Reading jimbob, particularly looking for references to moody, mpolo, BoomFrog.
mpolo - Not said much really. I find it slightly weird that he said that he was concerned with SDK putting wam on three votes, but also finding wam's response an overreaction. Otherwise, nothing really suspicious, or particularly townie in his posts either. Would like more content here, as I don't really have enough to go on yet. Not really enough here to decide yet.
mpolo - (insufficient data, due to low content): still very little content, apart from a couple of comments on freezeblade and Mark. His lack of reads, or even comments, on anybody else is disappointing, and he's at risk of being labelled a lurker, unless he provides those further reads. Insufficient data at risk of being labelled as scum for lurking.
What's interesting here is both of these reads are fairly generous. Contrast freezeblade:
freezeblade - minimal content. What he has posted has largely been, from what I can tell, not to be taken too seriously (e.g. labelling team Orange as scummy for containing scummy characters, getting indie vibes from a team of 3, when there's at most 1 indie etc). I'm uncertain whether he is being serious with his vote on me (I'm assuming not). I don't think it's necessarily suspicious that he needed it pointing out that he should vote for me, as I think looking at the rest of his content, he wasn't being serious with the comment about voting for people voting over somebody's confirmation post. What is suspect is that he has no useful content so far. Scummy for essentially active lurking.
freezeblade - (previously scummy due to active lurking): 23 posts since my original reads. This might be a hint of OMGUS, since it includes me, but I find his focus on one team specifically a little weird, possibly even forced. He notes me calling only "one other member townie, Sabrar". I'm unsure what he's talking about here, because I also called Madge and plytho some degrees of town in my reads list, in addition to moody and Sabrar. LaserGuy's town read of me felt simply like a throw-away RP comment, indicating where he currently stands on me. I'm not sure I'd classify it as weird banter, just Madge-like style. Still feeling suspicious, though not as badly as before, because at least he's committed to some very basic reads on a few people.
He comes down pretty hard on freezeblade, especially in this first read, for minimal content, but essentially gives a pass to mpolo--twice. It's possible that he came down a little harder on freezeblade because of the team orange business and was subconsciously uncomfortable with being linked to moody so early.
I'm noting in jimbob's analysis of the SDK vote situation (for Town SDK), he says:
Point 1: plytho, wam and mpolo all look bad in increasing order for pushing a town wagon, with mpolo looking worst due to essentially being the one to seal it.
However, he hedges this a few posts later
I don't really have any issues with mpolo currently. He might look bad if SDK turns up to be scum, but I'd have to go back and look at the timing of his vote on SDK the first time around to be sure. I'm happy with his Vicarin vote, since I found Vicarin scummy too. Leaning town.
By D3, mpolo is no longer a priority:
I'm not really surprised about either of those flips. Based on my D2 wagon analysis, the people I want to look at as a result of SDK's flip are mpolo, wam, moody, and Madge. Of these 4, wam and moody are probably my top priority.
jimbob generally doesn't interact with mpolo a whole lot until D3/D4, and not even too much beyond then. Generally, my feeling is that while jimbob was saying he was considering mpolo as a surface level comment, he didn't seem all that interested in actually pursuing it, either in terms of his vote or actively questioning mpolo.
I think there's a decent chance of buddies here.
This read feels a bit generous to be second towniest on his list, though looking at his list jimbob has surprisingly few Town reads early D1.
moody - Nothing particular stands out to me about moody's play. His reads list seems solid enough, although one or two of his conclusions are a little bit of a stretch, in my opinion (see my comments about his Sabrar read earlier, plus mpolo for discussing the setup??). His opinions on most players though seem to broadly match my own. Slightly townie.
jimbob pushes moody on the SDK-for-information lynch point, which is valid, IMHO.
Point 6: Moody's vote looks pretty bad as it seals in SDK as the second wagon at that point, when a third, potentially scum, wagon might still have been possible.
Contrast with his comment here:
. I don't like this post where it feels like he's deliberately leaving himself the option to switch to SDK, despite his town read, should he need to (and indeed, I think this is part of the basis for his later vote). That being said, I'm not sure there's much gain here for scum!moody assuming town!SDK, and almost none for scum!moody assuming scum!SDK, so I think I have to leave it as at worst a null tell, and possibly even a town tell.
The read is mostly fair, except it feels to me like he's hedging a bit in the second case for when SDK flips Town. This is similar to the mpolo read above, where jimbob seems to make a pretty strong statement about moody in his buddy analysis, then walks it back in a later post.
Noting that jimbob voted moody in D2 and D3 quite willingly. I'm willing to give him some credit in the former case in the event of a moody flip. In the latter case, it's interesting to note that he was checking
to see if I would consider moving my vote to Mark, and when I declined and went for moody, he followed immediately. It may be that scum was fishing for a Mark lynch D3, but had basically given up on moody and were going to bus him aggressively if things started to move that way at all (noting that mpolo declines to vote in this sequence).
Definitely could be something there, but harder to say for sure since if jimbob and moody are buddies, jimbob has been aggressively bussing since end of D2.
Nothing on threetwoone besides a complaint about his lack of content.
I feel like jimbob's opening tone was maybe a bit aggressive:
@BoomFrog - it seems to me that your current reads are making the assumption that SDK is scum. Am I wrong? If so, why do you have plytho, wam, and freezeblade as town, and Mark and LaserGuy as scum? Also, why is mpolo on your list of people to keep an eye on?
Do either of these conclusions actually have any real substance to them? I.e. are they in any way significant to the game?
Noting the mpolo reference here too. BoomFrog jumps to a solid Town read from here. In fact, if anything, future references from jimbob regarding BoomFrog are more likely associated with pushing other reads (e.g. he didn't like wam calling BoomFrog scum; didn't like my suspicions of the freezeblade wagon).
I could certainly read this as a buddy interaction, though I'm not sure that BoomFrog and jimbob would just hard townread each other in the way that they have. Also possible that jimbob was trying to buddy BoomFrog. Though I think it's somewhat low probability, a BoomFrog/jimbob/mpolo team is not impossible here, and is probably the worst case scenario, IMHO.