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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act I, Scene I

Postby bessie » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:30 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:bessie earlier on rhymes her couplets
but has quoted shakespeare blank verse;
and claims her own restriction is quite hard


I want to state clearly, for at least the third time, that I do not have a poetry based posting restriction. And I don't want to be accused later of scumminess for leaving blank verse breadcrumbs to try to look townie.

The bard's fellowcountrymen are rather tired perhaps of our brilliancies of theorising.

Ninja'd by two posts.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Prologue

Postby freezeblade » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:49 pm UTC

bessie wrote:in all seriousness, I hope you don't let your posting restrictions keep you from playing the game. [u]My posting restriction will be a little difficult for me but I intend to just do the best I can.


From here is where I pulled this description
and thought I did it was a restriction
confused I was then with your posted verse
for it appears quite frequently, and yet;
in iambs and count five feet to stand on
These notes I made when still early in game
And update them not as we have moved on
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act I, Scene II

Postby mpolo » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:24 pm UTC

SHAKESPEARE: Rough winds of winter blow their air and make
the players chill. Together came they all,
To end the life of one whose countenance
Did show the spectrum of the feelings all,
From mad to glad to melanc'ly he fled.
But death's sad noose did end his life, it seems,
Unless perchance, this be a dream…

LEONARD: Not that!
Really, Bill, waking up and finding out that it was all a dream is really passé. On Dallas they got away with it, but it's not going to cut it here. We'll just let the players do their thing and by morning, maybe it'll be more clear if we have a tragedy or a comedy on our hands.

PUNCH and JUDY club one another with glee.

Exeunt.


Night has fallen. Moody7277 has been lynched. Night chat can begin for those who have it. Night will go on for about 2 days. Deadline counter

End Votals:

Lunch Meat (1): amanita
Djehutynakht (2): bessie, moody
Zyth (1): Gopher of Pern
moody7277 (7) : Djehutynakht, Minestrone, Lunch Meat, YOLOSWAG, Zyth, SDK
YOLOSWAG (1): USN
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby mpolo » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:48 pm UTC

Enter POLONIUS

POLONIUS: Neither a borrower, nor a lender be;
For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
This above all: to thine ownself be true,
Thus will I hide me behind the arras.

Enter CRAZED MOB with clubs and FLUELLEN.

MOBSTER 1: Where is that moody guy? Kill him! He must be scum!

MOBSTER 2: Hey, there's someone here behind the arras!

MOBSTER 1: Get him!

Alarum. They fight. POLONIUS dies.

MOBSTER 3: Look, he is wearing a medal from the International Benevolent Union of Misunderstood Bad Guys. I think that makes it clear what he truly is. Let's go to bed.

Enter PUCK

PUCK: If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended…

MOBSTER 3: I'd rather not, and hidden by this mob, no one will know who I am…

Slits PUCK's throat and exit.

FLUELLEN: I say, I will make him eat some part of my leek, or I will peat his pate four days. Bite, I pray you; it
is good for your green wound and your ploody coxcomb.

MOBSTER 4: Must I bite?

FLUELLEN: Yes, certainly, and out of doubt and out of question too, and ambiguities.

MOBSTER 4: By this leek, I will most horribly revenge: I eat and eat, I swear, you will rue this day.

Kills FLUELLEN.

FLUELLEN: I fall. By St. Davy, I was only there to help.

Enter WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE.

SHAKESPEARE: What have ye done? Two deaths in one scene? Maybe this is a tragedy…

Exeunt omnes.

Moody7277 is dead. He was POLONIUS, scum watcher. Bessie is dead. She was FLUELLEN, town backup power role. UniqueScreenname is dead. She was PUCK, independent survivor.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby SDK » Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:58 pm UTC

Well, good work folks.

Vote Gopher.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:37 pm UTC

SDK, any particular reason for your vote now? I know you found him scummy yesterday, is the vote just for the reasons already given?

I asked a question of Madge and freezeblade 26 hours before deadline. Madge didn't post at all and freezeblade, though he posted, didn't answer. I also asked GoP a question, but only two hours before deadline.

I also note Madge didn't vote for moody, even though she noted his scummy vote.

Going to take a closer look at the bandwagon yesterday and look through bessie's posts.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:44 pm UTC

EBWOP hit post too soon.

The sun hath risen somberly today
With mixed emotions gather we together
In satisfaction for a scum well caught
And sadness for our friend who will be missed
As well as for the one who could have been
Our ally. But alas, we have no time
For moments of silence to respect the dead.

SDK, any particular reason for your vote now? I know you found him scummy yesterday, is the vote just for the reasons already given?

I asked a question of Madge and freezeblade 26 hours before deadline. Madge didn't post at all and freezeblade, though he posted, didn't answer. I also asked GoP a question, but only two hours before deadline.

I also note Madge didn't vote for moody, even though she noted his scummy vote.

Going to take a closer look at the bandwagon yesterday to see who looks good and might have been bussing, and look through bessie's posts for any insights.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:14 pm UTC

but sifted though your posts have I yet done
Naught but the presence of absense I find
a question there may be hidden within
Unless the following comment be it:
Lunch meat wrote:For those accused by me or other folk,
I'll reread now before the day is done:
Freezeblade is where my current vote doth lie
Great many words he speaks, yet little's there
Has posted one reads post, and as I said
They seem unbold to me, and timorous
I'd like a response and more from him 'fore night.
If this is what you would like an answer
Soon after this post I did then respond
"And that is just like, your opinion, man"

If there be yet another question here
Then humor me and ask it yet again
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:44 pm UTC

The only two posts from you after mine
List players who post in verse and each's rhyth'm
and then respond to bessieabout hers
You posted not between my Monday post
And this onethat I posted Tuesday night
Unless I missed aught; pardon if I did
I hoped that I'd see more about your reads
Perchance opinions I'd not heard before
I also see at end of day no vote
Pray give us more, good sir; be not
Like mist that flees when one tries to take hold
Be like the eagle, bold and sure and strong.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:49 pm UTC

Of me missing some question in your post
I look back upon many pages past
To see perhaps some question there lurking
perhaps find earlier post that you speak
finding not questions or much posts at all
and disturbed that this quest finds so little
Calling me out you think you are doing
Some hero sheding light upon the lurk
yet to you I can only aspire
and only hold a candle in sunlight;
that is to your lurking throughout this game
this be a dangerous pattern to have
Vote: Lunch Meat is then how I start this day

ninja: (was your "question" really just "hey can I get some more content?" Because if it was, then I'm calling bullshit, because you have nearly -nothing-)
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:16 pm UTC

The average number of posts in D1 was 13. I have 12, and probably posted as much during the second half of the day as anyone. You have 18.

1-confirm
2-question SDK's vote
3-question SDK's claim
4-your flavor knowledge
5-encourage new players not to lurk
6-ask for votals after misunderstanding YOLO's claim
7-ask for votals again
8-comment on possibility of double voting scum
9-lurker vote
10-spec about SDK's role
11-saying you're going away for halloween
12-saying you're back from halloween
13-saying you were ninja'd
14-tells new players to unvote before voting again
15-long post responding to bessie's accusations
16-reads post, of which I thought much was unoriginal
17-long post about blank verse
18-response to bessie about her restriction

2, 3, 9, and 16 have real opinions about this game, and maybe the mechanics ones, 6, 8, 10. 16 is the only one with really any meat to it. And despite having over two days after catching up after Halloween and your big reads post, you didn't comment on anything after that, or vote, or respond to anyone's responses except about the blank verse restriction.

Active lurking, getting defensive when people comment on it, and mainly responding/arguing with those people about it (bessie on D1, for instance) instead of actually improving content or posting original opinions/analysis about the game, is all part of freezeblade's scum meta. Do you have blood on your hands?

vote freezeblade

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:48 pm UTC

About freezeblade, I'll add another thing,
If he wanted a lurker vote to start
the day, more options were aplenty there:
All amanita, GOP, and Madge
And SDK had same or fewer posts
Than me. (dimochka too, but he's replaced)
His vote for me over defensive is;
For I did not accuse, but just noted
The question asked and unanswered.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby SDK » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:52 pm UTC

Lunch Meat wrote:SDK, any particular reason for your vote now? I know you found him scummy yesterday, is the vote just for the reasons already given?

Pretty much, yeah. Did a quick review of the moody wagon, didn't notice anything noteworthy other than Gopher generally ignoring it, so voted in line with my read from Day 1. I'll look into all this more later, but seems as good a place as any to start the day.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:10 pm UTC

If playing this game is what you so wish
then the same manner your posts shall be
and coming ahead we'll see if you do


1. confirm
2. questions
3. answer accusation to role fishing
4. fluff
5. admits to lurking, self defense, safe comments
6. self defense, votes me
7. Accusing others of not having content
8. claims being busy
9. defends lurking due to other (ongoing) game
10. further defends lurking
11. generally safe analysis of a few players*
12. more analysis, but again, empasizes how your opinoins are changable
This one is actually a pretty good post. moody vote
13. few questions for players

*most of this analysis is "gives me something to think about" no real opinions

And now we see the truth in your posting
Nearly contentless near the beginning,
then few good posts once you were so called out
even then you defend your own lurking
with meta from still a on-going game

it is you who pings with scummy meta
lurking in shadows until someone sees
then attempt at keeping up appearance
try to get scruteny off of your own self


(I still fail to see what question you're taking about. Seriously. I've re-read all of your posts. If I still can't see a question after looking over your posts a 3rd time, then you weren't being clear.)
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:26 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:6. self defense, votes me


There was absolutely nothing of self defense in that post.

freezeblade wrote:7. Accusing others of not having content


It's true I noted SDK doesn't have as much content as usual, but I commented on other people as well.

freezeblade wrote:9. defends lurking due to other (ongoing) game

I responded to bessie's post, and commented on other things as well. You're ignoring what you don't want to comment on to make it seem like I'm not saying as much as I am and really reaching, not to mention I don't get how all my comments are "safe." At least I'm engaging with the game.

freezeblade wrote:11. generally safe analysis of a few players*
*most of this analysis is "gives me something to think about" no real opinions


I disagreed with your assertion about me (which was false), said your opinions were unoriginal, and said GoP's attack on Zyth was an easy target because of a different meta.

freezeblade wrote:[i]And now we see the truth in your posting
Nearly contentless near the beginning,
then few good posts once you were so called out
even then you defend your own lurking
with meta from still a on-going game


I only commented on the other game once my role/alignment was revealed, and I said nothing about any other player, nor my opinions of any other player, and I was careful not to invite speculation about any other people. I was talking about my feelings and my emotions only, not my meta. Again, you are reaching and twisting things to make it seem more scummy than it is.

freezeblade wrote:(I still fail to see what question you're taking about. Seriously. I've re-read all of your posts. If I still can't see a question after looking over your posts a 3rd time, then you weren't being clear.)


It's the poetry. "I'd like a response and more from him 'fore night." I wanted you to answer the accusation that your reads were unoriginal, and give more real content about the players, not overly long stuff about post restrictions.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Madge » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:37 pm UTC

Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,
It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come.


Sad to see Bessie gone; I was thinking she was town, liked her posts, etc. Glad to see for once I wasn't wrong. Will have to have a look through her posts when I get a bit more time.

SDK, why are you voting Gopher?

I didn't vote for moody or post at the end because I checked back on the thread and Moody was well and truly leading the votals so I didn't see a reason to add my vote and get things closer to a hammer. I don't think I vote on D1 very often, so I hope that satisfies you.

ninja: I was going to say that Lunch Meat is being bizarrely evasive on the "what question didn't FB answer" issue, but I'm glad she seems to have fixed that up now.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:42 pm UTC

Lunch Meat wrote:It's the poetry. "I'd like a response and more from him 'fore night." I wanted you to answer the accusation that your reads were unoriginal, and give more real content about the players, not overly long stuff about post restrictions.


So let me get this straight: You're harping on me for "not responding to your question" When in fact your "question" wasn't in the form of a question at all, and seemed far more like a comment on your opinion about my reads? I'm sorry if you think they are unorigional, but that's just your opinion, and I didn't think this cast-off comment merited any recognition at all, because it is your opinion. In the same way that it is my opinion that your reads are overy safe, especally when they aren't concrete thoughts, but fuzzy ones that have lots of "well they give me something to think about." Do you have anything else of mine to pick on? or are you just going to tow the "well you didn't answer my question" line? I'm not the only one who saw you as scummy D1, as I'm sure you know, as you have clearly read other people's posts as you were sitting there lurking.

Sorry for the lack of prose. I have a meeting to go to and can't form this up in a verse post.

For now we wait and maybe there are some
to shed some light on the day has begun
yadda yadda to the meeting I go
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Fri Nov 07, 2014 10:51 pm UTC

I didn't "harp." I noted it, as I noted other things. If you had said, "what question" I would have told you, and you would have answered (even if that answer was just, "it's just your opinion"), and everything would have been great. Instead you asked what question, and then without waiting for me to clarify attacked me and voted me for lurking (when, again, others are lurking far worse).

I'm sorry I said question when there was no question mark, but if you had just asked I would have explained what I meant.

And it's not just that you didn't answer, but you didn't respond to any posts or analysis anyone gave after your reads, other than about the blank verse restriction.

I really, really hope everyone else can see how defensive freezeblade is being right now.

Madge wrote:ninja: I was going to say that Lunch Meat is being bizarrely evasive on the "what question didn't FB answer" issue, but I'm glad she seems to have fixed that up now.


I honestly didn't realize he didn't know, since he quoted it.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:12 pm UTC

go back and read my posts today.
- I did ask what question
- I quoted it, didnt' understand it was a question, but answered it anyway, with a "that's you're opinion"
- not harping? it's been the subject of your posts for quite some time.

I was already getting a post ready, then your attack on me showed up as I was typing, which I thought it was more important to respond to. Then as I was looking back at your posts, looking for the "question" I realized how active-lurky and fuzzy you've been on opinions. This is worse than "not actually here" lurking. You haven't been proded, but have been paying enough attention that when you are called out, you show up. You also fully admitted to lurking here in order to not look suspicious in another game (which is a really convinient claim, and a townie action at all).

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby freezeblade » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:13 pm UTC

EBWOP "not a townie action at all"
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:01 am UTC

The subject of my posts has been how defensive you are being. It's weird that you can't see that.

freezeblade wrote:I quoted it, didnt' understand it was a question, but answered it anyway, with a "that's you're opinion"

Technically, you said you answered it yesterday. Which is why I went back and read through your posts to make sure I wasn't missing anything. And you didn't answer it yesterday. Then you voted me before I could even answer. And not explicitly for active lurking either, but for not having "much posts at all."

Lunch Meat]I hoped that I'd see more about your reads
Perchance opinions I'd not heard before[/quote]
And how does this not clarify what I was asking for? It seems to me you're hardly reading what I'm writing.

[quote="freezeblade wrote:
I was already getting a post ready, then your attack on me showed up as I was typing, which I thought it was more important to respond to.

Please note that this is what freezeblade is labeling an "attack":
Lunch Meat wrote:I asked a question of Madge and freezeblade 26 hours before deadline. Madge didn't post at all and freezeblade, though he posted, didn't answer. I also asked GoP a question, but only two hours before deadline.


The "fuzzy opinion" thing is your opinion. You note other people saw me as scummy, but I would like to note others said my content was quite good once I finally started posting. Nor am I the only one who is finding you scummy. bessie did--and she's dead now. I would like to know what other people's opinion is of this whole thing.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:07 am UTC

freezeblade wrote:I'm not the only one who saw you as scummy D1, as I'm sure you know, as you have clearly read other people's posts as you were sitting there lurking.

freezeblade wrote:You haven't been proded, but have been paying enough attention that when you are called out, you show up.

I've really been trying to set aside the beginning of the game and focus on playing the best I can the rest of the game, given how frustrated I was and how poorly and personally I was taking it. Since I last responded to bessie about it I haven't mentioned it at all, nor apologized for not posting or commented on my posting frequency. I haven't been called out. I've been engaged with the thread and commenting on what's going on as well as evaluating what other people are saying and going back to reread. You are editorializing based on things you can't possibly know (how much I was reading the thread while not posting), describing me extremely disingenuously and putting me in the worst possible light, and i think you are doing it on purpose.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Minestrone » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:22 am UTC

I'm away for the weekend and posting on my phone, so I can't do any big analysis/long posts until Sunday evening but I would like to point out that LM was third on the moody wagon yesterday, which makes me find her very townie, and in light of this the exchange between her and fb has significantly lowered my opinion of fb. Will have to go over things in more detail before I vote but LM asked for others to chime in so that's my take.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Gopher of Pern » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:07 am UTC

Third on a wagon, townie you think?
Goes against the general rule, of third scum.

Probably the best we could have asked for from day 1.

Regarding my thoughts from yesterday, I no longer think SDK is scum, despite the vote on me, though I do have some concerns over their late vote on moody. Most of my pings from them were from early on, and they have since played more like SDK town. Moody I didn't have much of a read from, they seemed typical, but they weren't helping alot. There was no point in changing my vote that late, as they were going to be lynched, so I didn't have an opinion either way. Minestrone, You don't believe the most scummy looking is also the most likely to be scum? Of course, Jester's screw with that logic, but I have little experience with good jester play, so I dont see whats wrong with going after the scummiest looking. My third choice at that stage probably would have been Yolo, due to their extreme defence of Zyth. There is no reason for that, unless they know they are town, or they are scum themselves. Although, with todays information, I no longer think Yolo is scum, because I doubt scum would put the deciding vote on moody.

On to today's stuff:I always get a townie vibe off freeeblade, but that was when they ended up being scum, so I find it hard to read. So I would lean towards freeze being scum over LM, if I had to choose between the two of them.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Minestrone » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:20 am UTC

Well third on a wagon for a townie lynch is scummy, but third on the wagon for lynching scum would be a pretty dramatic act of bussing D1. I suppose they could be an SK or something but for now I'm thinking town.
As far as scummy vs scummy looking, generally they are related but new players or players with a different playstyle might end up looking scummy whether or not they're scum. Your going after Zyth struck me as going after someone who looked scummy and thus would be easy to lynch, rather than going after the person who's most likely to be scum.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | Zyth » Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:41 am UTC

To lynch the GoP I say we do today
Reasons I have stated sometime before
vote: Gopher of Pern
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:16 am UTC

Perhaps the last words of our fallen friends
May rise like phoenixes and give us aid
Though they died may their wisdom guide our way.

bessie--
voted SDK early on, but later was pretty sure he was town.
voted FB twice for rolespec and for active lurking
voted me once for rolefishing
voted DJ for posting fluff
said several times was strongly suspicious of people not posting and blaming post restriction
was good with USN, amanita, Minestrone, and Zyth.
Asked GOP to post more early on.
No clear opinion on Yoloswag or dimochka/kalira, though she commented on them.

USN--
IGMEOY'd dimochka/kalira for asking for vote from Yolo.
wanted to lynch SDK if no other options early on. (her speccing about him being a survivor was apparently a softclaim, but saying she would want to lynch him was weird)
also didn't vote moody, pretty much same reasons as bessie.
argued with bessie
voted Zyth for his vote on her
did not think GOP was a threat
thought Madge's hesitation was suspicious.

We also know that foul moody had
Some evil partners in our company
I'll read back through his posts as well tonight
See who among us were his foes and friends.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Djehutynakht » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:24 am UTC

Fair Warning All,

Ill be away till Sunday night/monday in a conference. Scumhunting shall begin anew once those two days have been through.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:01 pm UTC

...Did freezeblade just vote for Lunch Meat? Yikes, I'm not feeling that vote whatsoever.

Also, is it common practice to wait until the night is over to reveal the flip? Just curious.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:10 pm UTC

Also, there must be an SK. That's the only reason USN could have died over some of the other players we have running around.

More points towards SDK being scum! Excellent.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:25 pm UTC

Hm. Scratch the above for now. My logic was that due to a probable SK that SDK's bulletproof status is consistent with such a role. I thought more about it and went back to it being null, because if I had both the mafia killing and an SK, that I would likely throw in a bulletproof townie as well. So it can go either way.

Freezeblade, I can't help but think that your vote on Lunch Meat is convenient considering you dropped it only after she started pressuring you. Do you truly believe her to be the scummiest slot in the game?

My reads haven't changed that much from yesterday. I need more content from some of the playerlist, but I trust that will come in time.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:41 am UTC

There follows here, for length in spoiler'd form
A list of play'rs with moody's thoughts and words
To them, and theirs to him. One bird we've caught
In hand; let's search the bush for more.
Spoiler:
Freezeblade - first read was townie, then neutral. no real explanation for the change. freezeblade had him mostly townie, few posts but content-ful.

Lunch Meat - first read was neutral, then neutral scum. voted me. I voted third after rereading top scum candidates.

UniqueScreenname (independent) - first read was neutral town.

Gopher of Pern - first read was neutral. GOP said his level of contributions were normal, but didn't like his vote on DJ. I asked GOP who he would vote for if not SDK or Zyth, since he didn't think moody was scummy. no answer yet.

Djehutynakht - first read was townie for setup spec, later slightly scummy for fluff. he asked DJ about LM. Then voted him later, which really started the bandwagon because it tied the vote. DJ voted him second for tying the vote.

Minestrone - first read was town. Minestrone voted him first for fluff and nonconfrontational questions and reads. Then Minestrone voted Zyth to retie the votes and then went back to moody. Minestrone said he would be satisfied with a GOP lynch, but thought moody was scummier.

Madge - insufficient data for his first read. Madge said Minestrone made a good point about him. Then she asked him why he voted.

SDK - he commented on his opening vote. first read was neutral slightly town. had him townish for good reads list but need more content. SDK asked him to ask questions. SDK votes moody sixth, though he thought DJ was scummy, said he "fully supported it", was inspired, moody "looked pretty bad." Distancing?

bessie (town) - asked him for more content. his first read was townie. he asked her about lyncher mechanic and she responded.

dimochka/kalira - his first read was neutral, no other interactions

Zyth - he commented on their opening vote along with SDK. first read was neutral. later asked Zyth about the vote. Zyth wanted to lynch GOP but said he would compromise on moody. Voted him fifth with no explanation given at that time (seemed to be normal, gave no explanation at the time of voting me either).

amanita - replied to him about DJ's setup spec. first read was neutral.

YOLOSWAG - he said the double voting thing would sort itself out*. first read was neutral town. YOLO voted him fourth for active lurking.

*Side note, it seemed to, but we don't actually know whether or not he can vote more than once in a day, since it's difficult to prove a negative.

These things stand out to me as I reread:

The Pernéd Gopher seemed to be averse
to take a stand on moody, or indeed
On other players than Zyth & SDK.

With Minestrone's vote the bandwagon
Did start; though given opportunities
to change it later on, he never did.
The first vote could have been a move to put
A distance 'twixt himself and moody, but
He could have drawn attention elsewhere
And tried to start another wagon when
Votes started piling up, but didn't.
This seems quite townie, so I'd trust him most.

On Madge's radar it seemed moody was,
She questions him and comments about him
But doesn't take a stand. This worries me.
She said she usually doesn't vote D1,
If true, I hope to improve my view of her
As later days go by and we see more.

The sixth and last vote went to SDK;
He followed DJ, who he had as scum
I think he overjustified his vote
Attempting to seem townie and sincere
And claim as much esteem as possible
For finding moody scummy so lately.

Gopher, you say you no longer think SDK or Yolo is scum. Who are your top picks now, and who's your top town? What do you think of Zyth now?

SDK, I'm not sure what I find suspicious about your vote is something that can be explained. I would like to know what you think of DJ now. Overall your tone seems more townie than not to me, but I'll keep my eye on you as the game goes by.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Lunch Meat » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:47 am UTC

#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:Hm. Scratch the above for now. My logic was that due to a probable SK that SDK's bulletproof status is consistent with such a role. I thought more about it and went back to it being null, because if I had both the mafia killing and an SK, that I would likely throw in a bulletproof townie as well. So it can go either way.

Two deaths can also be quite good for town
A vig we might have with a killing pow'r.
I can't believe a townie would have thought
That bessie ought to die, but USN
Could have been targeted by vig, SK
Or scum; each seems equally possible.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Minestrone » Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:46 pm UTC

A comment on the flavor: I never really considered Polonius to be a villain, so him being scum leaves an odd taste. That just makes the whole tragic heroes thing seem even more useless, if we can't expect scum to be clear cut villains anyway. Also not sure what use scum would have for a watcher, though it does fit the flavor.

It's hard to decide between Freezeblade and Gopher to lynch, they both seem scummy. Freezeblade I saw as somewhat scummy yesterday until the tragic heroes thing, but I don't take much stock in that anymore and the fight with Lunch Meat is even scummier. Gopher was scummy yesterday and is even scummier today given moody's scum flip. I think we should go with him first. Let's root out the gopher!

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Gopher of Pern » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:01 am UTC

I am a man, More sinn'd against than sinning.
Thou art a boil, a plague sore, an embossed carbuncle in my corrupted blood.

How am I scummier because of moody's scum flip? No logic there.

Lunch Meat, if you read, I answered your question. It came late in the day, and the deadlines appear as I'm sleeping, so I dont get a chance to reply. As to your question, Zyth is still my top scum pick, due to not answering my questions and outright lying, and being no help to town whatsoever. I'm also suspicious of freezeblade, but thats only in the context of you vs him. I''d pick him as scum over you. Otherwise, Minestrone is pinging me a little bit, I will have to go over their posts for more detail though. As for town? Yolo and Dj are the only ones I wouldn't consider lynching at the moment, though I am still displeased with Yolo's behaviour.

Yes Yolo, it is normal for the reveal to happen in the morning, so no information about the lynch target helps nightly activities.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | Zyth » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:11 am UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote: As to your question, Zyth is still my top scum pick, due to not answering my questions and outright lying, and being no help to town whatsoever.

lol
What questions? What lies?
Can we lynch him already? If he magically escapes the lynch today I will ensure he dies tomorrow.

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act I, Scene I

Postby Gopher of Pern » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:25 am UTC

#HBC | Zyth wrote:
Gopher of Pern wrote:
#HBC | Zyth wrote:
Gopher of Pern wrote: Zyth now, made themselves an easy target. They've barely contributed, posted votes without explanation, told us to count the scummy moves as null. I'm getting heavy pings from them, so I voted accordingly.

1. untrue
2. playstyle differences
3. untrue
There, I addressed your concerns with me.


#HBC | Zyth wrote:Friends thing with freezeblade was me being silly and jumping to conclusions. Won't say exactly what it is but I will say that I'd prefer not to reveal it right now. No, it was not me trying out some crazy gambit. Take it as null.


We can add lying to the list.

untrue again


I've already gone through this with you, you didn't answer, so I don't see what more I need to add.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby #HBC | Zyth » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:04 pm UTC

Questions? None do I see. Lying, you accuse
But why do I see none of that you say?

Also you have this huge scum read on me, why are you not voting me?

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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby SDK » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:31 pm UTC

Lunch Meat is town. I'm good with that. I'll have to reread freezeblade. I recall having a slight town read on him, but I'll have to check why and whether or not that should be invalidated by his outrage today.

Lunch Meat wrote:SDK, I'm not sure what I find suspicious about your vote is something that can be explained. I would like to know what you think of DJ now. Overall your tone seems more townie than not to me, but I'll keep my eye on you as the game goes by.

Which vote is suspicious? My vote on moody or my vote on Gopher?

DJ is probably town, based exclusively on his moody vote. I still don't totally trust his intentions, but there's nothing solid enough there to override the fact that he started the moody wagon. If he is scum, he'll slip at some point and we can lynch him in a couple days.

Glad to see the Gopher wagon is going somewhere. Things to do: 1) reread the game with moody's interactions in mind, 2) reread freezeblade, 3) give Gopher a proper case.
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Re: Shakespeare Mafia - Act II, Scene I

Postby Minestrone » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:52 pm UTC

Gopher of Pern wrote:How am I scummier because of moody's scum flip? No logic there.

As lunch meat said, your analysis of them lacks meat and while the wagon is forming you fail to take a stand, instead claiming that you're "not getting much of a read." You go on derail the conversation with your big argument with Zyth and Yolo. Not as scummier as you would look actively defending them I suppose, but certainly not any townier.

Speaking of that argument, it looks like it's threatening to start again. The "lying" thing is based on a disagreement of fact: Gopher says the line about the "blade of ice" is scummy, Zyth says it's null, Gopher says he's scummy for calling it null, Zyth still considers it null and therefore disagrees. It's pointless to argue that further unless one of them has something new and insightful to say about the actual line in question.

I would probably find Zyth scummier if I didn't find Gopher so scummy. Their posts tend to be short and avoid in depth analysis, if it's a playstyle difference I hope they'll adjust soon, and if Gopher were to flip town I'd have to take a closer look at them.


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