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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:16 am UTC

Valius II wrote:
wam wrote:
Valius II wrote:So when I last examined the setup, I put forth a theory that there were multiple teams of two (e.g. the voss' as a team and the google guys as a team) BUT since then, I went back and looked at my own role PM and I don't have a partner. So that kinda defeats that theory.

What if the setup is something like 1/1/1/1/1/1/1/1?

What would we even do in that case...?


Yeah syaing you don't have a partner is a weird thing to say...

Also 1/1/1/1/1/1 just wouldn't work as a game and I would trust Bignose to know that.


Look at the avatar for a clue!

Spoiler:
It was pirates of the carribean but that was know going in, so I should have said something more like I doubt that would be done without warning.



Except that its been done before. I'm desperately trying to remember the name but when I was reading some old games before joining one, I've seen that setup before. Something carribean.... I'm gonna keep searching.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:51 pm UTC

StubbsKVM wrote:That's why there is RVS.
Voting for weak reasons until someone picks up something scummy and then you go from there. I see very little RVS activity, and the only minor thing I've picked up is on you. If you're not voting, Why do you think he will respond?


He's already responded to that accusation. I don't need wam to respond to the same thing again. I assume it will be something along that same lines that is said.

What I personally need right now is to get a better idea of the setup so we know what we're facing. Because let's assume for a second that it is in fact pirates of the caribbean mafia without us being told before hand, in that case something like role fishing is a LOT more dangerous than in a normal game.

Let's say in a pokemon theme'd game I say I'm Geodude. What does that tell you? Nothing.
In a pirates style game, (now that i've reread it) with a everyone has to kill someone and save someone kind of win condition, knowing my role name is a big deal because it immediately paints a target on my back.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:56 pm UTC

Sorry for the double post, I forgot to say:

Thanks for finding that game wam.

Also, the actual point of my previous post was that lets assume for one second, that the setup is actually everyone vs everyone. In that case, we need to figure out who it would be most beneficial to lynch today.

Except that I have no idea how we'd start that search.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:10 pm UTC

So your a lyncher/assasin, mind sharing your target?

Vote Valius

As the targets are normally town.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:12 pm UTC

The lights go out in the room.
Pitch black ensues.
Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:13 pm UTC

and that means?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:05 pm UTC

Carry on.
Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:38 pm UTC

Ok anyone want to comment about that?

IF not I suggest we ignore it and just keep going!
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:30 am UTC

Maybe it allows night actions during the day? Has anyone ever played a game where something similar happened?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:56 am UTC

wam wrote:So your a lyncher/assasin, mind sharing your target?

Vote Valius

As the targets are normally town.


When did I claim anything of the sort?
Why are you putting words in my mouth?

I said "in a pirates style game..."
Go back and read pirates.
Every player was an Indy. In addition, every player had to get one other player killed and had to ensure that a third player survives. I was referencing that.

You're the one that found the game, how did you not take two seconds to read at least the first post that explains the whole setup?

Vote: wam for using misreps to aggressively target me.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Mon Jul 29, 2013 3:36 am UTC

Valius, we know you aren't town. Do you have any reason for us to not lynch you?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:11 am UTC

bouer wrote:Valius, we know you aren't town. Do you have any reason for us to not lynch you?


In very simple terms, I think this game has a setup like that of Pirates of the Caribbean. I.e. THIS:
Pirates Mafia wrote:Game-specific info:
  1. Every player is independent with win condition: X is dead at game end and Y is alive at game end. X and Y will never be yourself. X and Y will never be the same. A player may win even if dead. (Each player is X for exactly 1 other player and is Y for exactly one other player).
  2. Every player has 3 of the following powers which they chose for themselves: {1 shot kill, 1 shot self resurrection, 1 shot resurrection of other player}. Players may have 1 of each, 3 of one, or 1 of one and 2 of another.
  3. Half wins will be given to players who only fulfill one of their primary win conditions AND are also alive at game end.


Feel free to go and check the accuracy of my snip since that is only a small part of the introductory post for that game.

This means none of us are town. But none of us are mafia either.
Do you see what I mean so far?
Obviously no one else is going to come out and say that they don't have a partner either but I'm sure none of you do.

Kill me, kill anyone else, it matters not. We're all indies.
And honestly, I won't be upset if I die for doing something to help what I initially thought was town (but now feel is just a group of indies in a room)

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:03 am UTC

Two things:


Lataro replaces Madge
(Thanks Madge
Thanks Lataro)


The lights come back on.
Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Lataro » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:46 am UTC

I'll read this during downtime at work tomorrow. May be able to get a post tomorrow night.
DS9, after being told the story and moral of the boy who cried wolf by Julian.

Garak: "Are you sure that's the moral?"
Julian: "Of course. What else could it be?"
Garak: "Never tell the same lie twice."

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby thdl » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:27 pm UTC

StubbsKVM wrote:thdl, where did you find the "none vanilla" part?


In the signup thread this game is classes as "Not vanilla"

1) Setup you expect?
2) in a scale of vanilla to crazy where to you expect this game
3) roles you think are likely
4) who do you think is scum
5) who is your scum Partner


1) Based on recent posts, I'm getting indy vibes, so maybe 3/1/1/1/2 or 3/1/1/1/1/1
2) Based on the above, crazy.
3) CEOs, capitalism, etc seem to imply survivors, or masons.
4) wam or valius (Valius is almost certainly an indy for suggesting every player is an indy, but wam's attack on him pings me)
5) Bignose.


I know for trufax that there is a town faction (of which I am a member), but I am getting the impression that it is probably small. Since we need clarity, I think it's worthwhile to lynch someone and see how the night turns out. Right now, I'm thinking wam or valius, though I worry I am targeting the talkative ones.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Mon Jul 29, 2013 7:31 pm UTC

Hang on so you agree that valius is an indy but my attack doesn't make sense...
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:05 pm UTC


Night in 48 hours

Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Lataro » Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:41 am UTC

Everyone wants X to live, and Y to die.

Everyone.

vote tldr

Because why not?
DS9, after being told the story and moral of the boy who cried wolf by Julian.

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Julian: "Of course. What else could it be?"
Garak: "Never tell the same lie twice."

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:03 am UTC

Lataro wrote:Everyone wants X to live, and Y to die.

Everyone.

vote tldr

Because why not?


Exactly this. This is what I've been getting at.
I would even go as far as to posit that the "mafia" in this game is just someone who's win condition is to see everyone dead.

I'm gonna stop reiterating that point though because I feel everyone had got the gist of what I'm saying.

In other news:
@wam: now that lataro has also kind of claimed indie, are you gonna attack him too?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:59 am UTC

No because i didnt read it as him claiming indy.

Looking at his example town want mafia to die and town to live. mafia wamt the opposit O think thats what hes saying unless iv missed soemthing.

Also.that close to deadline we meed to get a move on or were just going to fall into a lynch without anything really beimg said.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby KrO2 » Tue Jul 30, 2013 5:59 pm UTC

Valius thinks everyone has a lyncher/protector role like in Pirates, therefore he has a role like in Pirates.
Vote: Valius
Lynching an indy always feels like it's not the right move when we could aim for scum, but it's D1 so I'll settle for not being wrong.

Lataro's at #2 for the same reason. Except that, being Lataro, he's liable to claim pirate no matter what his role is.

thdl, what's wrong with wam's attack on Valius? I've agreed with it pretty much entirely. Doesn't make him town (mafia wouldn't mind lynching a third party), but it's not evidence against.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby bouer » Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:02 am UTC

Vote: Valius

because really there aren't any good options, and it's probably better to lynch a claimed indie than someone who might be town.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:59 am UTC

Well guys, it is what it is.
I'm gonna go ahead and claim just so you know what you're doing.

I'm Jack Dorsey, CEO of Twitter. My role PM states that my company and myself are the good guys and Zuckerberg is my target and must be eliminated.

After this claim, it doesn't matter whether I get lynched or not because whoever has the condition of killing me now knows who his/her target is.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby thdl » Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:09 am UTC

Lataro wrote:Everyone wants X to live, and Y to die.

Everyone.


I assure you, this is not the case.

wam wrote:Hang on so you agree that valius is an indy but my attack doesn't make sense...

KrO2 wrote:thdl, what's wrong with wam's attack on Valius? I've agreed with it pretty much entirely. Doesn't make him town (mafia wouldn't mind lynching a third party), but it's not evidence against.


It was a nonspecific ping. It read as slightly too excited to have an easy (and probably nontown) target.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that finding out how the night goes would be a bad thing, but I don't see a reason to hammer in case anyone wants to get in any last minute posts (perhaps in response to our interesting claim above).

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:19 am UTC

Votals:

StubbsKVM - 1 (Wam)
Valius II - 3 (StubbsKVM, Wam, KrO2, bouer)
tldr - 1 (Lataro)

As wam failed to unvote, their vote on Valius is noted and ignored.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby Valius II » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:25 am UTC

Vote: thdl

Because if i'm right about the win conditions and everyone being indy then the fact that you have a different win condition is what should be noted.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby wam » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:26 am UTC

unvote

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby UniqueScreenname » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:41 am UTC

Sorry, this game is not giving me a lot of things to comment on.

Vote: Valius

As previously mentioned.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:33 am UTC


That's Night.
No more posts.

Votals:

Valius II - 5 (StubbsKVM, Wam, KrO2, bouer, USN)
tldr - 2 (Lataro, Valius II)

Valius II has been lynched.

Please send in all Night actions.

NB: I am on holiday. I should be able to start Day and hope to on Monday, maybe earlier.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story

Postby BigNose » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:12 am UTC

Despite being some of the most successful men of the current generation, no-one managed to do anything.
The body had been removed, for which everyone was grateful, and certainly noises were made in the night, but everyone else seemed fit and healthy.



Day Two - Bugs in the attic.

4 to lynch.
Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby StubbsKVM » Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:38 am UTC

no flip on Valius?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby bouer » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:54 pm UTC

I hope that was an error on BigNose' part, if lynched people's faction isn't revealed the mafia has a huge advantage over us.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby KrO2 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:00 pm UTC

Does "nobody managed to do anything" just mean no kills, or no nothing? A completely vanilla game would be even more surprising than a game without a reveal on death, if not as hard.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby wam » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:17 pm UTC

Yeah I was also expecting a reveal...
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby BigNose » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:09 pm UTC

A note is found slipped under the door


This is not an easy ride for you. You want to find out who died you need to unmask them. Not my fault you were too slow.

PS Who read my previous note?
Adacore wrote:In all honesty, BigNose has been pinging me slightly with almost every post since the start of the game. But he always does - I was utterly convinced he was anti-town for most of Wizardry2 and he was the High Wizard. I just can't read him.

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby wam » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:21 pm UTC

Well I guess that was me then I got this last night from the mod but didn't think much of it and then forgot about it.

You happen to be closest the door and hear a slight sound. Upon feeling around you discover an envelope. It’s difficult to read in the low light:

T=SB
To reveal, or not to reveal. That is the question.



TBH I thought it was somone with a PM ability trying to confuse all of us.

Maybe I should have replied with reveal or something I don't know?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby StubbsKVM » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:33 pm UTC

WTF!!
Hoodwinked into a meeting, you suddenly find yourself amongst your closest competition.
There have been boardroom fights, courtroom fights, slanging matches, buy-outs & sell-outs.
But the message that has been delivered to all is simple.

You need to survive!

You have some allies, who are not direct competition, but ‘Allies’ in this case means that they won’t stab you in the back.

The masks help disguise you.
The burka’s help disguise the roll-neck.
Hopefully they won’t recognise your pseudonym.


This might help us a bit. It's in BN's first post.

Roll-neck? Any idea what this could mean?

The SB part could be initials, not sure.
T= Town?

Any idea why you got that note wam?
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby UniqueScreenname » Tue Aug 06, 2013 12:55 pm UTC

I entirely forgot about this game. Sorry. More later.
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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby bouer » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:04 pm UTC

SB is probably Sergey Brin or Steve Ballmer. It seems to me that if you were saying SB is town you would say SB=T, not T=SB. Is there anything else T could stand for?

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Re: FaceBook vs Twitter, A Mafia Story D2 - A bug in the att

Postby StubbsKVM » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:06 pm UTC

Target?
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