Secret Hitler - D7: July 1932

[RoadieRich]

Secret Hitler

The year is 1932. Germany is still ravaged by the aftermath of the first world war. One man wants to restore the country to it's former glory, but at what cost?

You can download the rules here.
(Dropbox link to the rules)

The game needs at least five players, but can run with up to 10.
1. Carlington
2. mpolo
3. Lawrencelot (can't download the rules, link is broken)
4. Gopher of Pern
5. moody7277

Replacements:
1. JackHK
2. ConMan (realised I will probably be otherwise occupied around the time this runs)
3. Madge (only available as a replacement, please don't bump me into players)

Rules

Spoiler:

We're going with a pretty much exact copy of the IRL rules as a trial: this is the first time I've tried this as a Play-by-post game, although I have GM'd a few IRL games.

Win conditions
The Liberals win if:

1. Five Liberal policies are enacted.
2. Hitler is Executed.

The Fascists win if:

1. Six Fascist policies are enacted.
2. Hitler is elected Chancellor after the 3rd Fascist policy is enacted.

Gameplay
There are 3 main phases:

1. Election
2. Policy
3. Executive Action

Election
Each month (yes, we're working on a compressed timescale, deal with it), the President "role" will be passed to the next player on the list. That President nominates the Chancellor, subject to the restriction that neither the previous President nor Chancellor of the last successfully elected Parliament are eligible for nomination. That means that if players A and B were president and Chancellor respectively of the parliament that received the last Ja vote, B can be president, but neither A nor B can be chancellor.. Then, the government (President and Chancellor) will be voted on Ja (approve) or Nein (dissaprove), failure to vote or ties counting as Nein. If the majority vote Nein, the president moves to the next player, and we start again at the top.

If there are three Nein votes, a random policy will be enacted by the standing president.


Policy
This is effectively, Night. In a IRL game, this is done in silence.
The president will then receive an Agenda of three policies, drawn randomly from a deck of Fascist and Liberal policies. At the start of the game, the deck consists of 6 Liberal and 11 Fascist policies.

The President discards one policy, and passes the other two to the Chancellor, who picks one to enact, discarding the other.

After this, talking can resume.

Executive Action
If the policy enacted was Fascist, the President may get to utilize an Executive Action.
1st, 2nd: None
3rd: The President is informed of the Agenda (policies) the next president will select from.
4th: The president can Execute (publicly) one player.
5th: The president can Execute one player, and the Veto ability is unlocked.

I will explain Veto if and when it becomes relevant - or check out the rules linked above.

I am letting anyone PM any other player at any time posting in thread is permitted, provided that I am CC'd.

This is a five player game, so there will be one Fascist, Hitler, and three liberals. Hitler and the Fascist will know who each other are

You are Liberal.

You are Hitler. Your supporter is <x>.

You are Fascist. Hitler is <y>.

The game will start after all five players have confirmed.

Carlington is president. No policies have been enacted.

[Carlington]

Ich bestätige mich, fertig zu spielen!

[Gopher of Pern]

Confirming, mein fuhrer!

Wait, no....

Confirming, fellow liberals!

[moody7277]

Confirming

[RoadieRich]

just to make things clear, nominations, votes, executive actions etc. should all be made in the same manner as votes in a traditional manner:

Nominate Chancellor: <x>

Vote: Nein/ja

Execute: <y>

I also forgot to mention the Term Limit rule in the OP: neither the previous President nor Chancellor of the last successfully elected Parliament are eligible for nomination as Chancellor. That means that if players A and B were subject of the last Ja vote, B can be president, but neither A nor B can be chancellor.

[Lawrencelot]

Confirm

[mpolo]

Jawohl. Ich bin hier. Ich bin kein Eidechse-Hitler! Es lebe die Republik!

[RoadieRich]

I don't speak German, but I'm assuming everyone has confirmed. It is now Day 1, January 1932, Election phase.

Carlington is president. No policies have been enacted. No one has been nominated Chancellor.

[Carlington]

In keeping with the democratic nature of our Republic, I would like to confer with my fellow parliamentarians before nominating a Chancellor. I know that we have yet to work together, so we should perhaps talk amongst ourselves and miteinander kennenlernen - get to know each other.

For real though, this isn't super similar to Mafia I've played, so I'm a little unsure how to proceed. I don't want to just plow ahead and nominate someone at random, though.

[mpolo]

I think we're all flying a little blind here. Maybe it's worth going through the possible policies and seeing which fascist policies would be acceptable to enact, or if we want to keep a completely clean slate and not let any fascist policies through.

[Carlington]

I don't think that we can see the policies ahead of time, just the president and chancellor get to see whichever are relevant to them each legislative phase/night. Either way, though, I don't think we can bet on a completely clean slate. Nothing can prevent three fascist policies being drawn in one legislative phase, and if I'm understanding correctly then a veto isn't possible until five fascist policies have been enacted - i.e. the eleventh hour

[Lawrencelot]

I'll nominate myself for Chancellor. I'm interested to see what policies there are. Plus, it gives Carlington some information about me since he will get to know what policy I discard, if I understood correctly.

[mpolo]

Is this an official nomination (boldfaced), or a suggestion?

[moody7277]

Is this an official nomination (boldfaced), or a suggestion?

How about we make it official?

Nominate Chancellor: Lawrencelot

[Carlington]

That won't do anything, since I'm the President. I nominate someone as Chancellor and then everyone votes on whether they want me and whoever as President and Chancellor. If they get up then we go to night and do the thing, if not then the next person becomes President.

[mpolo]

So, here on the first day, we don't have a whole lot of information to make an informed election of Chancellor. I imagine this works a lot like Resistance, where we probably want to reject a couple out of principle to see what people tend to nominate what people.

[RoadieRich]

That won't do anything, since I'm the President. I nominate someone as Chancellor and then everyone votes on whether they want me and whoever as President and Chancellor.

This is correct.

Please do not hesitate to ask if there is anything I missed, or explained poorly, it is inevitable, seeing as this is the first time I've seen this as a PbP.

[Gopher of Pern]

So moody, why do you want Lawrencealot at Chancellor? Is he your Fascist buddy?

Basically, there isn't much to talk about until Carlington makes a nom.

Ok, just re-read the rules. Basically, there is no reason to enact a fascist policy if there are liberal ones, at first. There are no actions until the third fascist policy is enacted, where the president gets to examine the top 3 cards. The 4th and 5th fascist policies will allow the president to assassinate people.

So, if a fascist policy gets picked early, I'll be looking hard at the President and the Chancellor.

[moody7277]

So moody, why do you want Lawrencealot at Chancellor? Is he your Fascist buddy?

I assume you'd prefer your Fascist buddy as Chancellor? Right now we're just gathering information. It doesn't get hairy until the third fascist policy get enacted.

[Carlington]

Nominate: Gopher of Pern

[RoadieRich]

Gopher of Pern has been nominated as Chancellor.

As votes in the IRL game are revealed simultaneously, please submit your vote, Ja or Nein, by pm to me. Any votes not received by 48 hours from this post will be assumed to be Nein.

Votes will be revealed simultaneously, but will not be anonymous.

[Carlington]

Can we still post here in the intermining period?

Since I am the one who nominated, do I vote?

[RoadieRich]

Can we still post here in the intermining period?

Since I am the one who nominated, do I vote?

Yes to both questions. I will let everyone know when posting is forbidden.

[Gopher of Pern]

Well, I obviously agree with the nomination. For the liberals!

[RoadieRich]

Less than 16 hours to go before voting deadline.

[Lawrencelot]

Sure, Gopher seems like a good choice.

[RoadieRich]

voting booths are now closed. Here is theresults of the election (in alphabetical order):

Ja
Carlington
Gopher of Pern
Lawrencelot

Nein
moody7277

No vote (assuming Nein)
mpolo

Gopher Of Pern is hereby elected Chancellor.

It is now effectively night. No posting until Carlington and Gopher of Pern have enacted a policy.

[RoadieRich]

The parliament has returned from closed session, and has elected to enact a Liberal Policy.

The Presidency is passed to mpolo. Carlington and Gopher of Pern are ineligible for nomination as Chancellor. There is one liberal and no fascist policies enacted.

It is now day 2.

[Carlington]

Aw yo, I thought the policies had like, in-game effects and were all unique. I misunderstood, this is way more straightforward than I thought it would be going in.

I feel like it's a pro-liberal move for the President to claim what policies were on the table to begin with and the Chancellor to claim which ones were passed along. What does everyone think about that? I'm happy to get as much information out to everyone as we like. In particular, I think it's a good idea to keep track of how many of each type of policy have been discarded, so we know how many should be left. As we get toward the end of the policy deck, this limits the fascists options in terms of false-claiming which policies they drew and discarded, since we know some situations cannot be possible based on the number of policies thus far enacted or discarded. Thoughts? (I also think that Chancellor should claim, then President.)

[Lawrencelot]

Agreed to claim the policies, and that the Chancellor claims first.

I still nominate myself as chancellor. I'm happy with either Carlington or GoP as chancellor after that (right now they are ineligible) since they brought us a liberal policy.

[Gopher of Pern]

I received one liberal and one fascist policy.

[Carlington]

I discarded one fascist policy and sent one liberal and one fascist policy to GoP

[Gopher of Pern]

So, mpolo, you going to nominate anyone?

I'm also wondering why Lawrencealot wanted me to be chancellor. Really, it is better for people to vote no early, to get some reads on people. I mean, It was a good thing, as we ended up with a liberal policy, but still.

Thinking about strategy, it might be best, for when people are unknown, for the president to give the chancellor one fascist and one liberal policy, if possible. If the chancellor has a choice, it gives information. Give them no choice, and no information. In this case, Carlington has essentially confirmed what I did, although we have no way of knowing if they actually discarded a fascist policy. \

What do you guys think?

[RoadieRich]

If no nomination for chancellor is made within 48 hours of this post, I will declare it a Stalled Parliament. This will cause the same effects as a Nein vote.

[Lawrencelot]

I'm also wondering why Lawrencealot wanted me to be chancellor.

That was just the vibe I got from you.

Voting no sounds good as well, but we have to be careful not to vote no three times, as then a random policy will be enacted.

[RoadieRich]

Unable to a provide a timely nomination for chancellor, the public have expressed their disgust, and removed mpolo as President.

The Presidency is passed to Lawrencelot. Carlington and Gopher of Pern are ineligible for nomination as Chancellor. There is one liberal and no fascist policies enacted.

It is still day 2.

[Lawrencelot]

Nominate moody as Chancellor
since he was the last one to post besides the mod, me, GoP and Carlington.

[RoadieRich]

moody7277 has been nominated as Chancellor.

Please submit your vote, Ja or Nein, by pm to me. Any votes not received by 48 hours from this post will be assumed to be Nein.

Votes will be revealed simultaneously, but will not be anonymous.

[RoadieRich]

mpolo has been prodded.

[Carlington]

So, I want to take a minute to say I think we should vote yes to as many people as possible early on. We still have a lot of leeway regarding the number of policies we can afford to see enacted, and if a fascist policy is enacted then we can agree not to re-elect that player unless and until we're satisfied there was some good reason they would enact that policy as a Liberal.