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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Sabrar » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:46 pm UTC

EBWOP: previous question is obviously addressed to EGW.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:46 pm UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:Why didn't you say so when I asked in chat?


Why did you ask so late?
I said repeatedly that I preferred bessie to BoomFrog with no response from either of you. I explicitly asked if you and LaserGuy were fine with me targeting bessie 16 hours before deadline and didn't get a response from you saying you didn't agree and I could still change 2 hours before deadlin (when I'm asleep). LaserGuy never even responded at all.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:46 pm UTC

I don't think it's likely you are scum, no.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:47 pm UTC

That is to Sabrar.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:48 pm UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:Because my power ignores immunities/roleblocks. Otherwise I wouldn't have targeted him. I've mentioned this before.


What is the role name for that power? Is that your secondary?
Why are you asking?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:52 pm UTC

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Sabrar wrote:@EGW: Ah, ok. What do you then think of plytho's push on BoomFrog later? Specifically starting here.


I only thought it interesting that he had a big push on Boom when he was arguing me down confidently on it D2. I didn't expect him to be the one to change course on Boom. It was hard to convince him to choose Boom in chat, and he was focusing on that one detail, and ignoring Boom's D4 play.
I don't feel you tried very hard to convince me. You claimed bessie wasn't interested in chat but BoomFrog was and you pointed out some townie things about him. Neither were sufficient to remove my suspicion of BoomFrog and consider him a better target than bessie who as I pointed out numerous times was very likely town and would very likely survive (and didn't object to being targeted by me).
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:56 pm UTC

Plytho on 10-17-2017 I told you to target Boom. I never changed this, and I never agreed with Bessie being a target, as taking her on while not being interested would not be a good use of your role. Laser and I have been spending our time trying to convince you on Boom, and you stated you wanted to wait before making a decision. You know I am a different time zone then you, so asking late actually does not insure that we get to you. I already directly stated what I wanted from you.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:56 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:Because my power ignores immunities/roleblocks. Otherwise I wouldn't have targeted him. I've mentioned this before.


What is the role name for that power? Is that your secondary?
Why are you asking?


I am curious. Answer please.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Sabrar » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:57 pm UTC

@plytho: do players in the chat have access to communication from previous days? Is it possible to use the chat privately or are all messages necessarily sent to all members?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:58 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
plytho wrote:Were you happy with me targeting bessie?

It's not what I would have done, but I didn't have any objections to you recruiting her in principle.


Why didn't you say so when I asked in chat?


You asked three hours before you left for the Night, and I was busy doing a reread of BoomFrog for you at the time. I don't recall giving it much thought one way or the other. EGW had already indicated to you twice earlier in the night that he preferred BoomFrog to bessie.

plytho wrote:Red because he was supposed to protect bessie,


Red was supposed to coinflip between Sabrar/bessie, which is what he claims he did. He's suspicious because he's the only person who ought to have known the result of that coinflip.

plytho wrote:EGW for not wanting me to target bessie


I'm not sure why this makes EGW suspicious.


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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:06 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:@plytho: do players in the chat have access to communication from previous days? Is it possible to use the chat privately or are all messages necessarily sent to all members?
Everyone sees all messages as soon as they join. There are no private chats.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:07 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
plytho wrote:EGW for not wanting me to target bessie


I'm not sure why this makes EGW suspicious.
If he's scum and knew bessie was going to be the target he'd want me to recruit someone else.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Sabrar » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:08 pm UTC

@plytho: Thanks.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:09 pm UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
plytho wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
plytho wrote:Were you happy with me targeting bessie?

It's not what I would have done, but I didn't have any objections to you recruiting her in principle.


Why didn't you say so when I asked in chat?


You asked three hours before you left for the Night, and I was busy doing a reread of BoomFrog for you at the time. I don't recall giving it much thought one way or the other. EGW had already indicated to you twice earlier in the night that he preferred BoomFrog to bessie.
That's when I asked again. I asked 10 hours before I left for the night. I repeated my question 3 hours before the night because I hadn't gotten an answer.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:15 pm UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:Because my power ignores immunities/roleblocks. Otherwise I wouldn't have targeted him. I've mentioned this before.


What is the role name for that power? Is that your secondary?
Why are you asking?


I am curious. Answer please.
It's not a secondary ability. It's part of my ability 'friend to foe'.
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Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:58 pm UTC

'foe to friend' actually :D
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:58 pm UTC

plytho wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:
plytho wrote:Because my power ignores immunities/roleblocks. Otherwise I wouldn't have targeted him. I've mentioned this before.


What is the role name for that power? Is that your secondary?
Why are you asking?


I am curious. Answer please.
It's not a secondary ability. It's part of my ability 'friend to foe'.


I'm guessing that's supposed to be "foe to friend"?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:12 pm UTC

plytho wrote: 'friend to foe'.

:shock:

What's your role name and character name again?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby plytho » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:17 pm UTC

Frisk from undertale, unconfirmed mason and it's foe to friend.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Madge » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:20 pm UTC

#HBC | Red Ryu wrote:
plytho wrote:
#HBC | Red Ryu wrote:I am a slot, you are a slot we are all a slot in the game.

I refer to slot to remain gender neutral.

Madge has explicitly asked to use female pronouns instead of slot, please do so.


Will do in future.


Oh, so when SOMEONE ELSE asks you you'll do it? Why wasn't me asking you good enough? :x *grumble grumble grumble*. Thank you though.

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And for the record, yeah, Bessie was really keen on lynching me. Don't know if she was trailblazing it but she definitely was pushing me hard.

Thanks Sabrar for making that action table. From memory (I read it just before bed), Ryu seemed mighty suspicious. It's Ryu vs BF right? (the note being received after all does change things though)
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:57 pm UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:I don't think it's likely you are scum, no.


What makes you feel differently?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:37 am UTC

Madge wrote:Thanks Sabrar for making that action table. From memory (I read it just before bed), Ryu seemed mighty suspicious. It's Ryu vs BF right? (the note being received after all does change things though)

My conflict with Red yesterday is unresolved. Either I was RBed N2 or one of us is lying.
Today there is suspicion between mpolo and Red because it is very odd that neither protective roll was killed, and scum didn't care Bessie was possibly protected by doctor.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:41 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:I don't think it's likely you are scum, no.


What makes you feel differently?


I think it's most likely Ryu. At the moment I have Sab as null, and will re-evaluate. I need to re-read.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:06 am UTC

Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Laser, who are your top 2 today?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:55 am UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Laser, who are your top 2 today?


I think EGW needs to be the play today. Would have to think about a second.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:58 am UTC

What's your reasoning?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:05 am UTC

Also, Laser, what do you think is the setup numbers?

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:07 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Laser, who are your top 2 today?


I think EGW needs to be the play today. Would have to think about a second.

My first thought was that you are joking. My second thought I'll keep to myself. I am also very curious what your reasoning is.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:11 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Laser, who are your top 2 today?


I think EGW needs to be the play today. Would have to think about a second.

My first thought was that you are joking. My second thought I'll keep to myself. I am also very curious what your reasoning is.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:14 am UTC

I don't understand.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:20 am UTC

Evil George Washington wrote:Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Going mostly by gut since I haven't had time to really rethink through all the ramifications of two teams and a possessed Bessie.

Laser has been much more reserved today then previously. It sounds like he has been keeping things close to his chest in plytho-chat as well. He's dropping in the ranks but I still don't think he's a contender for the lynch today.

Sabrar is still scum lean but less confident with recent events. Still second or third scummiest though by PoE.

Red and mpolo both are bothering me. No one else has had anything close to a normal role, everything has a serious twist in it. Just straight up boring bus-driver seems out of place. However, if he's mafia putting a target on his head D1 was a poor choice, so still leaning town here.

Doctor with notes is making less sense as well, if there are two teams the mafia finding out who the doctor is isn't very important as they don't have a kill. In light of the bastardy level I'm agreeing that note forger it's s likely role. My preference is to lynch Red today.

I eagerly await LaserGuy persuading me otherwise though.
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:21 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Evil George Washington wrote:Boom, read on laser? What is your top 2 today?

Laser, who are your top 2 today?


I think EGW needs to be the play today. Would have to think about a second.

My first thought was that you are joking. My second thought I'll keep to myself. I am also very curious what your reasoning is.


On mobile, sorry. Details will have to wait a few hours where I can quote properly.

Core is poor leadership. EGW has led four lynches now, three of them against townies. The last against scum, but likely unaligned. Pretty much every alternate wagon he's pushed that we have a flip on has been a townie. From the point of view of scum team two, they've played perfectly. Until today, it wasn't even clear there was a team two.This most likely means we have an active, organized, aggressive team that is leading town around by he nose. IMHO, that basically means either you, BoomFrog, or EGW must be scum.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:22 am UTC

LaserGuy wrote:you, BoomFrog, or EGW
You are addressing EGW, who is the third?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:27 am UTC

Thank you Laser, and thank you Boom. I shall now tell you who I believe to be the final two scum:

Right now, I'm thinking it's Ryu and Laser. Ryu due to his conflicting claim (Being a doctor yet not being shown as visiting me N2), and him letting Bessie die. He has been pretty un-engaged in the game, and DH lurked out. HA and Yolinda lurking now makes total sense. If HA and Moody were a 2-man scum team, Moody being pressured would make HA want to lurk out as much as possible. If we thought of it as a 5 man team, we would think it's because all the members are low impact. Yet I don't feel this is the case. Since Yolinda was a possessor, it would make sense that he'd need to die before having another member be recruited in his place. This is why it would make sense for PW to be with Bessie until that time. This is why DH lurked, because he was also on a 2 man team, with Ryu.

Now consider the Night Kill, and the Night plan. Only Ryu and Laser were switched. That would force scum to have to kill outside of the two being switched, and also allowing them to at the same time. (Since Ryu is the proclaimed doctor) Between the choices of Sabrar and Bessie, Bessie was the better choice from their second scum team point of view. Also note that both their powers seem very powerful as well. Red Ryu's seems over-powered and too good to be true. I was thinking Plytho may have been a strongman, but his actions this day phase do seem townie and over-ly confident.

Also note that in this day phase, LaserGuy's progression was going towards Plytho being scum while not questioning me at all. Sabrar had some questions to me early in the day, but not Laser.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby BoomFrog » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:32 am UTC

Has laser expressed an opinion of Red in chat?
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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:40 am UTC

He said that he felt the most probably explanation is Red Ryu Town Boom town. 10-17-2017

Plytho/Frozen were his picks 10-16-2017

10-20-2017 asks me if rr's note said protected or visited.

10-21-2017 states he may need to take another look at Boomfrog

that's most of the opinions I can find from a skim

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:41 am UTC

So, not much. He's never really doubted Red Ryu, or said much about him. Plus his read of him is one line stating "He's doctor." (paraphrased)

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:43 am UTC

He's had a scum lean on Ryu before he claimed but he wasn't high up on his list or his first push. I don't remember if he's ever made a push/vote on him. (He has pushed Plytho/Frozen on D2)

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby LaserGuy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:43 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:you, BoomFrog, or EGW
You are addressing EGW, who is the third?


I was addressing you.

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Re: Crossover Mafia | D5 | 10/26

Postby Evil George Washington » Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:55 am UTC

Laser, what is your read on Ryu? Talk to me about his role, and what you think of it.


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