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The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Reincarnation

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:32 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:32 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:34 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:41 pm UTC
by #HBC | YOLOSWAG
Wait, if this is based on Zen's ego, shouldn't it be a large game?

lololololol

Spoiler:
I am totally playing cuz I know Zen and he won't take offense. But I just HAD to

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:53 pm UTC
by wam
#HBC | YOLOSWAG wrote:Wait, if this game is based on Zen's ego, shouldn't it be a large game?

lololololol

Spoiler:
I am totally playing cuz I know Zen and he won't take offense. But I just HAD to


I think this one is full! see the signups at the top of the mafia page/ my signature! Sorry

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:23 pm UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:43 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - Pregame

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:20 pm UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:28 pm UTC
by wam
So I have a few questions for other players?

1) do we claim our parity numbers.

2) what powers do we think are out there.

3) setup speculation

My answers

1) no it gives scum useful information

2) will have a think and come back to this

3) 5 -2 is the only one that makes sense.

I think for the sake of clarity I need to claim: I have a posting restriction however giving any more information about it will help scum.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:20 pm UTC
by bessie
Ok I’ve played with everyone in this game before, so you all know that I don’t play at work (9-6ish PDT, I should be there now but I'm running late). Some quick responses to wam’s questions before I leave.
1) No, at least not yet.
2) Still thinking about it, and about the game mechanics.
3) Agree with 5-2.

I do not have a posting restriction.

Zenii wrote:YOLOSWAG was dizentegrated during during pregame.
:lol: :P
Zenii wrote:Evil George Washington was dizentegrated during pregame.
:shock: :cry:

Back in 10ish hours.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 5:55 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
##wam

His questions all feel kind of rolefishy to me.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:25 pm UTC
by wam
##laserguy

Trying to stifle D1 disscussion - scummy

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:41 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
1) no. And we should absolutely never claim or speculate someone's parity number

2) no clue

3) based on number of playets alone 5-2. But due to P7, could be an indy. Or maybe just 1 mafia (less likely).


Partial claiming, one of my roles (not claiming if positive or negative) is passive such that any time I am investigated, I appear as anti-zen. Really both my roles are on the weak end of the zen spectrum.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:45 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
wam wrote:##laserguy

Trying to stifle D1 disscussion - scummy


How do you feel that answering these questions is in any way beneficial to Town, especially when you have already seeded the answers that you expect to get back?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 6:57 pm UTC
by wam
Tbh I don't but I figured it was a reasonable way of starting disscussion.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:14 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
:?
If you don't think that answering the questions is beneficial to Town, in what sense is it a reasonable way to start discussion?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:22 pm UTC
by wam
Is starting with questions not a common thing anymore?

I phrased that badly, I think the answers to question 2&3 are things we would get anwya. 1 was the interesting one but after the answers so far scum (if they haven#t posted yet) would have to be stupid to answer differently. So its now not beneficial

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:58 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
wam wrote:Is starting with questions not a common thing anymore?


Not usually, no, especially in closed setups. But it's not so much that you were asking questions in general that I'm focusing on, but rather the specific questions that you chose to ask. There is a lot of interesting stuff in those setup posts that you could have asked about that may have both been helpful to Town and created discussion.

Why do you think 5-2 is more likely than 6-1?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:52 pm UTC
by somitomi
Zenii wrote:One day, Zen was typing up a 10-page, double-sided essay

This hit way too close to home.

wam wrote:1) do we claim our parity numbers.
2) what powers do we think are out there.
3) setup speculation

1) Nope
2) Setup says some players can change or influence the state of others, I'd guess anti-zen(s) might have one of those powers.
3) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
LaserGuy wrote:There is a lot of interesting stuff in those setup posts that you could have asked about that may have both been helpful to Town and created discussion.

Why didn't you ask any of those questions then?
heuristically_alone wrote:But due to P7, could be an indy.

I'm kind of puzzled by the state of P7, apparently they're aren't in a positive nor negative state.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:58 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
Or they are both positive and negative at the same time.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:04 pm UTC
by LaserGuy
somitomi wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:There is a lot of interesting stuff in those setup posts that you could have asked about that may have both been helpful to Town and created discussion.


Why didn't you ask any of those questions then?


I prefer to focus on generating reads early in the game.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:45 pm UTC
by Maven89
1. Absolutely not
2. Don't believe this should be answered
3. p7 might very well be an independent, there's only talk of negative/positive states, so I'm not sure how a balanced state (which is how I interpret the =) would play into that. Either means they count as both or that it's a unique state to them and would count against the mafia's win condition.

5-2 is the only one that makes real sense, however. 4-2-1 would hurt the town quite a bit and 5-1-1 would make the mafia's job almost impossible.

We can assume they're not on the same tier, as that'd make their win condition impossible. So, if a mafia is p2, than p1 is probably cleared. I don't think we can make assumptions about if they're both the same charge already, or if they're oppositely charged.

wam wrote:##laserguy

Trying to stifle D1 disscussion - scummy


This seems way too jumpy to me. I'd vote but with only 4 to lynch I don't want to add to it. Laserguy's response to Wam was normal, Wam voting back seemed forced and panicky.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:47 pm UTC
by Maven89
LaserGuy wrote:
Why do you think 5-2 is more likely than 6-1?


I missed this question before, but I want Wam to answer this

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:56 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
@mod Are we told the player's parity number when they die?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:15 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:19 am UTC
by Vicarin
Oh hey look all the action happens after I get to sleep again. And this game is neither open setup nor flavour that I know. Oh well.

Answers to wam's questions:

1. Almost certainly a bad idea early, don't want to give the scum too many ideas about precisely who to target. However, if we're 3-1 with 3 + and 1 -, then if the -ve gets lynched without anyone shifting beforehand, we lose. Even if that person we lynch is the last scum, according the mafia win condition in the first post! Makes claiming positions necessary later on.

2. Pff, who knows, all those example pregame roles are kind of crazy. Beyond the obviousness of there being state-switching abilities, h_a's claim makes a cop really likely. Beyond that, most things seem fair game.

3. 5-2 and 4-2-1 are the only ones that really make sense, anything with a faction of 1 mafia seems like it would be stupidly swingy based on the first lynch.

I don't think that the questions are too terribly rolefishy, or maybe I just have a distorted PoV (cough Stellaris cough).

Asked about P7, and they're apparently not - and not +. What they can do with that is a mystery.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:20 am UTC
by Vicarin
And I made a mistake, mafia win condition is in the second post, not first.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:29 am UTC
by Vicarin
Are abilities used during the day processed before or after the lynch?

Also, I object to being used as an example of a killing role in the action resolution order :D

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:30 am UTC
by heuristically_alone
I wonder of P7 had to be dead for mafia to win, assuming in this case P7 is not mafia. I agree with maven, that mafia partners can't be on the same tier as each other. But to win they must kill the 2 players on the same tier as them and one olplayer from the other tier. I wouldn't be surprised if mafia have some ability to switch between positive and negative.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:34 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:21 am UTC
by wam
Maven89 wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Why do you think 5-2 is more likely than 6-1?


I missed this question before, but I want Wam to answer this


Do I really have to explain why 6-1 , is unlikely?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:50 am UTC
by wam
##unvote

##sabrar


Just testing a theory

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:53 am UTC
by bessie
heuristically_alone wrote:1) no. And we should absolutely never claim or speculate someone's parity number
I find your absoluteness interesting, like, you are certain you are giving the correct answer. There may be a time, like on D3, when claiming is beneficial.

heuristically_alone wrote:2) no clue
Well you must have a clue of at least two powers, the one you claimed and the one you didn’t.

heuristically_alone wrote:Partial claiming, one of my roles (not claiming if positive or negative) is passive such that any time I am investigated, I appear as anti-zen. Really both my roles are on the weak end of the zen spectrum.
How do you know your powers are on the weak end of the spectrum if you have no clue of the other powers in the game?

wam wrote:Is starting with questions not a common thing anymore?

I phrased that badly, I think the answers to question 2&3 are things we would get anwya. 1 was the interesting one but after the answers so far scum (if they haven#t posted yet) would have to be stupid to answer differently. So its now not beneficial
Interesting, so #2 and #3 were conversation starters as you claimed, but #1 was the question you really wanted answered, hidden among the other two.

LaserGuy wrote:I prefer to focus on generating reads early in the game.
Yes, but someone needs to get the discussion started. We can't all sit around waiting for someone else to post first, or there’s no content to generate reads.

Ninja'd by wam. :? :!:

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:06 am UTC
by Vicarin
wam wrote:##unvote

##sabrar


Just testing a theory


Yeah, I'm gonna go with 'this is a complete waste of time' seeing as this game was advertised as none-minimal bastardry.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:31 am UTC
by wam
##unvote

I am going to pretend that it was part of an incredibly clever plan and not a really stupid mistake that proves I shouldn't post before breakfast.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:34 am UTC
by wam
Maven89 wrote:
LaserGuy wrote:
Why do you think 5-2 is more likely than 6-1?


I missed this question before, but I want Wam to answer this


Maven why are you asking this when you said 5-2 is the only one that makes sense?

Vicarin wrote:And I made a mistake, mafia win condition is in the second post, not first.


This is a wierd clarification to make. Comes across paranoid.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:47 am UTC
by heuristically_alone
bessie wrote:
heuristically_alone wrote:1) no. And we should absolutely never claim or speculate someone's parity number
I find your absoluteness interesting, like, you are certain you are giving the correct answer. There may be a time, like on D3, when claiming is beneficial.

My confidence in everything I say is what attracts all the ladies to me. Also I could not forsee or think of any circumstance that benefits town in knowing parity numbers, while it benefits mafia immensly to know, even more so D3.

bessie wrote:
heuristically_alone wrote:2) no clue
Well you must have a clue of at least two powers, the one you claimed and the one you didn’t.

Next time I'll be sure to say "no clue besides my own roles I obviously read before the game started and as such would have a clue of"

bessie wrote:
heuristically_alone wrote:Partial claiming, one of my roles (not claiming if positive or negative) is passive such that any time I am investigated, I appear as anti-zen. Really both my roles are on the weak end of the zen spectrum.
How do you know your powers are on the weak end of the spectrum if you have no clue of the other powers in the game?

Would you disagree with my power being on the weaker end?

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:05 am UTC
by Vicarin
@h_a: do you think that it's worthwhile to claim parity positions in the situation I outlined in my first post?

@wam: I'm pretty sure Maven wants your reasoning for that statement.

I'd like some more stuff out of somitomi as his answers to wam's questions were a whole lot of nothing.

Pretty keen to lynch any lurkers in this seeing as there's no modprods or inactivity replacements and we'll probably only get 1 lynch before LYLO so we need lots of info immediately.

To that end,

##somitomi

As an incentive.

Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:09 am UTC
by Zenii
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Re: The Seven Deadly Zens Mafia - D1 Begins!

Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:09 am UTC
by wam
@vicarin

Two reasons 1) a solitary person with a kill is not mafia they are a sk. 2) a game that can end day 1 is not a sensible game.