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by **Kolko** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:37 am UTC

All apologies, I've been busy with exams but that should all be over by next week.

I still think lynching TMG is the right choice for today, as it will give us the most information. If their loss of votes is permanent, we're not even that bad off lynching a (claimed) vanilla town compared to other power roles. On top of that, I don't think Chang is a role to be vanilla and if TMG had a pro-town power he would have claimed that.

As to the idea of Snark being a lyncher for TMG, I don't think it makes sense, flavourwise, to have Dean Pelton as a lyncher for Chang.

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:12 pm UTC

Ultimately in the flavour Chang could either be the bad guy ("20 pages on ass-kissing by tommorow en español!") or neutral looking to recruit/be recruited. I think the later is probably more likely.

As an example, he spends the early half of season 2 trying to be recruited into the group, at one point dancing for 5 hours soloing a group pop'n'lock contest in a bid to become part of the group (makes sense in context).

On the other hand, this is what happens when he fails.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:20 pm UTC

Spoilers

Spoiler:

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:29 pm UTC

I haven't seen that far. May be best to strike my judgement on which is more likely, the point is he probably won't be town.

Let's get this done with:
TheMaskedGecko

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:30 pm UTC

EBWOP:

Obviously that was supposed to be VOTE: TheMaskedGecko

by **wam** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:51 pm UTC

Votals

TheMaskedGecko - 5 - ( Lynx, Kolko, UniqueScreename, Bluebambue, 3fj)

6 to lynch

Deadline in 6 hours 9 minutes

by **Snark** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:35 pm UTC

Getting doctored tonight would be just super. I'm increasingly of the opinion that I am sane, and that TMG is not a miller (after watching the first 6 episodes of Community which is hilarious btw), which means that TMG's scummates are going to be gunning for me tonight (assuming he isn't an indie).

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:48 pm UTC

I want to make it really clear to everyone that I still don't trust what you're saying and I think you've been lying through your teeth. My vote was based on flavour alone.

by **New User** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:50 pm UTC

You think he's lying but you put TMG at lynch minus one.

This is crazy.

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:59 pm UTC

I think he's lying, but based off of the flavour and what TMG has said, I put TMG at L-1. This is not so crazy.

by **Lataro** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:25 pm UTC

By my reckoning, deadline is around the corner. I'll not place a vote in case anyone else wanted to get a last second comment in before day's end.

As is, I think from all I've heard, Snark is reliable and TMG is likely scum.

Only problem I have with that, is TMG's claim. Either he is flavor blind, and it makes sense, or he knew he was claiming a scummy role name. I can't help but think he would have made a false claim on the role name if he knew he was scum...

by **TheMaskedGecko** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:49 pm UTC

Would whoever is scum please kill snark tonight. I'm feeling just the tiniest bit bitter.

by **wam** » Thu Aug 23, 2012 9:00 pm UTC

Final Votals

TheMaskedGecko - 5 - ( Lynx, Kolko, UniqueScreename, Bluebambue, 3fj)

There had been lots of discussion as the voice slowly counted down the deadline. Snark claimed to have found incriminating evidence on TMG which the class decided was as good a place as any to start. The voice finally counted down to 0 and the bell rang. They all looked at each other, strung up TMG and kicked away the study table. Having got that untasteful buisiness done with they all dispearsed into groups to wait out the night. However, some people were sneaking around and some were plotting!

TMG has been lynched his role, alignment and sanity will be revealed at the day start.

It is now N1, The deadline for all actions is Midday (BST) on tuesday 28th with D2 starting Tuesday evening.

I am afraid I can’t give an exact start time as I don’t know when I will be free.

by **wam** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:46 pm UTC

A reminder to get your Night actions in

by **wam** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:48 pm UTC

Im still waiting for some Night actions, I will extend N1 24 hours to this time tomorrow but thats final!

by **3fj** » Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:52 pm UTC

Is this going to mean day extends into the weekend?

by **wam** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:37 am UTC

You all awake from your slumbers as the voice says “Wake up sleepyheads there is lynching to be done. You might have found some threats to your school's existence but there are still people plotting! You may also like to examine the body of TMG to see how successful you have been.” Investigating the body turned up a guitar and an invite for a cameo appearence.

TMG was lynched, He was Jack Black, Cult recruiter, Cult (the cool study group).

Then the voice crackled again “ you lot should really be more attentive, look behind you!!” Turning around you all saw lataro slumped in the corner not moving. Investigating his body in more detail you couldn’t believe what you found, medical supplies and the appearance of one of the most loved characters in the school.

[b]Lataro is dead, he was Annie Edison, Doctor, Town.

It is now Day 2, the Deadline is in just over 6 days at 8pm (BST) on Tuesday the 3rd of Sep.

9 alive 5 to lynch.[/b]

by **roband** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:34 pm UTC

roband wrote:Annie I'm... ew, Hector the well-endowed? -
Another mothering role. Likes to look after people, Troy, Jeff and Abed (to a lesser extent) particularly. She has physically patched people up a couple of times. Very much see her as a doctor role.

Ding ding ding.

Also, I'm glad TMG is dead for 2 reasons. Hopefully no cult (yay!) and I hated Jack Black in the show.

by **Snark** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:38 pm UTC

I had hoped I found a powerful mafia, but hitting cult D1 is pure gold.

Only problem is that we don't get to go back and look for buddying yesterday.

Will post more later.

by **3fj** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 12:59 pm UTC

Cool. Coolcoolcool.

I was all after revisiting the Koloko thing after we found out Snark was telling at least some form of the truth, but given what we now know, to me, that makes Snark confirmed town.

About the voting thing, could you try voting and seeing if the votals are reflected, Snark?

by **3fj** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:00 pm UTC

EBWOP: That sentence needs reconstructed. Was supposed to say that we should move past the original claims like Snark is saying, and that he was confirmed town.

by **Kolko** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:02 pm UTC

I'll post some more later, but this is bothering me. It's Kolko, not Koloko. Koloko is just silly. It doesn't even type as well as Kolko...

by **3fj** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:06 pm UTC

But it sounds better to me!

Sorry. My mistake.

by **bluebambue** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:08 pm UTC

I agree Snark is seeming to be confirmed town at this moment. However I have a question

Snark wrote:TMG and Kolko are both scum. Mark my words.

Snark, you said TMG was scum. My understanding of the lingo is is that scum=mafia, but TMG was a cult. Is scum a broader term than I had assumed, or was the result just some variation of "anti-town" that didn't give more info?

by **Snark** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:11 pm UTC

bluebambue wrote:I agree Snark is seeming to be confirmed town at this moment. However I have a question

Snark wrote:TMG and Kolko are both scum. Mark my words.

Snark, you said TMG was scum. My understanding of the lingo is is that scum=mafia, but TMG was a cult. Is scum a broader term than I had assumed, or was the result just some variation of "anti-town" that didn't give more info?

My cop only distinguished between town and non-town. Usually I refer to all non-town as scum, except perhaps in case of town-neutral independents such as jesters (and maybe survivors).

Vote: 3fj

Testing, 1, 2, 3

by **New User** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:52 pm UTC

I have often seen "scum" refer to any anti-town alignment.

As for this situation, here is my initial feeling. Snark was telling the truth all along, I guess. I can presume that he was telling the truth about the posting restriction thing, so I'm willing to dismiss for now that he called Kolko 50% sure scum. Still, if it was a posting restriction that made him say something he didn't really want to say, the ability to later explain it away as simply a posting restriction makes it sound... not so restricting. A more extreme example would be if I was to say "I am the serial killer" but then later say "No it's okay, I'm not the serial killer but something about my role made me say that." Well if my role made me say it, then it should be so that I would have to say it but cannot contradict it. That's just weird to me, but I'm willing to dismiss it for now.

Got to rambling a little bit there. Continuing the "initial feeling" thought, since I suspect Snark is town (since it seems his cop claim against TMG was truthful), and the doctor is dead, I suspect Snark is a prime NK target tonight. So, Snark, not that I'm telling you how to use your power role, but you might want to consider claiming your power for the day and its results, if it's a daytime power like the last.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:57 pm UTC

Good to know we've gotten rid of a really bad situation. However, I don't think we can definitively say we have no other cultists here. K2K had two people that started in the cult, and while whoever is left could simply be a survivor now, I don't think we should let our guard down.

by **3fj** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:49 pm UTC

UniqueScreenname wrote:I don't think we should let our guard down.

I think you're right. In addition to being careful of cultist (who, let's remember, might have inherited the recruiting power) You got me thinking about the wording:

wam wrote:TMG was lynched, He was Jack Black, Cult recruiter, Cult (the cool study group).

Weird that the mod would identify the cult by name. Suggests there's maybe another cult out there as well? Flavour would indicated multiple cults, and also people trying to be recruited by cults. If that's the case I would suggest that if a cult loses it's leader, it's gone (which I think we just witnessed)

by **Snark** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:59 pm UTC

New User wrote:So, Snark, not that I'm telling you how to use your power role, but you might want to consider claiming your power for the day and its results, if it's a daytime power like the last.

It's not a day power this time. I feel fine claiming that much. I'm currently pretty sure that I'm not even going to use it. Unless I get enough info by day-end to make it non-misguided.

Vote: UniqueScreenname

for trying to breadcrumb survivor.

by **lynx** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:30 pm UTC

I don't think she was trying to breadcrumb survivor, unless she was doing it for a falseclaim later.
However, I'm suspicious of anyone who sees cult recruiter on the flip and still tries to convince people to look out for a cult.
In a game this size a cult with two starting members (not to mention the recruit passing down) would be horribly unbalanced.
While I can't tell for sure, I can see this being a scum-slip and barring any cop claims or stronger reads,

Vote: UniqueScreenname

Now, I'm going to read through and try to find out what Lataro did to get himself killed.

by **lynx** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:38 pm UTC

Hmm, can't see anything. Perhaps Snark was deemed too likely to be doctored while it was assumed Lataro would be a strong player for town later on?
We did sort of spend too much time talking about TMG yesterday. While we're all pleased to have dealt with a cult, we have very few leads on the mafia.
I was going to write a player analysis but don't have enough to write about most of us. Perhaps tomorrow.

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:44 pm UTC

I wasnt breadcrumbing survivor. I was warning people not to let their guard down. If we assume a cult isn't out there, we could be easily overtaken. I said survivor was possible, but we shouldn't default to that.

Ninja'd: idk what scum would gain from saying a cult could still be alive. It doesn't clear them from being scum and it makes town more careful about who they lynch, looking closer at the details. So, I have no idea how it would be a scum slip.

by **lynx** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 4:59 pm UTC

I say it because scum are not looking for a mafia to lynch, they are however looking for independent factions that could hinder their chances of winning when town have been duped. I say it because in the Casino NU and I were constantly hunting for an SK (who ended up killing me and lynching NU, then winning). Anyway, I think the reason you can't relax a bit after seeing the recruiter is because you're scum worried about a rival!

by **UniqueScreenname** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:53 pm UTC

Or I'm town worried about non-town. Is there any reason it's unlikely to be that?

by **3fj** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:40 pm UTC

In my mind you've only really pinged an indie worrying about themselves. Certainly wouldn't hang a lynch vote on it. Are we really going to rush the day phase again?

The only problem is that we haven't got much more to go on than a confirmed townie. Especially since Lataro didn't really say much beyond waiting to let TMG say his piece and making sure we didn't waste any more votes on the missing votes question.

by **bluebambue** » Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:46 pm UTC

I think having another cult/a surviving member is unlikely, but I do not think there is any problem in keeping an eye out while scum hunting in future days.

I read through Lataro's posts and didn't find much reason for him to be killed. The only one I see is that he asked the bandwagon to slow down. At that point the following people, in order, were voting for TMG:
Snark, Lynx, Kolko, and USN
Maybe there were some scum trying for a fast hammer and Lataro stopped them? I think this is a really weak reason, so I'm at a loss except for Lataro being a generally strong player.

ninja'd, posting anyway

by **lynx** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:44 pm UTC

3fj wrote:In my mind you've only really pinged an indie worrying about themselves. Certainly wouldn't hang a lynch vote on it. Are we really going to rush the day phase again?

The only problem is that we haven't got much more to go on than a confirmed townie. Especially since Lataro didn't really say much beyond waiting to let TMG say his piece and making sure we didn't waste any more votes on the missing votes question.

I don't think USN is indie, I can see her being scum. It's enough for a lynch vote when there's little else going on.
If you're town, stop defending her! If you're scum keep it up though as connections are always fun after a flip.

Also we have no confirmed townies. Snark is probably a townie but in a closed set-up there's no reason the headmaster couldn't be independent or something.
Flavour knowledge is useful but only goes so far! He has got a strong power.

by **lynx** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:49 pm UTC

blue, I doubt anyone was going for a quickhammer early on D1. Nobody ended up hammering, and there wasn't a lynch on the table when the information came to light so it can't have even been trying to defend a scum-mate. I think it's more that they guessed Snark would be doctored, and wanted to get rid of a townie. Unless he breadcrumbed doctor somewhere and I missed it.

by **lynx** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:13 pm UTC

One more thing. Matt has confirmed and provided one two-line post yesterday. IMO he needs another mod-prod or replacement.

by **3fj** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:45 pm UTC

lynx wrote:I don't think USN is indie, I can see her being scum. It's enough for a lynch vote when there's little else going on.
If you're town, stop defending her! If you're scum keep it up though as connections are always fun after a flip.

Got to love a bit of baseless accusation. I've got some of my own.

What I was saying is that you and Snark voted really quickly after one another. Now, you've just said Snark is still not confirmed anything for you, so that's far more suspicious than identifying the very possibility that there might be other cultists out there, especially given the mod phrasing. Got something to claim?

lynx wrote:Unless he breadcrumbed doctor somewhere and I missed it.

I'm not entirely sure on what you mean by breadcrumb, so here's the only post where Snark mentions doctoring.

Snark wrote:Getting doctored tonight would be just super. I'm increasingly of the opinion that I am sane, and that TMG is not a miller (after watching the first 6 episodes of Community which is hilarious btw), which means that TMG's scummates are going to be gunning for me tonight (assuming he isn't an indie).

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(Also yes, Community is hilarious. Finished Season 1 + 2, half way through 3. Was missing one episode, and it turned out to be the Jack Black one ._.)
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