#HBC | Zyth wrote:You keep saying this, but you've yet to show how. Why do you presume to know what goes on inside my head?
you start from the idea that he's scum and explain how the narrative flows if that happens to be true.
The narrative thing is simply a way of going about the game. It's similar to the way the court system works in America. There's a prosecution and defense. It's not the job of the prosecutor to be objective. It's their job to present their narrative. It's the job of the defense to refute that narrative and present their own. This is how I work on a micro scale. If I have a suspicion for why someone is doing something, I present that narrative. That person can then defend against it and either prove me wrong or amplify my suspicion. If proven wrong, I move on. On the macro
scale, however, I'm certainly not of this tunnel mindset. I very much am analyzing and trying to be objective (though not always successfully
). I think this is shown by fact that my opinions and reads change and by how willing I am to drop a point or concede to a counterpoint. Take a look at my approach to plytho for example. He constantly does things that ping me and I push him on them, but most of the time he has come up with very reasonable explanations and I've conceded to them. My approach to bessie is similar. If you look at any one post in isolation, the micro scale, yes it will look as if I am not being objective. But if you look at them as a whole, you'll see that I am weighing the different perspectives and just trying to get a handle on things like anyone else. I feel like you just keep getting caught up in how I pursue my suspicious and not really looking at the overall shape of my play.
#HBC | Zyth wrote:Explain why a strong town read on gamma is scummy.
Really? It's not self-evident? Ok, let's break it down.
- Consensus finds Gamma scummy and is right about it.
- Mafia knows that Gamma is not one of them so from their pov he is likely Town.
- Gamma is very likely going to get lynched.
- Therefore Mafia can earn townie-credit by uselessly defending him despite his scummy content and going after the wagon-pushers after Gamma's flip.
But why is failure to be a part of consensus scummy? I would think this is just due to the nature of Boom's thought patterns. In DT he was also outside of consensus.
It seems to me that you're not considering the other possibility: He was just wrong and was too far behind to really adjust his read.
#HBC | Zyth wrote:Explain why defending zen is scummy.
Because you're scum.
This doesn't really answer the question though. It just moves it one step further. Why is defending scum scummy? I guess the obvious answer would be that it means we could be scum buddies? But why are you not considering that Boom is simply wrong? You said I was one of the most divisive players wrt reads. Do you think everyone with a town read on me is scummy? Or do you think there could be some other reason as to why they are reading me the way they are? Also, why do you not consider that you are simply wrong? It seems to me like you're jumping the gun here. Since I haven't flipped, I should be an unknown variable to you. But your point against Boom here is based on it. This isn't something that should be in an objective analysis.
#HBC | Zyth wrote:Explain what was unreasonable about voting gamma.
BoomFrog had a strong town read on Gamma. Then he does a 180 and votes him because of a single point, namely Gamma not wanting to be the hammerer on Judgement which I can totally relate to.
You can relate to not willing to be the hammerer? If you were being scum read by most of the cast and it was very likely that you were going to remain a focal point, you would not have agreed to be the hammerer? It seems to me like most of us would in that case. I could be wrong though. I don't want to speak for everyone else. But Laser, Spak, Madge, and mpolo all offered to be the hammerer if it would benefit town. The lynch was between Spak and Gamma at that point. Spak was voting judgement and Gamma would not, so it was only logical for Boom to vote Gamma. Do you think that Boom should have stayed on Spak in this scenario?
@Zen: very much don't appreciate your style.
I'm sorry to hear that. I have the exact opposite thought of you. I was pretty excited about playing with you from pretty early on (and still am :3). I'm not going to change my approach to the game, but I really am trying to incorporate methods/style that appeal to you with my recent posts (such as this one and my DT analysis) and I will continue to try to going forward.