Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 6 - Ultimate Mammal Sash Genius

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:29 am UTC

Vicarin wrote:It was one of you, BoomFrog or Zen for checking that.

I don't understand what you are saying here. What's "it" what's "that"?
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 3: Sash Impasse

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:36 am UTC

Vicarin wrote:
BoomFrog wrote:
Vicarin wrote:Interestingly, when I get a win with the Sash in this fashion, all the other people on the winning team get a Sash win too.
:lol: :roll:


Hey, feel free to check with the mods if possible :P. Also, remember that 'it depends' answer as to whether scum win it individually or not? I'm why.

Mmm, hmm... :D

What is the flavor justification given for this communal sash win?
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:38 am UTC

Oh, oh! And why, pray tell, did you, an indy who desperately needs the sash to win, target mpolo last night when you knew that he has a reactive sash steal?
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:40 am UTC

Ok, fine. I really, really want the Sash, buuuuut I get very careless when I do have it on, and can only target randomly. Jeez. :roll:

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:53 am UTC

Vicarin wrote:Ok, fine. I really, really want the Sash, buuuuut I get very careless when I do have it on, and can only target randomly. Jeez. :roll:

Ahh, it fits perfectly! Of course.

I should be nicer since you didn't kill me... :P
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:55 am UTC

How on earth would I kill you?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:59 am UTC

BoomFrog wrote:Names:
Spoiler:
Vicarin - Jake
mpolo - Gina
Mark - Charles
bessie - Holt
somitomi - Terry
BoomFrog - Chedder
Zenii - Amy


Man, you are playing some risky games...

What do you mean?
BoomFrog wrote:
Vicarin wrote:It was one of you, BoomFrog or Zen for checking that.

I don't understand what you are saying here. What's "it" what's "that"?
Was this answered?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:03 am UTC

'That' was 'something dodgy'.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:06 am UTC

Zen you should full claim, otherwise I will advise Bessie to roleblock you. There is one resonable explanation I can think of for your behavior. It's a little late to be town-bros but I think we can get there.
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:17 am UTC

I might have the sash, there was some weird sash related stuff. Vicarin, you say you have the sash?

Also, I'm trusting Mpolo and Zen rn. They seem consistent with the mentorish thing. Since one scum has died and we have an indie claim,
@Mpolo, @Zenii: Can you to confirm the townieness of the other 100%?

I think I may have prevented kill, so I like Mpolo WAY more now.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:17 am UTC

In flavor I mean. Something about thinking about how to steal the sash.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:19 am UTC

@boom: I'm not really sure what your saying, mate. For one, bessie, Mark, and, I will all vote together so I could care less what you think.

You essentially confirmed my towniness with your loudener, so thank you for that.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:24 am UTC

@mark I can't confirm mpolo's alignment. I still think he is 3rd party.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:27 am UTC

@Mark did you get a bold result saying that you saw the sash?

@Vic I don't understand your ability. How do you get the sash from a kill?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:39 am UTC

If someone gets killed and the Sash doesn't get Heisted, then it ends up with me, as far as I can tell.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:41 am UTC

In what circumstance would the sash not get heisted?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:41 am UTC

Zenii wrote:@boom: I'm not really sure what your saying, mate.

You said you would protect Mark last night but you targeted mpolo. If Mark had been NKed then mpolo would have died too. And you said if mpolo dies you die. So you risked a triple death by lying yesterday?
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:44 am UTC

Lynch or Heist not triggering on a kill?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:45 am UTC

@boom: I see. All you had to do is reread my claim for your answer.

As mentioned, my protection is no longer considered targeting, but it still protects.

@Vic, why wouldn't the kill trigger heist though? You got the sash from laser right? Not somitomi?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:48 am UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote:. Since one scum has died and we have an indie claim,

Vic is obviously mafia partner of somi. His indy claim is far too convenient. He can share the sash win? He was randomly forced to target mpolo!? These are the explanations of someone filling in holes in a story, not a real role.
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:51 am UTC

Heist is a 'might' so if the kill is the only thing that's used on the holder, I presume there's still a failure chance, and then it goes to me if it does.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:58 am UTC

Lol, straight from "Vic and somi can't possibly be partners" to "they must be partners".

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:00 am UTC

Zenii wrote:@Mark did you get a bold result saying that you saw the sash?

No, also nice PFP.
BoomFrog wrote:
Mark_Cangila wrote:. Since one scum has died and we have an indie claim,

Vic is obviously mafia partner of somi. His indy claim is far too convenient. He can share the sash win? He was randomly forced to target mpolo!? These are the explanations of someone filling in holes in a story, not a real role.

True, True. They do seem really off.
Zenii wrote:@mark I can't confirm mpolo's alignment. I still think he is 3rd party.

Really? Am I misunderstanding your role then?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:05 am UTC

@mpolo did you see mark and Vic target you?
@vic you got it from laser right? Not somi?
Also Vic why did you have me move from somi to plytho D1 if it didn't matter from your pov?

Also strongman confirms both Mark and I as not-mafia as the role wouldn't need to be in the game if either of us were.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:07 am UTC

Yes, I got it when Laser died, wasn't going to bring it up then...

And I had you move to plytho because he wouldn't shut up about shooting me that night, do you think I wanted to get vigged?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:11 am UTC

Vicarin wrote:Lol, straight from "Vic and somi can't possibly be partners" to "they must be partners".

I didn't want you to kill me. :D

Zenii convinced me that somi would cross vote as mafia buddies, but I didn't want you to know that. :wink: Also, your desperation to pin the framer action on Zenii was evident at the end of D3. Also, you were too eager to vote mpolo after the framing.
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:23 am UTC

Or you know, we weren't buddies?

Of course I was desperate to pin something on someone, what do you expect me to do when I can force a win in LYLO?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby bessie » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:35 am UTC

So you’re saying I deserve to have the sash at the end for being the god of setup spec?
bessie wrote:If there is an indie tied to the sash it is you, and I don’t think it is harmless survivor.


Vicarin wrote:Interestingly, when I get a win with the Sash in this fashion, all the other people on the winning team get a Sash win too.
Haha really?

Vicarin wrote: I'm also rather good at finding the Sash if its owner gets killed or lynched, and I managed to pick it up after LaserGuy died.
Or because you killed him.

Vicarin wrote:Otherwise, you're all going to have a scrap over it trying to satisfy your Sash wincons...
I explained this to you yesterday. Town players are not required to personally have the sash to win with their team. It is only scummy non-town like you that have a sash win con.

Vicarin wrote:Ok, fine. I really, really want the Sash, buuuuut I get very careless when I do have it on, and can only target randomly.
Haha really?

I am going out for about two hours. Do I need to claim anything or should I wait?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:42 am UTC

I don't know how many times I have to explain this to you but

Madge wrote: Possessing the Sash at the end of the game is an additional win equivalent to the standard goal, not just a secondary win-con


it's pretty explicit. Ask around yet again if you don't believe me.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 2:47 am UTC

I am going out for about two hours. Do I need to claim anything or should I wait?
The sooner we could end this, the better. If you currently have the sash, I'm good with ending things.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:08 am UTC

Zenii wrote:
I am going out for about two hours. Do I need to claim anything or should I wait?
The sooner we could end this, the better. If you currently have the sash, I'm good with ending things.

:lol: Very subtle...
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:43 am UTC

What do you mean? I'm ready to end the game if a town member has the sash.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:45 am UTC

Boom, did you target Vic btw?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:03 am UTC

At this point only Vic can be mafia, and it's simply not possible for him to win.

mafiaBessie had the option of blocking Zen and killing Mark for a triple kill, leaving bessie & indy vs 2x town.
If she wasn't sure if indy would side with her, she also had the option of blocking Mark and killing mpolo for a double kill. She could possibly get by with the argument that Mark was mafia and did the kill.

mafiaMark could do the reverse. Double kill and claim he was roleblocked.

mafiaZen had no reason to speak of the disguiser idea. He could have just let the lynch be between mpolo and Mark. Furthermore, there was no reason to have Mark target mpolo. Boom's loudener confirms that mafiaZen wasn't trying to misdirect Mark to mpolo so that he would have free range to kill someone else.

mafiaBoom: He perhaps could have gambled on Mark not protecting mpolo. This seems unlikely to me though as he could have targeted bessie, lynched Vic, then sided with indypolo. If he wasn't sure indypolo would side with him though, this may have been his best shot to take out the impenetrable tri-force. If this were the case, however, it doesn't make sense for him to have bussed his strongman. He wouldn't have had any problem lynching Vic yesterDay. It's possible that somi's ability was already used up, but still for the purpose of numbers, bussing would have been a bad play.

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mafiaMpolo see here. Also he had the option of killing Vic, Boom, or bessie.

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mafiaVic: He could have killed bessie or Boom, or gambled on Mark not protecting mpolo, which seems to be the case. It doesn't make sense for indyVic to have targeted mpolo since he would lose the sash. I disbelieve the claim that it was a random because that's something he could have simply brought up in his initial claim.

So yeah if either bessie or Mark have the sash, I'm good with ending the game here. If not, then we should lynch mpolo first and only end the game if the sash is in one of our three hands toMorrow (i.e not Boom's :P ).

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby BoomFrog » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:20 am UTC

Zenii wrote:So yeah if either bessie or Mark have the sash, I'm good with ending the game here. If not, then we should lynch mpolo first and only end the game if the sash is in one of our three hands toMorrow (i.e not Boom's :P ).

And why, prey tell, would you care whether the sash is in my vs Bessie or Mark's hands at the end of the game? :P

Also, mpolo could be an arsonist so we should lynch him first.
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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Vicarin » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:27 am UTC

Also, do we have evidence that bessie is actually a roleblocker atm?

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:28 am UTC

Whoops triple kill would lead to three way not MITT.

Boom, I really have no idea what you're going on about. I don't want to be endgamed by an indy with the sash. I think you and mpolo are possible indies; therefore, I want the sash in Not your hands when the game ends.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:39 am UTC

Vicarin wrote:Also, do we have evidence that bessie is actually a roleblocker atm?
If the game doesn't end, I'll reconsider it.

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby bessie » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:46 am UTC

Yes I roleblocked Vicarin. I can confirm he had the sash last night, I saw it, so the roleblock was likely ineffective, as it is the same power jimbob used on me when I was the sash holder, and it was ineffective. So it is unlikely I blocked the kill.

Vicarin wrote:I don't know how many times I have to explain this to you but

Madge wrote: Possessing the Sash at the end of the game is an additional win equivalent to the standard goal, not just a secondary win-con


it's pretty explicit. Ask around yet again if you don't believe me.
There is no motivation I can see for me, a townie, to explicitly try for the sash. And not explicitly trying for the sash does not appear to violate my town win con.

If you are telling the truth about your role, it would still be in your best interest to help mafia, because if we lynch mafia and you are not in possession of the sash, you lose. So indie!you can’t be trusted. But you’re probably lying anyway so meh.

Vicarin wrote:Also, do we have evidence that bessie is actually a roleblocker atm?
No, we don’t. Why don’t you try to kill me tonight without the sash to protect you, and see what happens?

I think Vicarin is mafia, I want to reread D1 for wam/somitomi but I didn’t have a chance tonight (I had an unexpected out of state visitor when I got home tonight and I would have told him to get out I’m busy but I couldn't, family :P ).

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Re: Brooklyn 99 Mafia: Halloween Heist - Day 4 - Asashination Attempt

Postby Zenii » Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:49 am UTC

I saw it
boo

Vote: mpolo

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