Hey guys, sorry, I've been a busy bee. I finally got back on not too long ago to check out the thread, let it sink in for a bit while eating a home-made steak burrito (yum), and now I'm all ready.
I have definitely been playing a little safe as I am new to the general populace here; I don't want to step on the toes of lions in my newness, which was a mistake I made when I first came into DGames. However, since I have been asked, I will begin to jump into the nitty gritty of things with a fuller analysis and a direction to move forward in. Time to get our hands dirty, shall we?
My opinion on Dethstalker is that he is certainly new to mafia. While this normally doesn't have a huge bearing on things (new players are always good for the game), I would not be opposed to his lynch today considering what appears to be a harsh barrier of communication between him and the rest of the roster, as well as being a generally empty slot with a lack of fruitful content. So far, I can't really make heads or tails of his approach and what it means in terms of connections to the rest of the roster. Additionally, while it's not a generally great idea to lynch anyone on policy, he is potentially a time bomb if he is Town.
My opinion on Dethstalker can change if he begins to communicate more appropriately and start givings out reads on people he believes to be evil. Unless this happens, I'm afraid he may have to be the de facto lynch. Hopefully he answers questions addressed to him in a timely manner!
DGames | Bard wrote:Forgive me, as I am new here, and so I am still ascertaining the qualities of this stage; where art thy proof of Bessie's innocence?
Wine warning. Tis a jest at my expense, for they refer to my infamous townie meta. I’m always town. I’ve played not scum for well over a year. I’ve been playing mafia for about three and a half years, on this stage only, and I played for about fourteen months before I was mafia. Methinks I’ve been mafia four times ever, and two of them were as replacements. There was a similar joke reference to freezeblade’s scummy meta; I think he had a ten game streak.
I enjoyed this wine and wish to pair it with cheese, but I can't come up with a bad joke on the spot for the life of me. Or maybe I just did, oh dear. Either way, I thanketh thee for thy explanation on this matter.
Gopher of Pern wrote: The fun will be in voting mechanics. So I think it would be a good idea if anyone who knows their own abilities to change votes, should declare them early, so town can compensate for them. Scum may be able to manipulate them as well, but as the lynch is town's best (maybe only) way to kill scum, more open information about it would be better.
Methinks thou art role fishing. As pointed out by others, this would probably give more information to scum. But it does make me think we all need to be very careful with our votes, since we do not know what powers are in play. And as was implied by our all-powerful director, an accidental hammer is possible.
I agree with this. Most of the content Gopher has put out seems to be more fixated on roles and how they operate as opposed to having a greater focus on connections and reads, etc.
I don't want to say that most of his content is predominantly fluff, but it would require a second look. I'll develop this point more as I progress further down all these posts I need to get through.
DethStalker wrote:Thou, shall I say? Questions? Thy, hated, is one of all. Hated, hated I say!
I do not understand what you are attempting to communicate. Is hated an aspect of your role? If it is, it does not seem to me very townie.
Mmm, I'm not so sure how I feel about this sentiment. Perhaps I am misinterpreting the thought process here, but you imply that being hated =/= townie, but I have been in several games where a townie has been hated but had some kind of redeeming quality to make up for it. Is being 'hated' a generally scummy quality to have on xkcd?
#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:I'm V/LA til Tuesday aftednoon y'all. I might be able to get in earlier but no promises.
Dethstalker can still go. I also feel like there's a scum between GoP/Laser.
Can you elaborate further on your GoP/Laser reads? I know you're more of a man of action if it can be helped, so a few sentences should suffice.
DGames - I hope no offense is taken here, but I feel his content thus far feels very much like newbie town. Given that he is indeed an experienced fellow of Sir YOLO, my read must be misplaced. For the moment, I mark him as town, but would be very interested to hear some more detailed reads. I hope that not all fellows from your where are as laconic as Sir YOLO and his compatriots have been at times.
My King! I would not dare quarrel with thee, but I will say that I am familiar with the workings of Mafia. I am no master; certainly a student of the game, but my blade is sharp enough to make a bodkin turn its tail.
SDK wrote:Bard - Who do you think is scum?
Hrmmm. I'm still trying to get a feel for all the players here; it's exciting to land myself in an entirely new group of people whom I am unfamiliar with, but it also makes me feel somewhat uncertain as to which way they lean with any sense of certainty.
For example, your claim regarding bessie is a bold one. It was unnecessary albeit a topic of contention for early discussion, which was beneficial to the Town. Doubling down on the information and maintaining your claim makes me question the initial intent. You are not being transparent in this regard, and thus I have difficulty trusting the hand that holds the sword. Do I find it explicitly scummy? I would have a better idea if we were better acquainted, perhaps.
For the time being, I am holding my breath in anticipation as the Act unfolds in your regard until I have a firmer grasp of your direction. Neutral, not necessarily scummy, perhaps anti-town.
Looking down the list, the players that stick out to me are Gopher, Dethstalker, and the inactives. I concede I may have to reread Gopher
#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:I'll be able to take a better look tomorrow but quick hits off my phone:
DethStalker can go. He has been given several opportunities to contribute now. I feel kind of bad lynching a new player, but his refusal to contribute thus far....I don't understand it. If I was newbie town and given straightforward questions, I would try. I'm thinking it's possible that he is stalling and not giving out information to protect himself.
Laserguy and GoP both spent a loooooot of time/post content discussing the setup early. I remember seeing a lot of their post volume having to do with it. I usually see at least one scum do this on crazy setups and my impression was that they were the ones who spent the most time on it. I admit though, I DO have pause towards GoP in this case and am currently leaning towards Laser. GoP I know hosted the Crossfire game; this shows me he has a mind for setups. His focus on it here may just be a GoPtell, I'm wondering if anyone who has played with him more has any thoughts as to whether he's the type to hone in on setup information.
I agree regarding Dethstalker, I do not agree regarding Laserguy; he is my King, after all. I see Gopher the way you see him, however I'm leaning more towards scum and don't necessarily buy the excuse you gave him for set up speculation. I think Laserguy has contributed a lot more with fuller reads.
#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:Also, I wanted to tell you guys to hold Bard accountable. Just some info from someone's familiar with him: He's a competent player and should have enough to push a slot or two by now. I just want those who are unfamiliar with him to know that he is capable and you should not hesitate to play hardball with him or let him play dumb.
What's going on? Deadline's in 2 days, I imagine you have something by now.
Hrmm, not sure I appreciate the slight instilling of FUD, my good sir! I DID
say I was busy on weekends, didn't I? Why do I feel you are perhaps keeping me at an arm's distance? It has been a while since we last played together, so I can't say with certainty what happened in our last roundabout that may be playing a part in it.
Anyway, I'm currently leaning towards GoP and Dethstalker as lynch candidates for this day phase. Regarding Gopher:
Outside of mechanics speculation, phishing, etc., there are tidbits of his posts that appear too fluffy
to me and seem to lack strong Town intent. He begins to develop his posts more as the thread progresses in response to pushes that he is too focused on set up speculation, but some tidbits seem off to me. Here's a portion of one of his posts as an example:
Gopher of Pern wrote:Interesting what you say about Bard. You could be telling the truth, and they are scum hiding behind their newness to these forums, or you could be scum, trying to get a townie lynched due to your knowledge of them as a player.
I do not see what Gopher is attempting to ascertain from Yoloswag with this line of dialogue. He presents two goblets filled with a delicious pinot noir, but I'm not sure what he is trying to achieve. Perhaps I am misreading him, but I sense a lack of interest in scum hunting and perhaps more of an interest in appearing preoccupied.
I also think it's a stretch for him to say Dethstalker is noob town, although I'm also of the opinion that it is a stretch to say that Dethstalker is noob scum at this juncture on the premise that everything he has said so far seems to indicate that he is someone who isn't really sure how to play the game.
I can't be too certain though regarding Gopher since I am not familiar with his slot, but that's the way I'm leaning for the time being.Vote: Gopher of Pern