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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby mpolo » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:33 pm UTC

With BoomFrog, I tend to read him as scummy no matter what. And I am reading him as scummy. However, he has made some good points in recent memory and is my main supporter, so I am tending to think I have read him wrong. But that means that I have no idea where scum is hiding, and that is scary to me.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby plytho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:41 pm UTC

#HBC | Red Ryu wrote:Because Madge is blatantly scummy and has defenders for no good reason.
You've said so multiple times. Your stance on Madge is clear. You were also town reading FrozenFlame and scum reading BoomFrog. By voting BoomFrog you could have lynched a scum read and saved a town read.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby plytho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:46 pm UTC

mpolo wrote: But that means that I have no idea where scum is hiding, and that is scary to me.
Welcome to the club.

Do you have a plan to get out of this uncertainty? Is there anything or anyone you intend to check?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby #HBC | Red Ryu » Tue Oct 17, 2017 12:53 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
#HBC | Red Ryu wrote:Because Madge is blatantly scummy and has defenders for no good reason.
You've said so multiple times. Your stance on Madge is clear. You were also town reading FrozenFlame and scum reading BoomFrog. By voting BoomFrog you could have lynched a scum read and saved a town read.


He was at L-2/L-1 before the jump

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby plytho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:05 pm UTC

Frozen? So? You've seen how the lynch can swing last minute D2 and D3. Boom was viable and Madge wasn't.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby plytho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:14 pm UTC

I made an edit to the night plan reflecting EGW's stance on BoomFrog if Frozen is scum

If mpolo switches EGW and Boom when they're both town scum can safely target BoomFrog to hit one of Boom and EGW.

Evil George Washington wrote:Night Plan Redux:

1. Red Ryu protects one of [Sabrar / Bessie] (Considering that Red Ryu may be scum, but if town, follow this)

2. MPOLO flips a coin. On heads: MPOLO switches [{EGW and Laser} or {EGW and BoomfrogRed Ryu}] upon Frozen Flame scum flip. [{Ryu and Madge} or {Ryu and Laser}] upon town flip. On tails: MPOLO does nothing.

3. Plytho, Target Bessie.

4. Boomfrog, does nothing.

5. Bessie, do nothing.

6. Sabrar, do nothing.

7. Madge, do nothing. You can't do anything because you are jailed anyway.

8. EGW uses telepathy on one of MPOLO's possible targets depending on Frozen Flame flip.


Please follow this plan. I hope EGW will show up to confirm this before Night hits.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:20 pm UTC

Sounds good to me.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Sabrar » Tue Oct 17, 2017 2:44 pm UTC

Posting what I have before the night. This is assuming FF is Town, if not that's even better:
Spoiler:
Notes regarding CFD on FrozenFlame D3:

EGW expresses interest in FF-lynch.
Convinces Zen.
EGW votes FF.
Zen follows.
EGW wants it really bad.
bessie is curious.
EGW explains.
EGW is adamant.
bessie goes along.
Ryu resists.
bessie resists.
I vote FF.
bessie votes FF.
LaserGuy votes FF (only one not really providing an explanation)
EGW is extremely sure that FF is scum.
Massive exodus 10 minutes before deadline.
BF comes in late.

Suppose EGW is scum:
He CFD's from 1 townie to another. Does he want it to succeed?
a) Suppose yes. Why? He will be suspected because of switching the lynch from probably scum to actual town. He must want FF dead because he is more dangerous to him than jimbob who looks like an easy mislynch for D4 (potentially justified as FF had doubts about him). He really wants this lynch and would push anyone in scum-chat hard. Saw BF 13 minutes before deadline (no reason to lie there). Very unlikely that scum!BF misses all those pings when he knows when the deadline is. -> Ryu and BF can't be both his buddies, otherwise lynch goes through.
b) Suppose no (as in doesn't really want FF dead but wants to appear doing it). Bit risky. Knows jimbob+mpolo+plytho won't be online. Can count out Yolinda as well. However even if he knows Ryu+BF won't join the wagon he can't be sure about Madge showing up suddenly or FF self-hammering because he understands the mechanics. Only way I see this if both Ryu+BF are his buddies and he took the risk.
c) Suppose he simply doesn't care about the outcome. That I find hard to believe. He normally drives the lynch, probably has detailed plans for every eventuality. He must have had a result in mind.

Analyzing D4 in the context whether b) makes sense:
He proclaims early that it's between Ryu and BF. Interaction with them seems natural, switches to BF from Ryu early. Starts the wagon on BF, has lots of reasons why he is scum. Has FF as null, BF+LG as scum.
Big change of heart. Thinks BF would have been better as scum and FF lurking is indicative of wanting to survive. Uses Madge's vote to start alternate wagon, pushes it hard. Never seems to consider switching back, gets FF lynched, goes after Madge/mpolo D5 for the win.

This all would seem like a reasonable narrative, except for the fact that he had no way of knowing that his switch to FF would be successful. If not it would have looked very bad for him. Therefore I think b) can't be valid. If EGW is scum then at least one of {Ryu, BF} must be town.

Actually, re-reading earlier content makes this even simpler. EGW and BF are unlikely to be scum-buddies as EGW pushed BF multiple times when he couldn't have known if others wouldn't pick up the wagon and run with it.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby #HBC | Red Ryu » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:33 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Frozen? So? You've seen how the lynch can swing last minute D2 and D3. Boom was viable and Madge wasn't.


Madge could have been lynch if others would actually read Madge’s content or lack there of.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby #HBC | Red Ryu » Tue Oct 17, 2017 5:39 pm UTC

Otherwise yeah I get your point, voting Boom would have been better had I not seen switching off frozen was not going to happen.

I preferred Madge and Frog over and over.

Boom would have been better at that juncture on viable but I think Madge needed to go before a potential mylo which we gotta deal with now.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Sabrar » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:27 pm UTC

BoomFrog wrote:@LaserGuy: I agree Sabrar doesn't like to bus early,
Where did you get this read from? I've played no game with you where I was scum, nor had you modded one.

BoomFrog wrote:You should be doubting yourself more, but your townie reads stayed town and your scummy reads stayed scummy.
As you didn't provide any links I went back and checked. LaserGuy and jimbob moved from town to scum (and you even commented on jimbob) and plytho moved in the opposite direction. What was your line-of-thought when you made that comment?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:54 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:@LaserGuy: I agree Sabrar doesn't like to bus early,


Where did you get this read from? I've played no game with you where I was scum, nor had you modded one.


We were scum together in Diablo, and you were scum in bin Chicken while I was town. I don't know what to make of the fact that you don't remember this.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby plytho » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:11 pm UTC

Isn't Sabrar asking BoomFrog?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:11 pm UTC

Oh, nevermind, I thought you were quoting me.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:26 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:@LaserGuy: I agree Sabrar doesn't like to bus early,
Where did you get this read from? I've played no game with you where I was scum, nor had you modded one.[/spoiler] It's a meta read of your personality. You are almost the polar opposite of YOLO in almost every way. I dare say that if the two of you meet in real life it might be dangerous to touch.

BoomFrog wrote:You should be doubting yourself more, but your townie reads stayed town and your scummy reads stayed scummy.
As you didn't provide any links I went back and checked. LaserGuy and jimbob moved from town to scum (and you even commented on jimbob) and plytho moved in the opposite direction. What was your line-of-thought when you made that comment?

I mean change your reads from D3 to D4 when you were wrong on JimBob. Zen's flip should have shattered all theories you had on the game state. You're the one who asked me to look at buddies D1 in X-Men, so don't tell me buddy analysis isn't part of your SOP.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:37 pm UTC

Night Plan Redux:

1. Red Ryu protects one of [Sabrar / Bessie] (Considering that Red Ryu may be scum, but if town, follow this)

2. MPOLO flips a coin. On heads: MPOLO switches [{EGW and Laser} or {EGW and Red Ryu}] upon Frozen Flame scum flip. [{Ryu and Madge} or {Ryu and Laser}] upon town flip. On tails: MPOLO does nothing.

3. Plytho, Target Boomfrog.

4. Boomfrog, does nothing.

5. Bessie, do nothing.

6. Sabrar, do nothing.

7. Madge, do nothing. You can't do anything because you are jailed anyway.

8. EGW uses telepathy on one of MPOLO's possible targets depending on Frozen Flame flip.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:37 pm UTC

I changed it. Plytho now targets Boomfrog.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:53 pm UTC

Fixed quoting:

Sabrar wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:@LaserGuy: I agree Sabrar doesn't like to bus early,
Where did you get this read from? I've played no game with you where I was scum, nor had you modded one.
It's a meta read of your personality. You are almost the polar opposite of YOLO in almost every way. I dare say that if the two of you meet in real life it might be dangerous to touch.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:54 pm UTC

Funnily enough Yolo and I have chilled on multiple times. We are both Dominican.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:55 pm UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:I changed it. Plytho now targets Boomfrog.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:56 pm UTC

You don't want to join Plytho chat?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby BoomFrog » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:21 am UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:Funnily enough Yolo and I have chilled on multiple times. We are both Dominican.

Oh, I'm sure he's a great dude to hang out with, my comment isn't an insult to YOLO or Sabrar. But they are very different people.

Yes, I want into the chat, but it's a little hilarious that you are forcing plytho to let me into it.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:27 am UTC

Bessie doesn't want in the chat, better to have someone who wants to be in chat.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby Evil George Washington » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:33 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Oh, I'm sure he's a great dude to hang out with, my comment isn't an insult to YOLO or Sabrar. But they are very different people.


No I know, I was replying since people basically say I'm like Sabrar playstyle wise.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D4 | 10/16

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:43 am UTC

Flip imminent, no more posting.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | N4 | 10/19

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:07 am UTC

Votals 4.4
Madge (1): #HBC | Red Ryu
plytho (2): BoomFrog, Frozenflame
Frozenflame (6): Madge, EGW, Sabrar, LaserGuy, plytho, Bessie
Not Voting (1): mpolo

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch! Deadline is Monday, October 16 at 11:59:59 PM EST!

Frozenflame, Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden), Town Deflector

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has been lynched!

N4 begins! Night ends Thursday, October 19th at 11:59:59 PM EST!

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Re: Crossover Mafia | N4 | 10/19

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:41 pm UTC

A note from Dr. Mario was found on Frozenflame's body!

Megaman has absorbed a power!


Mod Note: I was supposed to post these immediately on the flip but forgot.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | N4 | 10/19

Postby #HBC | YOLOSWAG » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:03 am UTC

Bessie, Joel (Last of Us), Mafia Decision Maker

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has been killed in the night!

D5 begins. With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch! Deadline is Thursday the 26th at 11:59:59 PM EST

Votals 5.1
Not Voting (9): mpolo, #HBC | Red Ryu, BoomFrog, Madge, EGW, Sabrar, LaserGuy, plytho, Bessie

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:35 am UTC

That was unexpected.

Umm... so, what happened with Peaceful Whale?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:36 am UTC

And, uh, someone has an interesting night result to claim, I think. Sabrar?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:36 am UTC

And, uh, someone has an interesting night result to claim, I think. Sabrar?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:15 am UTC

Very interesting :shock:

Not at all what I expected.

Implies two scum teams. Unless nobody followed EGW's plan.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:20 am UTC

We should think about claim order.

I had a proposal in chat but that was based on a regular flip.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:22 am UTC

/Jaw hits the floor

Nice job mpolo? Or two scum teams that share a kill somehow.

Huh...
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:28 am UTC

@EGW: Does Mason always mean town in OS games? I remember seeing terms like "unconfirmed masonry" when I read through the old games. I'd it possible PW was Masons with Bessie and a full cop, and his disadvantage was that he was Masons with scum?

I think this explains why PW was killed. Was PW killed N3? Alternating NK would make sense then.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:30 am UTC

I'd like red to claim first. Who did he protect and did he receive a message. After Red Sabrar should claim whether he received a note from Dr Mario. Then mpolo should claim who he switched. After that LaserGuy and EGW can claim whether they received/sent a message.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:31 am UTC

I'm an unconfirmed mason.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:32 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:And, uh, someone has an interesting night result to claim, I think. Sabrar?

Why would Mafia NK Sabrar when it is known he has deflect? Why would Sabrar deflect onto Bessie who was "confirmed" town?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:35 am UTC

Sabrar would deflect onto bessie because if he's not protected, bessie should be unless Red isn't a doctor?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:36 am UTC

plytho wrote:I'd like red to claim first. Who did he protect and did he receive a message. After Red Sabrar should claim whether he received a note from Dr Mario. Then mpolo should claim who he switched. After that LaserGuy and EGW can claim whether they received/sent a message.

mpolo should claim first. Red's action is confirmable by a second person. Claim should be mpolo, Red, Sabrar, LG, plytho, EGW
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