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FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story - GAME OVER

Postby BigNose » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:50 am UTC

[Lataro steal]
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WTF!!
Hoodwinked into a meeting, you suddenly find yourself amongst your closest competition.
There have been boardroom fights, courtroom fights, slanging matches, buy-outs & sell-outs.
But the message that has been delivered to all is simple.

You need to survive!

You have some allies, who are not direct competition, but ‘Allies’ in this case means that they won’t stab you in the back.

The masks help disguise you.
The burka’s help disguise the roll-neck.
Hopefully they won’t recognise your pseudonym.


Your competition:

Mark Zuckerberg (CEO FaceBook)
Winklevoss twins, Cameron & Tyler (CEO BitCoin to be)
Larry Page (CEO Google)
Sergey Brin (CEO Google)
Elon Musk (CEO PayPal)
Larry Elison (CEO Oracle)
Jack Dorsey (CEO Twitter)
Steve Ballmer (CEO MicroSoft)
Steve Jobs (CEO Apple)
Jeff Bezos (CEO Amazon)
Pierre Omidyar (CEO eBay)


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Claiming is allowed, although ill-advised to do so.


NOTE: I will be away from 01 - 11 Aug, so D1 will end on 31 July, as late as possible UTC.
I should have internet access, so can handle N1 and start D2, so this note is a 'just-in-case'.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story - Meeting #1

Postby BigNose » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:08 am UTC

No need to confirm.

No-Lynch is valid.

Most votes only is a lynch.

Equal votes is a No-lynch

DAY 1 - Meeting of Minds starts NOW.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:48 am UTC

vote USN

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby UniqueScreenname » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:30 am UTC

I don't know what you mean.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:53 am UTC

Just a jokevote?

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Name taken...

No?

...
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:56 am UTC

Vote stubbs

his reasoning is very weak
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Madge » Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:12 pm UTC

I'm here and I'm excited to be in a room with my fellow most esteemed CEOs. I hope we can make this meeting productive with a minimum of bloodshed.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:17 pm UTC

Vote: Madge

For trying to be nice to a room filled with sharks.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:20 pm UTC

I'm here too. I hope everyone isn't going to vote as rapidly as the 3 who already have, else I suspect this will be a very short game.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby thdl » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:04 pm UTC

So I don't like RVS, but I do like balance spec. With 8 players, I'm expecting 5/1/2. Since the game claims to be "not vanilla," there should be some interesting roles thrown around. I wonder if the flavor has anything to do with alignment. Anyone have any ideas?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:13 pm UTC

Yeah that sounds about right to me, maybe a few more scum powers to balance it out. Personally I have always felt 5/2 favours town but its a pretty standard setup.

Also we have 11 names of CEO's and 8 players.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:07 pm UTC

Considering, we have Google, Apple, Windows, and Facebook represented I wouldn't be surprised by the presence of a cult/fanbase or 4.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby KrO2 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:03 pm UTC

Four cults? I'd be surprised.

Just thought of something. This a game for 8-12 players, so if there are eleven CEOs, there's probably precisely one non-CEO player, which supports thdl's 5/1/2 numbers.(One is too few for a fair mafia faction, so it's probably in addition to instead of instead.) Am I reading too much into that?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:24 am UTC

In response to the 12 Players, 11 CEOs thing, notice that the CEO of Bitcoin is 2 people.
If these are assigned to individual players then that would be the full 12.

Lets look at potential rivalries:
[list=]1. Winklevoss twins, Cameron & Tyler (CEO BitCoin to be) VS Mark Zuckerberg (CEO FaceBook)
for obvious reasons.

2. Steve Ballmer (CEO MicroSoft) VS Steve Jobs (CEO Apple)
for obvious reasons.

3. Jeff Bezos (CEO Amazon) VS Pierre Omidyar (CEO eBay) (maybe?)
potential rivalry due to both having websites that sell things...?
[/list]


I'm not too sure on the rest of them. Maybe Google could be the mafia since they clearly desire world domination?
Maybe I was wrong about 1. and its more like Paypal VS Bitcoin and Facebook VS Twitter?

In which case where would oracle fit in?

lord, i'm confused.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Madge » Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:11 am UTC

Let's have a look at the different businesses and what they do:

Mark Zuckerberg (CEO FaceBook) - Social networking, micropayments, advertising
Winklevoss twins, Cameron & Tyler (CEO BitCoin to be) - Payment methodology; links to the black market (eg silkroad)
Larry Page (CEO Google) - Web search, moving into hardware, social networking, document storage, etc
Sergey Brin (CEO Google) - Web search, moving into hardware, social networking, document storage, etc
Elon Musk (CEO PayPal) - Paymont methodology; Musk is also doing some consumer space stuff right?
Larry Elison (CEO Oracle) - Had to look up Oracle. They're basically third to IBM and Apple for hardware. Famous for databases, though.
Jack Dorsey (CEO Twitter) - Tweets
Steve Ballmer (CEO MicroSoft) - Hardware and software
Steve Jobs (CEO Apple) - White things with rounded corners
Jeff Bezos (CEO Amazon) - sell things, possibly scary monopolisation of book industry
Pierre Omidyar (CEO eBay) - allows other people to sell things

Rivalries:

Facebook VS Twitter (it's the title, after all)
Bitcoin VS Paypal
Google VS ???? (Apple, Oracle, Microsoft are all possible contenders from the hardware PoV)
Amazon VS Ebay also seems likely

@Valius, we actually have 8 players and 12 names, so there's probably some names that aren't being used. (e.g. we can't guarantee Steve Jobs, say, is even in the game). At least that's the way I take it.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:08 am UTC

Madge wrote:Facebook VS Twitter (it's the title, after all)

Yea, i'm dumb. :D


Madge wrote:@Valius, we actually have 8 players and 12 names, so there's probably some names that aren't being used. (e.g. we can't guarantee Steve Jobs, say, is even in the game). At least that's the way I take it.

Right, I was just pointing out the twelfth CEO in response to this:
KrO2 wrote:...so if there are eleven CEOs, there's probably precisely one non-CEO player....

Because starting your assumptions on this basis is going to lead to trouble.


On another speculative note, out of the 4 that aren't in the game, I'd put my money on one of the Vosses and one of the Google duo.
On the other two, as Madge pointed out, it could be anyone...

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:11 am UTC

Sorry for double post BUT:

I know this game said no bastardry but what if the title of the game is misleading?

What if neither Facebook nor Twitter are the bad guys.....?

What if its one of the other companies who have it out for everyone (like Google in real life :P)?

Just a thought. However since my spec isn't helping us much, I'm gonna stop with that now.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby KrO2 » Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:53 pm UTC

The eleven thing was based on the assumption that when the roles were written, the mods wouldn't know how many people were going to sign up. So there's have to be one player not on that list if it reached full capacity, and that role would probably still be here. Doesn't tell us anything about their alignment even if it weren't so tenuous, though.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:02 am UTC

This is my first online mafia game, although I've read a few archived ones. Are they usually this slow?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby UniqueScreenname » Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:46 am UTC

Sorry I haven't really participated yet. I have been sick and I can't think when I'm sick, so give me through tomorrow to post.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:41 am UTC

unvote

I don't want to vote for someone sick.

thdl, where did you find the "none vanilla" part?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:49 am UTC

bouer wrote:This is my first online mafia game, although I've read a few archived ones. Are they usually this slow?


Yes and no they go through stages!

Early days are normally slow!

Questions to get us started

1) Setup you expect?
2) in a scale of vanilla to crazy where to you expect this game
3) roles you think are likely
4) who do you think is scum
5) who is your scum Partner

1) 5/1/2
2) 2/5 with 1/5 being vanilla
3) No Idea, prob a town investigate role, scum misleading role,
4) Stubbs is my best pick so far
5) USN
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:33 pm UTC

Why are you rolefishing wam? I don't see how question 3 has town motivation behind it.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:45 pm UTC

wam wrote:
bouer wrote:This is my first online mafia game, although I've read a few archived ones. Are they usually this slow?


Yes and no they go through stages!

Early days are normally slow!

Questions to get us started

1) Setup you expect?
2) in a scale of vanilla to crazy where to you expect this game
3) roles you think are likely
4) who do you think is scum
5) who is your scum Partner

1) 5/1/2
2) 2/5 with 1/5 being vanilla
3) No Idea, prob a town investigate role, scum misleading role,
4) Stubbs is my best pick so far
5) USN


1) 4/1/1/2 or even 3/1/1/1/2. Based on the flavour I expect more than 1 indie.
2) I'l say 4/10, so it doesn't look like I'm copying wam.
3) Not a clue.
4) See previous answer.
5) Is this question: "if I was a scum who would I want my partner to be?" If so I would like bignose. Always good to have the mod on your side.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:03 pm UTC

StubbsKVM wrote:Why are you rolefishing wam? I don't see how question 3 has town motivation behind it.


Well it wont work now but if scum prs almost always counter a town pr. therefore if a town pr dies and someones picked that role they are prob scum.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:32 am UTC

So when I last examined the setup, I put forth a theory that there were multiple teams of two (e.g. the voss' as a team and the google guys as a team) BUT since then, I went back and looked at my own role PM and I don't have a partner. So that kinda defeats that theory.

What if the setup is something like 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1?

What would we even do in that case...?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:17 am UTC

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StubbsKVM - 1 (Wam)
Madge - 1 (Valius II)

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby UniqueScreenname » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:16 pm UTC

wam wrote:1) Setup you expect?
2) in a scale of vanilla to crazy where to you expect this game
3) roles you think are likely
4) who do you think is scum
5) who is your scum Partner

1. Let's say 5/1/2. We could also have a bunch of indies, given the flavor. I suck at balance, though.
2. Bout half way. Anytime lynch is mandatory, things get complicated.
3. Probably the standard ones. I don't think there would be anything too crazy.
4. I haven't decided yet.
5. I don't have one.

I don't particularly think those will help much.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:17 pm UTC

Unvote

I completely forgot to unvote. That's still left over from RVS.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:37 pm UTC

vote Valius

Why bother saying you have no partner?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:53 pm UTC

I guess we know Valius is an indie, so lynching them would be less damaging than lynching a town.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Madge » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:19 am UTC

I request replacement. I accidentally read Stubbs' most recent spoiler.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby UniqueScreenname » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:09 am UTC

Pending Valius' response, I'm thinking he looks like the best lynch candidate, however, this is an extremely slow game and I don't like not having any strong opinions on people. We should all post more, myself included.

For instance, I know very little about the flavor. I loathe social networking. I know Zuckerburg has a movie about him. Does anyone think the flavor would be based only on the contrast in the companies or anything from their personal lives/back stories?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:28 am UTC

Apparently lynch is mandatory. What happens if we all vote no lynch, or none of us have voted by the time deadline rolls around? Or we have tied votes?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:00 am UTC

Seriously?

The several times I've asked this question, I've been told that figuring out the setup really helps because we know where we stand on D1.

Then I do something that is trying to help us figure this out. Without role fishing, without endangering anyone and that's somehow a scum tell?

If anything, the person actually role fishing should at least get a little more suspicion than someone just trying to help figure out the setup...

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:56 am UTC

It's not too late to vote, you know.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:14 am UTC

Valius II wrote:So when I last examined the setup, I put forth a theory that there were multiple teams of two (e.g. the voss' as a team and the google guys as a team) BUT since then, I went back and looked at my own role PM and I don't have a partner. So that kinda defeats that theory.

What if the setup is something like 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1?

What would we even do in that case...?


Yeah syaing you don't have a partner is a weird thing to say...

Also 1/1/1/1/1/1 just wouldn't work as a game and I would trust Bignose to know that.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:31 am UTC

wam wrote:
Valius II wrote:So when I last examined the setup, I put forth a theory that there were multiple teams of two (e.g. the voss' as a team and the google guys as a team) BUT since then, I went back and looked at my own role PM and I don't have a partner. So that kinda defeats that theory.

What if the setup is something like 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1?

What would we even do in that case...?


Yeah syaing you don't have a partner is a weird thing to say...

Also 1/1/1/1/1/1 just wouldn't work as a game and I would trust Bignose to know that.



Except that its been done before. I'm desperately trying to remember the name but when I was reading some old games before joining one, I've seen that setup before. Something carribean.... I'm gonna keep searching.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:33 am UTC

StubbsKVM wrote:It's not too late to vote, you know.


Who would you have me vote for? Other people that are trying to help figure out the setup?

The only suspicious thing I've seen so far is role fishing and that is a weak fos at best.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby StubbsKVM » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:41 am UTC

That's why there is RVS.
Voting for weak reasons until someone picks up something scummy and then you go from there. I see very little RVS activity, and the only minor thing I've picked up is on you. If you're not voting, Why do you think he will respond?
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