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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:52 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:@flicky: as you know jimbob's actual ability, can you tell me if what I say makes sense or is there really some crazy mechanic that makes it worse for emlightened to protect him?
The ability that jimbob told me would mean emlightened shouldn't protect him even if it looks like that would be better for us, yes. It really is impossible to say more without revealing the ability.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:58 pm UTC

Thanks. Trust me to come up with a 100% plan where the only drawback is an unknown ability... :?

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:00 pm UTC

OK, on the off-chance I don't get to post tomorrow morning, and since it seems to be the closest we have to a consensus...

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:05 pm UTC

No consensus. Lynching Madge first isn't 100% either as that way moody remains alive and scum!dimochka can have penpal protection against investigations.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:17 pm UTC

Oh right...

Gah, I might end up not having a vote on anyone by deadline then. If there's a plan in the morning I'll happily go along with it as I'm not going to pretend to have gone into the same level of analysis as you and jimbob.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:37 pm UTC

It should be either 'lynch moody, investigate dimochka' or 'lynch dimochka, use guns' at this point. My current list:

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mpolo

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dimochka

Madge
moody
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I want to vote for moody.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:21 pm UTC

If we fail to get results on dimochka, we lynch him surely? I doubt very much that there are two godfather powers, just as I doubt that if we are both cops that we are both non-sane cops, so I'll be treating No Result the same as Scum, basically. It would be way too much misinformation for town to have to deal with otherwise. I have yet to see a plan from you Sabrar that doesn't require Madge to co-operate.

FWIW, the lack of content from moody today isn't particularly persuading me that he is town mind you.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby moody7277 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:46 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:No consensus. Lynching Madge first isn't 100% either as that way moody remains alive and scum!dimochka can have penpal protection against investigations.


Where is it written that you or jimbob can't get an investigation on someone if their penpal is still alive? All I know is that lynching me makes it so that dimochka couldn't sabotage future guns. It does nothing about guns already handed out, which we only have his word about not being booby-trapped.

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TBH, since you're seriously considering my demise as part of the sweep to assure a town win, I'm not feeling particularly talkative. If I had my preference, I'd prefer to be vigged than lynched today, but since I'm going to win with town, I'm coming not to mind either way.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Madge » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:25 am UTC

Guys, I would love to post but I somehow spent 4 hours in bed not able toget to sleep, so I am about to go back to bed and see if I can get some sleep. I'm absolutely not going to be able to evaluate a plan, let alone come up with a perfect one.

I'm not sure exactly when the deadline is but I intend to vote with Sabrar, since I think he's got 95% town's interests and 5% my interests in mind (even though I still suspect him of being scum... go figure).

I'm sure I'll be back around in another few hours and will place a vote down. How far is deadline anyway?
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 3:49 am UTC

Deadline is at 3:43pm UTC today (12 hours from now).

moody7277 wrote:Where is it written that you or jimbob can't get an investigation on someone if their penpal is still alive?

We can't trust 100% in our investigation results unless the penpal is dead as Carlington's GF protection might not be the only one.

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:I have yet to see a plan from you Sabrar that doesn't require Madge to co-operate.

How about plan D? Lynch moody, you investigate dimochka, I shoot flicky, emlightened protects whoever (not you), dimochka gives gun to mpolo. For analysis use same assumptions as with plan C.

Case 1.a: scum kills emlightened or mpolo, flicky is dead (3-1-1 or 4-1). Your investigation result tells us whether dimochka is Town, if he is lynch me and Madge, if he isn't lynch dimochka.
Case 1.b: scum kills emlightened or mpolo, flicky is alive (4-1-1 or 5-1). I might have lied about using the gun, or scum!flicky is Bulletproof or scum!Madge targeted flicky with another action. If investigation on dimochka gives non-Town it's easy, if he's Town lynch flicky, then Madge. then shoot me during the night.
Case 2.a: scum kills jimbob, flicky is dead (3-1-1 or 4-1). Lynch dimochka, then Madge, both mpolo and emlightened shoot me during the night.
Case 2.b.i: scum kills jimbob, both flicky and me are alive (4-1-1 or 5-1). dimochka didn't rig my gun, lynch flicky, lynch Madge, mpolo shoots me, emlightened shoots dimochka.
Case 2.b.ii: scum kills jimbob, flicky alive, I'm dead: dimochka rigged my gun, lynch him.
Case 3: two people other then flicky and myself die during the night. Should only happen if I'm scum and shot someone else. Lynch me.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 5:42 am UTC

BTW according to a pm still sitting in my outbox, Snark hasn't visited the forum since Friday morning (and possibly earlier). Anyone has any info?

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby mpolo » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:16 am UTC

Lynching Madge was my first choice at the beginning of the day. I am open to other options if they get consensus. I will be back before deadline.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:29 am UTC

I've run through Sabrar's latest plan, and I think it's good. The only minor modification is that for cases 1a and 2a, we should lynch Madge before you/dimochka, as that guarantees town majority D5. Otherwise survivor!Madge could decide to side with scum and block a lynch.

In case I don't get a chance to post later:

Vote moody

Sorry for the collateral damage this plan may cause... As a side point, I doubt dimochka has protection of any kind, as his ability is very similar to SirG's berry juice in Pypokemon.

To summarise tonight's actions:
I cop dimochka
Emlightened protects someone other than me
Dimochka gives gun to mpolo
Sabrar shoots flicky
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby mpolo » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:14 am UTC

Trusting the cops…

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:37 am UTC

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:The only minor modification is that for cases 1a and 2a, we should lynch Madge before you/dimochka, as that guarantees town majority D5.

Works for me.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Madge » Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:42 am UTC

Vote: moody

I oppose any plan that involves lynching me before, well, anyone, but hopefully everything will shake out in the wash before that becomes an issue.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:37 am UTC

Reiterating the plan before someone hammers:
jimbob cops dimochka
emlightened protects someone other than jimbob
dimochka gives gun to mpolo
Sabrar shoots flicky

Also making emlightened aware that we're still playing. :)

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:51 am UTC

Despite the obvious negative to the plan from my point of view, I'm fine with it.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby moody7277 » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:14 pm UTC

Hail Caesar, we who are about to die, salute you.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 1:18 pm UTC

@moody: if Snark doesn't get back to the forums in 1-2 days, would you be willing to take over modding the rest of the game?

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby dimochka » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:54 pm UTC

ok with plan, don't think moody is scum but that's irrelevant. not hammering to give a chance for emlightened to come back first.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jun 28, 2016 2:57 pm UTC

flicky already hammered.
Votes in order for moody: jimbob, mpolo, Madge, Sabrar, flicky; 5 out of 8.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:38 am UTC

Per Sabrar's post in the replacement requests thread, if Snark doesn't come back and you need a replacement mod, I am willing
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:46 am UTC

Thank you!

@everyone: please forward all relevant pm-s to Carlington!

dimochka wrote:...

emlightened wrote:...

flicky1991 wrote:...

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:...

Madge wrote:...

moody7277 wrote:...

mpolo wrote:...

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:44 am UTC

Does that include all the Pen Pal chat PMs?
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:26 am UTC

Assuming I've taken over the mod role: flicky's vote was hammer, so the day has ended. I won't start the night until I have all the relevant information, though. Once I have it, I'll set a deadline for night actions.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Wed Jun 29, 2016 7:27 am UTC

Also flicky, I'm not too concerned about getting all the old penpal chat PMs, but I will need to know who is partnered with whom.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:01 am UTC

I'll forward mine once I'm not phone posting, but aren't we getting a bit ahead of ourselves? It's not been 24 hours since deadline. Also, from the rules, there is a chance that some of us are not sane, so Carlington, you'll have to account for possible hidden mechanics. Snark posted in Gojoe, so he might have put something there.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:08 am UTC

As I mentioned earlier I've sent Snark a pm last Friday and it's still sitting in my Outbox, meaning he hasn't been on the forums since. I don't think it's too early to look for replacement. You have a good point there with role sanity though.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Madge » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:10 am UTC

I think with you guys only getting town results at worst we've got naive, but if e.g. emlightened's PM says that they're the last mafia, then the fact that you got a town result means that you might be insane for example, so carlington can work it out with all the roles.

We should probably also give our targets on previous nights as that would effect how things went (e.g. Flicky's ability)
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby flicky1991 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:45 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:As I mentioned earlier I've sent Snark a pm last Friday and it's still sitting in my Outbox, meaning he hasn't been on the forums since.
Can't someone send him a message on IRC (foonetic)? I can't do that at work but I know Carlington's been on there before as well.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby dimochka » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:04 am UTC

How long are we thinking of waiting?
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Madge » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:07 am UTC

Carlington, do you think you have enough info to continue right now?
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:22 am UTC

Sorry, it has been quite a weekend and this thread did not show up in search so I thought that all was quiet. I have all the information, I'll look at what night actions I have received in the next few hours. If I get all the actions I'll move to day phase asap, else:
Deadline for night is at 6pm Tuesday, about 50 hours and 40 minutes from now (08:00 Tuesday, 5 July UTC)
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Sun Jul 03, 2016 10:24 am UTC

All living players have been informed of the start of N3 and of the deadline for N3 by private message. If you are alive and didn't receive a PM, please let me know as soon as possible.

moody7277 has been lynched, role reveal in the morning.

Deadline for the night phase in ~46 hours
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:42 am UTC

The suspense is killing me.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:31 pm UTC

Deadline for night has passed. I'll post the results as quick as possible.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Carlington » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:49 pm UTC

moody7277 has been lynched. He was a Town Tracker

You are town. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

You are a Tracker. You may track one player each night and see one player they visited.

As long as your Pen Pal is alive, you may use your action on up to two players on even numbered nights (N2, N4, N6...).


flicky1991 has been killed. He was a Town Lighthouse Keeper.

You are town. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

You are a Lighthouse Keeper. The night after you die is skipped due to darkness and all night actions are ignored. (example: If lynched D1, N1 is skipped. If killed N1, N2 is skipped.)

As long as your Pen Pal is alive, during any night in which you are the target of more than one action, all the night's actions targeting you will fail.

Your Pen Pal PM will arrive shortly.



emlightened has been killed. She was a Town Doctor, and while her penpal was alive she could not save scum.

Day 4 has now begun.
Since flicky1991 was killed, there will be no Night 4, and the game will progress directly to Day 5 at the end of Day 4. Deadline for Day 4 is exactly 5 days from this post. Since weekends count down half as fast, deadline is in exactly 7 days.
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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Madge » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:00 pm UTC

So, what was the plan again?

Everything seems to have flipped above board.

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Re: Pen Pals Mafia [D3: Dear Zachary]

Postby Sabrar » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:06 pm UTC

Carlington wrote:Deadline for Day 4 is exactly 5 days from this post. Since weekends count down half as fast, deadline is in exactly 7 days.

The underlined do not seem to match up.

Regardless, I shot flicky as announced, evidently gun was not rigged. Alive players should be:

1. Sabrar
3. jimbobmacdoodle
6. dimochka
8. mpolo
10. Madge

with at most one anti-town role remaining and jimbob and mpolo confirmed Town (plus dimochka almost surely).
jimbob should have investigated dimochka, mpolo should have received a gun. Therefore the plan is extremely easy:

1. Lynch Madge
2. If game is not over mpolo shoots me

Will vote for Madge once everyone confirms the above, no need to drag this out for a week.


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