Regarding Sabrar’s flip: On first read I interpreted the supporter thing to be a sort of recruiting power, but after rereading it seems like Sabrar could ‘recruit’ other demons?
dimochka wrote:- As a confidant of Diablo, you've garnered some respect among the demon "community", and may be able to sway some of them to do your bidding. Should you use the night kill on an appropriate target / given the right circumstances, you may find a supporter. You are unsure, however, how Diablo will feel about your new "management" abilities.
I don’t really understand this.
The way this role usually works (and more experienced players, correct me if I’m wrong) is that the mafia recruiter (Sabrar) can only recruit one predetermined player, the mafia supporter (in this case a demon). The recruiter can't recruit anyone else and would kill them instead. This player may or may not know they are the mafia supporter/demon.
1. There is a mafia supporter who knew they were a mafia supporter, needed to be recruited, and now can't win the game. Unlikely, they would probably have left the game with a loss when Sabrar died.
2. There is a mafia supporter who knew they were a mafia supporter, was not recruited, and has an alternate win condition (town, survivor, etc).
3. There is a naïve mafia supporter that is town/indie but would have flipped to mafia if targeted by Sabrar (possibly Znirk, he was a demon, but jimbob found him first).
plytho wrote:Gopher of Pern had a D2 universal backup if I’m reading correctly, that means he became either doctor or cop. Can we learn anything useful from this?
Wild-ass-guess is that he would have taken the cop power and used it on Sabrar. I watched GoP N2 and he wasn’t roleblocked (unless ninja), and if he got a mafia result on Sabrar (or anyone else) he should have claimed, so I’m obviously not correct. Maybe he copped someone else and got a town result. I suck at breadcrumbs so if he left a clue I won’t find it. Anyone else want to take a shot at this?
adnapemit wrote:I targeted LaserGuy with a Vig kill since he seemed the most scummiest. I was starting to doubt if Carlington was actually scum since bessie seemed to be really pushing his lynch. Also on the slight chance that he was telling the truth about yesterday I thought it would be better to target LaserGuy.
adnapemit, you claim you have a not one-shot vig kill, withheld N1 and N2, and targeted LaserGuy N3. I can understand withholding your kill on N1, and maybe even N2. However, I’m not buying your reasons for targeting LaserGuy and not targeting Carlington N3. I reviewed your lists all three days.
On D3 you still had me as your towniest read and Carlington as scummier than LaserGuy. And you said this on D3:
adnapemit wrote:Opinion: There is definitly enough evidence that Carlington is scummy and I also think it is likely that he is a SK.
I’ve been hammering on Carlington hard since D1. Tunneling really. But I was still townie until N3 when you were thinking about your night action, and then for the first time you began to have enough doubt about my tunneling to switch your suspicion to LaserGuy, who you didn’t even read on D3? Ok, I have a question, if you were uncertain why did you even submit a kill N3? It’s obviously not compulsive because you didn’t have to submit one on N1 or N2.
Madge wrote:What surprises me is that Carlington's claim seems to make sense even though he's the scummiest person around here. That said he did claim last so that could explain it...
Madge, he claimed last on D2 (except for adnapemit), D3, and D4, and he had to be prodded all three days by me to claim. See my analysis of Carlington’s D1-D3 posts here
and the last half of D3 here
So great I’m feeling uneasy about Carlington and adnapemit BFD. I still think it’s likely there is one more scum out there and we need to keep looking. More later after I think about it a while.