I’ve reread the thread, but I don’t feel as if I’m getting anywhere. I was reading Vicarin as scum since D1, and wam as his partner since D2, so a reread hasn’t added anything to my understanding of the game, its only confirmed what I already saw. Same with Sabrar, I had a soulread that he was non-town since D1, but bessie doesn’t do soulreads so it was in the back of my mind, and I had Vicarin to tunnel for the past three days anyway.
So what did I get from my reread? I’m trying not to rehash a lot of stuff I’ve said before, but I want to present enough so that everyone can follow my thought process.
Regarding Vicarin, his D1 content was so scummy. First of all, there was the BoomFrogGambit reaction, see my analysis here
. Second, Vicarin’s reason for scum reading me (that my gameplay in this game was similar to Stellaris, which would make me scum) was invalid, since he was never able to provide an example of how this differed from my town meta, despite multiple prods from me (lots on page 6, not linking them all). Third and most interesting was Vicarin’s attack on me for something that happened in Stellaris (I’m not even entirely sure exactly what his argument is anymore, but the crux is his argument that a certain game mechanic would never exist). His basis that this is a scum tell for me in the previous game was because I wasn’t able to pull a reference out of my ass and I didn’t take the time to go through old games to find this particular mechanic. I’m not sure what the logic was that made me scum in this game for it, must tie to #2 somehow. But anyway, I could see that he was trying to distract me into spending my entire last RL night on D1 working on a non productive task, so I called him on it (ok, I purposely baited him). And as I thought would happen, Vicarin was fine with me reading through 11 pages of old games instead of working on the current one. This is so anti-town I don’t even know where to start. Vicarin tried to start it up again on D2 see here
, but I shot it down immediately.
So, end of D1, I’m super suspicious of anyone ignoring Vicarin’s anti-town behavior in #3, and for buying his cop claim so easily. This would be heury, wam, BoomFrog, Sabrar, LaserGuy (other players were more detached from end of day). Especially BoomFrog, which is why I copped him. This lead me to the D2 fishbowl thing, which was just a way to force everyone to commit even if they weren't voting, with LaserGuy in my bowl, and BoomFrog and Madge ending up in my bowl in the most noncommittal way possible, and Sabrar still in the wrong place.
Vicarin/wam team analysis. I keep going back and forth on my setup, as to whether or not these two are on the same team. I believe that there were early indicators that they were on the same team, like Vicarin’s disinterest in sorting wam, see here
. But I think the main scumslip that they were partners was at the end of D2, see my post here
. I also mentioned this on D3 and no one was interested, which I find, interesting. Why has no one asked me about this? The only players I expected to see the same thing as me were Sabrar and LaserGuy. But Sabrar was totally uninterested, which makes sense with his claim. So FoS everyone else. One of you is ignoring me because you already knew, as wam did.
Also in my mind is that at the end of D2, Vicarin doesn’t make a self preservation vote and move from me to wam. Is he hoping someone else will move to me? (Sabrar, heury, BoomFrog)
Another post coming up. The forum ate my post twice already so I'll post in pieces.