I’ve been thinking about the setup and mechanics, a lot, and I don’t think there are any hidden auto targeting mechanics in this game, which I think would be reasonably bastard. This game was advertised as "very low" bastardry. Even without the autotargeting, I think that there might be a hidden mechanic with my and wam’s roles. It seems too odd that I would have his role name in my role flavor (and mine in his, he has revealed enough that I think he has my role name) unless there was a reason.
wam wrote: I wouldn't put it past the mods to have a scum mason I have seen it before, but it is unlikely.
I’m guessing that jimbob and Hari had some kind of confirmation that this was mason chat/confirmed town as opposed to neighbor chat/not confirmed (mafiascum link
). Hari, I don’t have any experience playing with you, but I think it unlikely you would have made an error (irrelevant now because jimbob is dead and mod confirmed). And I don’t think jimbob would have breadcrumbed unless he was certain of Hari.
Hari Seldon wrote:What is puzzling, however, is why the Framer would kill the very player they framed.
Maybe because it would be puzzling? Mafia had no way of knowing if/who jimbob would target.
Hari Seldon wrote:
Lastly, if Moody is a Mafia, it explains the LaserGuy kill. Moody believed that LaserGuy was an Indy (Link1
). However, LaserGuy was very Townie and was not likely to be lynched, so an Indy LaserGuy was a threat to Mafia.
I don't I agree with this. I think mafia killed LaserGuy because they thought he was town, it makes more sense for mafia to kill town and try to get the indie lynched. I believe moody was just testing the waters to see if he could throw some suspicion on LaserGuy, and see where the new person stood on indies. This is not quite accurate:
moody7277 wrote:Maven was one of the people from the Smashboards site who participated in the big game that just finished. Their policy toward independently aligned roles was more aggressive than the typical xkcd response, especially wrt Madge.
Indies are often lynched on this site. In somitimi’s first game he claimed survivor
and quickly learned his mistake
somitomi wrote:Okay, let's not waste time: I am the Survivor.
Oh, good then if we are wrong it won't matter too much.
I'll feel bad if you are telling the truth and lose but it is also very likely a lie from scum.
Helpful game advice because Somi is still new: Always claim town even if you are an indie. Unless you are in a position where we have to lynch mafia or can bargain with mafia. Always claim town. I learned this the hard way.
moody7277 wrote:The result on jimbob of course doesn't say anything about wam. What I was hoping for was two townies and a 95% surety on a third (although given we have a cop, tracker, and watcher, I maybe should revise that downward). Given wam's cred upon Maven's flip and how townie jimbob was looking, I guess one of them being dead start of D3 should have been obvious.
Maybe I could believe this in a large complex bastard game, but how long did you think this game was going to last? Ok, just kidding. I wouldn’t believe you would be trying for town cop results even if this game was expected to go until D6. And I don’t believe we have an unrestricted sane cop, watcher, and tracker (see my setup spec in my first post).
Hari, given you were masons and according to a different post jimbob was your top town read can you explain the post below at the end of d2?
Hari Seldon wrote:Vote: Maven
Bessie, I have also been getting pings from JimBob. I believe that he should be reevaluated, especially if Maven flips Mafia. I have a partial case built up, which I will post toMorrow if I'm alive.
wam, he already covered it here
Hari Seldon wrote: JimBob was my strongest town read. I was hoping that my last post would influence Scum to choose another target for their kill.
That post slightly influenced my decision to track jimbob instead of ConMan (I was flipping back and forth).
I reread the game and I believe Hari’s claim, independent of the bread crumbs (which can be faked). I believe his content is consistent with his claim. See this post
Hari Seldon wrote:Bessie, how were you able to predict Peaceful Whale's role? I asked you about Maven, because I believed that you were the most likely candidate for his partner at the time. Based on your response, I do not suspect that any longer.
It is possible that Bessie and Peaceful Whale have similar roles and perhaps have to kill each other in order to win the receptionist's heart.
See also this post
Hari Seldon wrote: Peaceful Whale, I hope that you can forgive me. Your death will not be in vain.
ConMan wrote: Fair enough, and as I've already noted the chance of my ability doing anything at this point is Buckley's, so sure.
ConMan, I had to look this up and just wasted way too much time reading about Australian slang terms.
Rereading again, but most likely will vote for moody.