Updated stupid D1 reads. Writing walls takes up so much time, when there's nothing worth analysing.
freezeblade - (previously scummy due to active lurking):
3 posts since my original reads. This might be a hint of OMGUS, since it includes me, but I find his focus on one team specifically a little weird, possibly even forced. He notes me calling only "one other member townie, Sabrar". I'm unsure what he's talking about here, because I also called Madge and plytho some degrees of town in my reads list, in addition to moody and Sabrar. LaserGuy's town read of me felt simply like a throw-away RP comment, indicating where he currently stands on me. I'm not sure I'd classify it as weird banter, just Madge-like style. Still feeling suspicious, though not as badly as before, because at least he's committed to some very basic reads on a few people.
LaserGuy - (previously insufficient data - only two unexplained reads): Quite a few more posts since my last reads list. I still would like explanations in the reads, but I accept that this is real-LaserGuy creeping in, and I think if I were to note them all down, then he has at least got reads on most players. He's observed the same issue as me, with regards Madge's reads list having some weird placements. Slight town lean. Will expect more explanations from him D2 though, or he'll rapidly slide down the pile. Also, the voting is close, so I expect him to vote.
@mods - like LaserGuy, although D1 is a terrible idea and we should get through it quickly, I won't oppose an extension. But also happy to wait until Night for threetwoone to be replaced.
Madge - (previously probably town): I have no issues with Madge's side of the werewolf/SK discussion with Mark. I like the fact that she's not overly-focusing on that discussion, and is also addressing other comments and posts. Pending re-reading Mark (to follow next), her vote on Mark feels a little over the top. It's worth noting that Madge does not usually vote D1 unless there's somebody who seems clearly scummy to her. I don't know what scum!Madge would do (@Madge - when was the last time you were actually scum?). Her focus on LaserGuy, and his statement that the colour orange is stupid, is weird. It seemed obvious to me that he was meaning it as a joke comment. I don't agree with this conclusion necessarily:
Madge wrote:so his[Mark's] question either came from not reading the setup closely (probably reasonably likely for a newbie in confirm phase—the setup wasn’t prominently indicated prior to the game), or from being worried about the possibility of a rival scum team.
It is certainly possible for town!Mark to have asked this question in an attempt to start discussion. I still think she's town, but I'm less confident of this read than before.
Madge wrote:It’s like you’ve taken my advice of identifying someone scummy to try and bring the focus off you and you’re putting it 100% to work
When I did my original reads list, I actually had to double check that Mark's attack on you started before your comments about finding somebody else scummy to relieve pressure!
Mark - (previously slightly scummy, due to lack of reads, or indeed any content away from the Madge/werewolf/SK discussion): I think his jump to believing Madge is a wolf/SK based on Madge's content is a bit of a stretch. I also don't think he's right to assume that her forgetting to respond following the confirmation post is indicative of anything. Slightly scummy, and getting worse from before, but may review following his promised longer post.
Mark_Cangila wrote:Don't bus me yet. I was offline over the weekend and am writing a long post rn. Give me till tmrw.
I'm not basing my read on this, but it's worth noting that Mark posted both Saturday and Sunday, so this isn't exactly the truth. Also worth pointing out that deadline is not far away, so this longer post better appear by the time I get up tomorrow morning.
moody - (previously slightly townie due to solid, matching reads): His question to Madge re. Sabrar hiding potentially useful info feels a bit weird on reread (especially given that Sabrar didn't call it "powerful" in any way). I'm not bothered by the watcher/tracker mix up. It's a mistake that has been made on so many previous occasions (sometimes even by mods) that it's null. I assume he's talking about watching/tracking people to indicate his towniest/scummiest reads. The seemingly-random +7 on a town/scum scale for Vicarin is a bit out-of-the-blue, and I've found this sort of play suspicious in the past (see comments directed at Hari Seldon in past games). I'll try to update this thought once I read Vicarin to see if I agree or not (added later - hmm... sounds a bit dodgy given Vicarin's posts). His earlier reads still gives him decent town credit, but he's sliding slightly backwards due to these points.
mpolo - (insufficient data, due to low content): still very little content, apart from a couple of comments on freezeblade and Mark. His lack of reads, or even comments, on anybody else is disappointing, and he's at risk of being labelled a lurker, unless he provides those further reads. Insufficient data at risk of being labelled as scum for lurking.
plytho - (weak town lean, shutting down vendor discussion early): I already made
some comments about his reads list not feeling great. Looking at it again, I see he's labelled Vicarin as scummy as well for not being obv-town. I will consider this later, when I get to the Vicarin re-read (added later - yes, I tentatively agree here). I do like that he didn't bring up Mark's role PM question comment, until essentially he had to. I like that he went to a decent effort to analyse Madge versus Mark, including prodding Mark for reads away from Madge. However, I don't agree with his eventual conclusion of Madge more likely scum than Mark. I also like that he's started prodding several other players in various ways (SDK question to Mark, prod for votes etc). I can understand his vote on SDK for "making stuff up". I'd like a response from SDK on that before commenting on it further. Overall, although I disagree with some of plytho's conclusions, he does seem to be putting in decent effort, so I'm giving him a town read.
Sabrar - (slightly town, mostly gut feeling): He's continued to post reads that seem to come a little out of nowhere (plytho not mafia, but could be werewolf?? for example). He did at least give justifications for his earlier reads. I like his prod of Vicarin to explain his numbers question. I also like the pressure he's putting on SDK (I'm used to seeing SDK put that sort of pressure on others!). His vote on wam was a bit of a surprise, but that's the only thing I find that I don't particularly like in his recent content. Probably town.
@Sabrar - is there more to your belief that wam is scum than your "try-hard defence" comment? Would you explain it please? Also, is the tradition comment in any way important, because if so, I missed what it was about?
SDK - (insufficient data): On the surface, his question to Mark does seem suspicious, but I'm potentially willing to accept his explanation. His reads list indicates that he's not paid attention to everything that has been said (e.g. saying the LaserGuy has no reads, saying I pointed out Sabrar's fake list). I'm not sure which side this is more likely to come from. He jumps on the freezeblade wagon with basically no explanation, which I don't find to be cool. This comment seems almost contradictory:
SDK wrote:@Mark, please don't answer my question about your PM. Sabrar (and jimbob? NO! plytho, damnit!**) is right that it will do more harm than good. Answer my other questions though, please.
**I was so confused for a minute there! I thought one of my towniest reads (jimbob) was going down the gutter, but it turns out plytho might just be scum instead. Whew!
@SDK - are you saying plytho might be scum for advising Mark to NOT answer the question? Or are you referring to the later comments you make against plytho?
His vote on Sabrar I don't particularly like, since Sabrar is a strong town read for me currently. However, I'm willing to buy that he might just be misguided, as he seems to have some solid (at least in his eyes) reasons for it. I'm running low on time, so haven't looked at all of his posts in detail. Overall I don't have a good read on SDK currently. There are some good, townie points, but I'm not convinced Sabrar v SDK is town v town, which makes SDK likely scum. Independent of that, I'd probably label him as very slight town.
threetwoone - (insufficient data): His desire to wagon freezeblade seems a little weird. Nothing else that I can comment on. Slightly suspect, but really insufficient data.
Vicarin - (slight scummy lean - un-Vicarin style low content): Still much less content from Vicarin than I'm used to - 4 more posts in two days, of which one is about setup, another about Sabrar's "don't discuss this thing that you don't know" post, a reads list, and a rush-sounding vote on freezeblade. I do like his observation that Madge has a strong town read on him unexpectedly. I don't like that he still hasn't posted reads of four players yet, 24 hours or so after promising them and with little time left in the day. His reads list is pretty brief, but do mostly match mine except for the wam read. Still slight scummy lean, due to low content, and un-Vicarin-like posting frequency.
wam - (previously a bit scummy - lacking follow up, low content about most players, possible OMGUS): He refuses to get on freezeblade's wagon (typical D1 freezeblade), which is okay. He prods Mark about strategies relating to wolves, which is also okay. Votes SDK for an apparent slip to do with timing, which feels like a bit of a jump. His reads list isn't terrible, although I do disagree with his Sabrar read, and I disagree with him on plytho's reads list being good. Aside from the reads list, there is just very little from wam, compared to what he normally posts, which feels a bit off. Slightly scummy as a result.
SDK (ignoring Sabrar v SDK being probably town v scum)
Will review my vote in the morning, based on what Mark and freezeblade post whilst I'm asleep.