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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri May 04, 2018 11:49 am UTC

Actually, we haven't. What is the Illaman win condition? If they are jester(s), then they could co-exist with humans and humans still win.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 11:52 am UTC

Mercora can't win while Illaman is alive. If Illaman is Jester that's too easy.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby wam » Fri May 04, 2018 11:56 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:Mercora can't win while Illaman is alive. If Illaman is Jester that's too easy.


So how are you meant to remove illaman without a nk?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby wam » Fri May 04, 2018 12:00 pm UTC

As I'm off soon and huery will be up. I don't trust any faction with sabrar and sdk in it. Especially if They are lying and have day chat.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 12:12 pm UTC

wam wrote:So how are you meant to remove illaman without a nk?
I have no idea. We didn't even know they existed.

wam wrote:I don't trust any faction with sabrar and sdk in it. Especially if They are lying and have day chat.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby mpolo » Fri May 04, 2018 12:21 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
wam wrote:So how are you meant to remove illaman without a nk?
I have no idea. We didn't even know they existed.


Umm, the lynch?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri May 04, 2018 12:27 pm UTC

mpolo wrote:
Sabrar wrote:
wam wrote:So how are you meant to remove illaman without a nk?
I have no idea. We didn't even know they existed.


Umm, the lynch?
The discussion was over how do Mercora eliminate jester!Illaman. They could be lynched, but that would make the Illaman task too easy. Would trying to get the third presumed-mafia-like faction to kill them be fair? I don't know.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Vicarin » Fri May 04, 2018 12:28 pm UTC

Anyone who self-hammers or tries to do so basically deserves to have everything they say disregarded.

And no, there can't be a Jester (well, at least one that ends the game immediately with everyone else losing) because otherwise the Town win condition makes literally no sense. wam's just doing silly stuff to mess with people. I'm pretty sure an entire faction of Jesters is incredibly outlandish and wouldn't make sense with the wincon either.

mpolo wrote:
Sabrar wrote:
wam wrote:So how are you meant to remove illaman without a nk?
I have no idea. We didn't even know they existed.


Umm, the lynch?


As I pointed out, this is rather weird, as it requires Town's cooperation, but as far as I know, there's nothing distinguishing Illaman and Mercora, so how to choose who to lynch? In addition, I'm not at all interested in using the lynch on either of those as long as Garatron is alive, so Illaman and Mercora get to sit around while we play a 5-2?

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Vicarin » Fri May 04, 2018 12:34 pm UTC

@Sabrar+SDK: I know you don't have much of a direct stake in helping town, but who would be your top pick for a Garatron (apart from wam) right now?

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 12:37 pm UTC

Out of the active players jimbob or Maven.
I can't evaluate Liri, freezeblade and Mark.
Don't think it's anyone else.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby plytho » Fri May 04, 2018 12:38 pm UTC

@Sabrar,jimbob: Do you think mpolo's slip on SDK's post was a deliberate move from a non-mercora alien?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Liri » Fri May 04, 2018 12:44 pm UTC

The lack of Illaman claims makes me think it's a mafia faction, as well. Or, at least, a non Human-friendly one. Potentially with different wincons though?

Once I'm off my phone, I'll try to evaluate who is in what faction.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 12:47 pm UTC

I'm getting the feeling that mpolo is Town. I could be totally fooled.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby plytho » Fri May 04, 2018 12:48 pm UTC

mpolo, please answer my question.
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mpolo wrote:@bessie: No way to prove it, but I seriously saw two faction names in SDKs claim and assumed that they were the same two faction names I had. I did not imagine 3 alien factions as even a possibility in so small a game.
What is the major slip in SDK's post that you did notice, then?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby plytho » Fri May 04, 2018 12:51 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:I'm getting the feeling that mpolo is Town. I could be totally fooled.

You think mpolo, who noticed a major slip in SDK's post, but didn't notice the fact that it contained an alien race he hadn't heard about, is honest town?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 12:52 pm UTC

I don't want to answer that question before mpolo does but yes I can imagine such a scenario.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Vicarin » Fri May 04, 2018 12:54 pm UTC

Liri wrote:The lack of Illaman claims makes me think it's a mafia faction, as well. Or, at least, a non Human-friendly one. Potentially with different wincons though?

Once I'm off my phone, I'll try to evaluate who is in what faction.


This statement is so incredibly ridiculous. Town wins with Illaman just like it wins with Mercora, which means it's not a damn mafia faction, and has to be somewhat human-friendly. Are you trying to broadcast that you're not Human? If you are Illaman, just damn well say it already. Want to narrow down Garatron suspects if possible.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby jimbobmacdoodle » Fri May 04, 2018 1:00 pm UTC

Vicarin - reread your win condition: what in the it says that Illaman can win with town?
plytho wrote:@Sabrar,jimbob: Do you think mpolo's slip on SDK's post was a deliberate move from a non-mercora alien?
Not thought about it yet, will need to go back and have a look and think.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby plytho » Fri May 04, 2018 1:13 pm UTC

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:
plytho wrote:ShakespeareWheel of Time 2 was a cult game with no factional night kill. Two cults had to recruit players from town and attempt to become dominant. There was also a scum faction that could win by getting recruited and becoming dominant in the dominant cult.
FTFY.

Nice reads list, after a quick skim. There's one particular bit that illustrates that you and I largely think alike. I don't want to highlight it just yet though, for reasons which I'll explain soon, hopefully.
Care to explain it now?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 1:16 pm UTC

heury is awake, hurry up.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Vicarin » Fri May 04, 2018 1:18 pm UTC

jimbobmacdoodle wrote:Vicarin - reread your win condition: what in the it says that Illaman can win with town?


Ah, I'm using a piece of information from a question that I asked heuristically_alone about specifically before the game. In particular, I know that if both Mercora and Illaman die out, town CAN'T win (presumably, neither can Garatron, or maybe they're just that bloodthirsty or something). In addition, I'm definitely not going to go into the exact wording of the response (plz no modkill) but I'm almost certain that the win conditions are symmetric (i.e. if Town wins with Mercora alive, then Mercora wins too, and same with Illaman).

Hence, I've been working with the knowledge that both Mercora and Illaman can't be completely antagonistic in their win conditions towards town. Hence my comment to Liri: Illaman is not a mafia faction, or a non-Human friendly one, otherwise the above paragraph couldn't be true.

I strongly doubt this information can be used by scum to screw us over, so I'm ok with sharing it right now.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Sabrar » Fri May 04, 2018 1:21 pm UTC

Why would you receive any kind of clarification wrt another faction's wincon???

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby Vicarin » Fri May 04, 2018 1:23 pm UTC

It was incidental wording in the response I was given for the question I asked, but I don't think it's ambiguous. Any further description would probably be me quoting the PM too directly.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby heuristically_alone » Fri May 04, 2018 1:36 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Will we be informed if a faction has been eliminated?

No.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby heuristically_alone » Fri May 04, 2018 1:59 pm UTC

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plytho wrote:Will we be informed if a faction has been eliminated?

No.

Answer being reconsidered. If there is any player in any faction that does not want the game informed when a faction is eliminated, PM me during the night phase
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby heuristically_alone » Fri May 04, 2018 2:03 pm UTC

OFFICIAL VOTALS


Sabrar - 1 (Mark_Cangila)

wam - 7 (SDK, Bessie, Sabrar, LaserGuy, plytho, mpolo) This is correct

SDK - 1 (wam)

Not Voting: jimbobmacdoodle, Vicarin, Maven89, FreezeBlade, Liri

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby heuristically_alone » Sat May 05, 2018 12:40 am UTC

Night one deadline extended to end at 1:30 am utc on Monday May 7th
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day One)

Postby heuristically_alone » Mon May 07, 2018 2:39 pm UTC

Last night mpolo died

mpolo wrote:You are in the Human faction.

Role: You are a Friendly Neighbor. Each night you may target a player. That player will be notified that you are human.

Win Condition: You win when at least one Human is alive, and only one of either Illaman or Mercora has at least one living member. All others must be dead.


wam wrote:You are in the alien faction Garatron with [Name(s) Redacted]

Faction Ability: You have night chat, and each night one of you may make a night kill. Please include me in all conversations.

Role: You are a Exact Rolecop. Each night you may target a player to gain knowledge of their alignment and role.

Win Condition: You win when at least one Garatron is alive, and only one of either Mercora or Illaman has at least one living member. All others must be dead.


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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby plytho » Mon May 07, 2018 2:46 pm UTC

I'm surprised by mpolo's alignment and death. Not so much wam's.

Will we be informed if a faction has been eliminated?

I'd like results from the mercora cops and some opinions from Liri and Mark.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby heuristically_alone » Mon May 07, 2018 2:50 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Will we be informed if a faction has been eliminated?

Yes
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Sabrar » Mon May 07, 2018 2:53 pm UTC

As asked I checked mpolo. He did not appear to be Mercora.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby SDK » Mon May 07, 2018 2:54 pm UTC

So... now we get entire role PM's? heury, you should make sure you stick to your answers.

[grumble]I take this big risk only to get the human win condition the following morning...[/grumble]

Good to see that my scumdar still works okay! I suppose I shouldn't be too happy though, since I somehow need to kill Illaman instead of Garatron... Maybe if I help the humans enough they'll be inclined to give Mercora the win if it comes time to kingmake in the endgame.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Vicarin » Mon May 07, 2018 2:55 pm UTC

Well, no need to worry about accidentally leaking the town wincon anymore.

Also, have Garatron's PM now. Night chat only, and win condition is as expected. Good stuff.

Now, who wants to fess up to the shenanigans surrounding the vote total on wam? Or wants to claim being Illaman?

mpolo being the NK target is incredibly interesting given how much he looked like an alien near the end of D1. Have to think about why scum would want him dead.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Mon May 07, 2018 2:56 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:As asked I checked mpolo. He did not appear to be Mercora.

I don't know if Sabrar has been confirmed Mercora. If he hasn't, than this seems convenient, doesn't it. Free way to legitimize yourself, especially as Garatron.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Mon May 07, 2018 2:57 pm UTC

EBWOP Ninja'd. Ignore the earlier post.

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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby SDK » Mon May 07, 2018 2:57 pm UTC

Why did Garatron (presumably) choose to kill mpolo? Wasn't he under fire yesterday for screwing up the wincon?

Uh, right, like Vicarin said.



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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Mon May 07, 2018 2:58 pm UTC

Also, on the vote total, I just never remembered to unvote Sabrar.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby plytho » Mon May 07, 2018 2:59 pm UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote:Also, on the vote total, I just never remembered to unvote Sabrar.
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby SDK » Mon May 07, 2018 3:06 pm UTC

7-2-2-2 setup? It can't be 4-3-3-3 with Garatran having a night kill. Even 6-2-2-3 is unbalanced in favour of Garatron, I expect (9 player game with 3 mafia?)... Especially with heury saying this game could run with 12, a 6-2-2-2 game is still totally fine (effectively an 8 player game with four survivors, right?).

I think there is probably just one Garatron left.

... How the hell am I supposed to hunt Illaman!?
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Re: Alien Warfare Mafia (Day Two)

Postby Sabrar » Mon May 07, 2018 3:09 pm UTC

The last part is easy. Whoever wants us dead is Illaman. Rest can win with us.


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