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Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:55 am UTC
by Vicarin
bessie wrote:Hmmmm, lyncher?

You'll always assume that a lyncher exists, eh?

bessie wrote: If BoomFrog is pulling a gambit, what are you going to do, vote for him? :roll:

Hell yeah :D

bessie wrote:I’m interested in why you think Sabrar is joking and why you think BoomFrog is not.

Honestly, mainly because it was the opening post for a chaos game and he was straight up claiming the role he got last game. BoomFrog's demeanor is coming off a bit more serious to me, but I guess scum claims D1 are ridiculous by nature.

However, Sabrar doesn't feel like he's actually going to contribute much to scum hunting right now so I guess we could well have decoy Zebra in the game again.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:56 am UTC
by Vicarin
Sabrar wrote:Presence of a Town-faction should have been blindingly obvious to anyone ever since the op where wam published the win-con. Luckily I think that makes bessie more likely town.


Why does that make bessie more likely town?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:37 am UTC
by Sabrar
Town already know they exist. Scum just might have some doubts about it.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:57 am UTC
by Vicarin
Right, but how does that apply to what bessie said?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:02 am UTC
by Sabrar
bessie attacking me because she didn't realize the joke is more likely to come from town as I wouldn't expect scum!her to make a mistake like that so early.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:46 am UTC
by Sabrar
I AM THE HOLY ENFORCER!

Also, I'm bored.

Vote: Madge

Puppies.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:25 am UTC
by Madge
vote: bessie

clearly not on my side, SHE WILL GO INTO THE DEPTHS OF HELL

that said, I want Bessie, BoomFrog, Sabrar to survive as long as possible as I most trust their abilities to make sense of things, and this game will need a LOT of sense made of it, I can already tell.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:36 am UTC
by plytho
Sabrar wrote:I'm just anti-town and not full scum, that's precisely my problem.
You mean you're scum but not mafia? Why is it a problem?
Vicarin wrote:
bessie wrote: If BoomFrog is pulling a gambit, what are you going to do, vote for him? :roll:

Hell yeah :D
Don't you think gambits have value?
bessie wrote:
wam wrote:Ties will be decided by the mod’s other half who has never played online mafia.
:lol: Best tiebreaker rule ever, I think all ties should be decided like this.
I second that motion!
bessie wrote:If Sabrar is “just anti-town”, then there must be a town faction. This makes me think Sabrar is “full scum”.
Can you explain your reasoning? Do you think Sabrar is mafia instead of a different kind of scum? Why?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:11 pm UTC
by Sabrar
plytho wrote:You mean you're scum but not mafia? Why is it a problem?
Read through Wheel of Time 3 to find out.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:21 pm UTC
by plytho
Oh you're maintaining the traitor claim. I thought you were claiming to be unaligned with mafia. I consider a traitor mafia-aligned.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:55 pm UTC
by plytho
wam wrote:
Deadlines will be given vaguely

Very vaguely apparently :) Can you give an indication for D1 deadline?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:12 pm UTC
by moody7277
So I was figuring that Sabrar was being flippant with the claim of exactly the same role he just had and complained about. Given the nature of the game, I've come to think that it's likely true. Him and BoomFrog claiming anti-town would normally be something I'd bandwagon the hell out of, but there has to be some reason they feel comfortable letting people know.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:13 pm UTC
by mpolo
So, I agree that there can be no truly independent factions that are not anti-town. Which makes me wonder about Sabrar's claim: since he can't win with town, town has no reason to keep him alive. Since he is threatening to out the mafia, the mafia has no reason to keep him alive. Therefore, Sabrar is either a jester of some sort, or has made a grave miscalculation. Given that it is Sabrar, the former seems more likely. Since there is chaos, what I don't know is whether we should lynch him or let the mafia night-kill him in order to thwart his win.

My role suggests that there are things going on, but not much else useful.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:19 pm UTC
by wam
plytho wrote:
wam wrote:
Deadlines will be given vaguely

Very vaguely apparently :) Can you give an indication for D1 deadline?


deadline will be Monday evening uk time.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:30 pm UTC
by Sabrar
Oh no... My carefully constructed camouflage crumbled... Whatever shall I do???

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:50 pm UTC
by heuristically_alone
Have not read OP, quickly ready through all the posts. Everything seems as chaotic as expected. Was the town win condittion initially included in the OP? Because if not I'd bet Vicarin is scum. I'll be home in a couple days where I'll then have time to read more and contributr.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:52 pm UTC
by Sabrar
heuristically_alone wrote:Was the town win condittion initially included in the OP?
It was.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:54 pm UTC
by plytho
heuristically_alone wrote:Was the town win condittion initially included in the OP? Because if not I'd bet Vicarin is scum.
Why?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 1:55 pm UTC
by Vicarin
heuristically_alone wrote: Was the town win condittion initially included in the OP? Because if not I'd bet Vicarin is scum.


Despite this being somewhat irrelevant seeing as the wincon was there, I'd like to know what your logic for that step is...

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:18 pm UTC
by Vicarin
Hey, mpolo, you seem to be pretty sure there's only one mafia faction by how you keep referring to them in the singular: any reason?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:32 pm UTC
by somitomi
Okay, things I'd like to know in no particular order:
  • what is Sabrar up to? I know being cocky and confusing early D1 is NAI for him, but I want to know anyway
  • why did BF claim scum right away?
  • why are D1 town claims suspicious?
  • what's a convertible survivor?
  • what's a night-jester?
  • why is mark townie based on zero posts?
I think that's all. Oh wait:
Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:You mean you're scum but not mafia? Why is it a problem?
Read through Wheel of Time 3 to find out.

So, should we spare you from suffering and lynch you right away?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:40 pm UTC
by Sabrar
somitomi wrote:So, should we spare you from suffering and lynch you right away?
I'm dead N1 anyway so it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:36 pm UTC
by BoomFrog
Sabrar wrote:Presence of a Town-faction should have been blindingly obvious to anyone ever since the op where wam published the win-con. Luckily I think that makes bessie more likely town.

Sabrar wrote:Town already know they exist. Scum just might have some doubts about it.

Sabrar wrote:bessie attacking me because she didn't realize the joke is more likely to come from town as I wouldn't expect scum!her to make a mistake like that so early.
This is the sort of Twisted logic I love using. But walk me through it.
I agree Bessie is probably making a mistake. Even if you are scum, I don't think what she pointed out is evidence that you are scum. But why would town Bessie be more likely to make that mistake?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:44 pm UTC
by Sabrar
My most memorable experience with scum!bessie was in Secret Santa and she didn't came under any real suspicion until the very end. My impression is that scum!her would simply be more careful in what amounts to an opening post.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 3:49 pm UTC
by BoomFrog
Vicarin wrote:
bessie wrote: If BoomFrog is pulling a gambit, what are you going to do, vote for him? :roll:

Hell yeah :D

Hmm... what is your definition of gambit in this context?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:25 pm UTC
by mpolo
I'm absolutely not sure that there is only one scum faction. That's just laziness of language. With the number of people claiming to be non-town, it's pretty clear that there are multiple factions.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:29 pm UTC
by Sabrar
mpolo wrote:With the number of people claiming to be non-town, it's pretty clear that there are multiple factions.
If you're so sure that some players are honestly claiming scum, why not vote one of them?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:32 pm UTC
by Sabrar
Also currently 2 players are claiming to be anti-town and you speculate that one of them could be Jester. How does that lead to a clarity of multiple scum-factions?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:41 pm UTC
by Sabrar
I AM DECLARING AN END TO RVS. BOW TO MY WILL!!

Vote: mpolo

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:13 pm UTC
by wam
Mark has not yet read his role pm. If he doesn't post within 24 hours I will start looking for a replacement.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:15 pm UTC
by BoomFrog
@plytho and somitomi: Why haven't you confirmed that you are town or not yet? We could crack this game wide open D1 if you are brave enough to admit the truth!

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:40 pm UTC
by plytho
I'm not planning on claiming anything. You have claims from everyone else?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:57 pm UTC
by BoomFrog
No, but you two seem interested in the situation but are specifically avoiding claiming. I didn't ask you to claim. I asked why are you afraid to claim?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:10 pm UTC
by plytho
Not really, you asked why we didn't claim :)

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:28 pm UTC
by somitomi
BoomFrog wrote:@plytho and somitomi: Why haven't you confirmed that you are town or not yet? We could crack this game wide open D1 if you are brave enough to admit the truth!

Because I can't? I thought the whole point of mafia as a game is that noone can prove their alignment to the remaining 11 angry men. I don't think anyone should claim power this early in the game and a town claim on its own isn't much. Meanwhile, scum claims are pretty much wine at this point. Besides, your keen interest in claims is a bit suspect, so now I'm a little less inclined to comply with your request.
BoomFrog wrote: I asked why are you afraid to claim?

I'm not afraid, just reasonably suspicious.
plytho wrote:Not really, you asked why we didn't claim :)

+1 QFT and so on...

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:27 pm UTC
by BoomFrog
Bah! You and your entirely reasonable answers...

Between Vicarin, mpolo and Sabrar who do you think is scum?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:46 pm UTC
by Vicarin
@mpolo: yeah, not seeing multiple mafia factions being obvious if you think Sabrar is a jester...

@somitomi: only one I know the answer to is a night jester, I think LaserGuy was one in last year's Halloween game. They get a win as long as they die during a night, otherwise they lose.

@Sabrar: how are you dead N1?

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 12:54 am UTC
by moody7277
If Sabrar is a jester as mpolo posits, I don't see why scum would kill him. In that case he knows jack about them aside from traditional scumhunting, but would have no win condition motivation to do so and mostly would be a distraction for town. If his original claim is the case, he still might not know who scum are depending on the details of his role; last game Sabrar only learned Vicarin was scum when he was targeted for the NK. Bottom line is that he's definitely votable at some point.

BoomFrog wrote:We could crack this game wide open D1 if you are brave enough to admit the truth!


I very much doubt that a "high bastardy" game is going to be that easy to crack.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:26 am UTC
by Mark_Cangila
Late confirm. Didn't actually check for a while. Sorry. Also, my mind is already a pile of melted goo.

Re: Wams chaos game day 1

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:42 am UTC
by Vicarin
Hey Mark, are you town or scum?

:D

Also, what do you think of Sabrar and BoomFrog?