that time, as I was seriously outnumbered and I couldn't even get a successful NK due to number of power roles I was facing. I now think it is quite possible that cycoden is in a very similar situation to that.)

[mister k]

I also had a one shot investigation - I used it on AMT.

At first read, I was inclined to believe cycoden's claim. But when I just read it again, this statement jumped out at me as being rather suspicious. It is true that I did investigate ameretrifle on N1, but she really wasn't that suspicious on D1, so I am having a hard time believing that you would use your one and only investigation on her, and then not bother to mention that fact until just now.

There is still no deadline and I am in no particular rush to lynch as we may well be heading down an incorrect path here, so I will wait and see what else you have to say. Maybe you should offer up an alternative candidate for lynching (with some reasoning behind it, of course)?

_____

(On a possibly related note, it is actually kind of fun in these sort of themed games to have to invent your own role to claim when you are scum. In the Princess Bride game I came up with what I thought was a pretty convincing rolename (King L) and reasoning for why I didn't roleclaim earlier, and with cops known to exist I had to explain why they might would get a scum result, and it might have worked if I didn't face such impossible odds by that time, as I was seriously outnumbered and I couldn't even get a successful NK due to number of power roles I was facing. I now think it is quite possible that cycoden is in a very similar situation to that.)

Yeah, both you and VZ make very good points here. I'm not sure how convincing cycoden's claim really is. Lets see what he's got to say...

[Adacore]

That does seem a pretty minor character, but we do have some fairly minor characters in the game (the Furlings, for example, were only even mentioned in about four eps, iirc, although the whole Alliance thing could be the justification for including them). Felger's not a character I'd include if I were modding Stargate Mafia, but I'm not maj, and the role Cycoden describes fits with the character.

Due to the points that have been noted above by VZ and MoA I am, however, not swayed from my vote by this roleclaim. It is just too similar to a move scum would make in the situation cycoden is presently in. I'd agree that there's no point rushing for the lynch, though - we should certainly give him the opportunity to post his thoughts and/or analysis.

[VectorZero]

And another thing: we think there is a scum rolecop. Cycoden may be telling the truth about copping AMT, but it doesn't mean he's townie.

[mieulium]

Ok... remember me FoS-ing Adacore?

Now its official:
Vote: Adacore

Why?

Because of this:

If we do have a cult, I'm fairly confident that Entropy is likely to be in it, if not the leader, from his early posts and the general way he's played. Aside from that, it's the standard cult problem - it could be anyone.

Another thing - what was up with the weird voting mechanics yesterday? With the lynch requiring one fewer vote than it should've done, or whatever happened? Or did I totally misinterpret the mod text?

Current situation is that I'm by far the most suspicious of Knightshire (still), especially with this latest non-human development. A good explanation is definitely required there and if it's not forthcoming I'll be voting pretty soon.

So one fewer vote?

One. How do you know that it is missing one? It can't be so, since if you were town you probably wouldn't care or know.

Two. What was peculiar that day? (Day 4) Well. AMT died. And she was not supposed to have died!

Three. So who was? Me. Since every body is power-claiming, I shall explain my powers. I get to hide behind someone every night. If I am targeted, the person who hides in front of me dies. If the person I hide behind is targeted, I die.

Four. What this then represent? I was targeted on Night three by scum. This then is interesting as Adacore was the only one commenting on the peculiarity of the vote count. This only lead me to deduce that firstly, he contributes to the vote count. Secondly, he was expecting someone to die! Thus he has to be the one of the people targeting me on Night 3!

Another scummy thing: First paragraph. Its the same card that has been played by Azrael. Hmm.

[Entropy]

I am hella confused by your reasoning. Do you think the scum were voting on who to NK? Because I'm pretty sure the comments about votes were referring to the lynch.

[Brooklynxman]

We know it was one vote because I should have been L-1 instead I was hammer. Mod even said so.

[mieulium]

Or it could have meant that there was a "vote" missing because he thought so! Well, point is someone wanted to NK me on Night 3, and unsuccessfully did that, and I am convinced that Adacore is scum.