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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:44 am UTC

freezeblade wrote:I also would have liked if the "must hammer to lynch" mechanic was noted more strongly in the rules, as the NL wasn't ideal

Sorry. That one can be chalked up to inexperience. I'll know better for next time.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby bessie » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:57 am UTC

I have no results I feel like sharing.

Mark_Cangila wrote:I didn't get a post in on time into the thread yesterday.
You didn’t manage a post in the final 26 hours, despite being the likely lynch candidate? I saw you lurking on Saturday, town!you should have been spilling your guts, knowing you were very unlikely to see D2.

Sabrar wrote:Re-reading the rules this is a possible explanation but in that case it would have been really nice if this had been made much clearer from the beginning. :|
Interesting your supercomputer brain never considered this possibility.

wam wrote:Also yeah I have results but not willing to share.
You’re totally scum aren’t you? Claim your night results.

Sabrar wrote:All players vote 8.
So I assume you have no objections if wam is number 8.

I like plytho today, so far.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:49 am UTC

Yup. Those 26 hours I had school, robotics (2 days in a row), and my dad's tv broke, which I had to fix. The time you saw me I was on and off typing. After finished the tv I realized I needed to get the post I had done posted but I ran out of time.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:22 am UTC

plytho wrote:Did you ask about the phone call, or did you assume it?
I assumed. i do that occasionally. #sarcasm

bessie wrote:Interesting your supercomputer brain never considered this possibility.
Why would I? There is a general convention around here about majority lynch and there was no reason to assume otherwise.

bessie wrote:So I assume you have no objections if wam is number 8.
None whatsoever.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:20 am UTC

Vote: Mark_Cangila

We should get going. wam can be next if bessie insists.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby bessie » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:53 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:We should get going.
Not interested.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby wam » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:45 am UTC

bessie wrote:
Sabrar wrote:We should get going.
Not interested.


Why?

Also sabrar given this backfired last time why should we follow it?

@Bessie nope for once I'm not scum.

@Bessie why should I claim and no one else yourself included wants to claim.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:57 am UTC

wam wrote:Also sabrar given this backfired last time why should we follow it?
The plan itself worked as intended, you just played too well.
This time we don't even require the last 2 players to be both town so unless we screw up massively it should be fine.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:14 am UTC

Sabrar wrote:
bessie wrote:So I assume you have no objections if wam is number 8.
None whatsoever.
Sabrar wrote:Vote: Mark_Cangila
Why did't you vote wam?
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plytho wrote:Did you ask about the phone call, or did you assume it?
I assumed. i do that occasionally. #sarcasm
And you're doing it still with your 'break the game' plan. From Mark's survival it's clear that making assumptions about this game is risky.
Sabrar wrote:If anyone from 1 to 4 does not cooperate we have a remaining vote left.
What if we don't have that vote?

wam wrote:@Bessie why should I claim and no one else yourself included wants to claim.
That's pretty obvious, isn't it?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:46 am UTC

plytho wrote:Why did't you vote wam?
Because I still think Mark is scummier. Why should I have to follow bessie's lead?

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:51 am UTC

That means you have at least some objection to wam being 8 :wink:
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:16 am UTC

If there was consensus about my plan then it wouldn't matter if we went wam first. However there isn't. Don't confuse the two situations.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby somitomi » Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:30 am UTC

freezeblade wrote:My money is on "got lucky" as a game with only a hammer lynch and no night kill would be...I'm not sure if I could call it mafia?

That doesn't rule out scum withholding. Seems like a good way to sow further confusion.
Mark_Cangila wrote:Also, any vote manipulation powers are likely to be gadgets, meaning scum may need to wait until night to use them.

That would be a strange way to manipulate votes, which happen during the day. Arrests are "immediate" in the sense that they happen as soon as someone reaches the target number of votes, so a night-time vote manipulating power would either have to be preemptive (i.e. effective on the following day phase) or retroactive which would mess with Sabrar's plan majorly. I think preemptive manipulation can be ruled out, because Mark wasn't arrested yesterday.
freezeblade wrote:I'm not sure if enough is known about the mechanics of the game to do something as drastic as the lights out strategy (possible hidden mechanics, or powers which will mess with results/votes) this is spy themed, so having roles/powers which work on subterfuge, secrecy, and manipulation is a large possibility by my figuring.

I agree and (to make matters worse) it seems to me arrests are not publicly announced, allowing one scum to pretend they were arrested and watch the town mass suicide.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (D1)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:06 pm UTC

bessie wrote:
plytho wrote:Bessie, I thought you voted NL to taunt Freezeblade, but the fact that you're still voting means you actually prefer no lynch. Please explain why. (after Mark if possible)
Moving my vote at the time of my previous log on wouldn’t have done anything to move the game forward. Leaving my vote on NL forces everyone to address it or ignore it.
You actually didn't answer my question here. I asked why you preferred no-lynch. Did you? Why? Why didn't you answer that earlier?

somitomi wrote:I agree and (to make matters worse) it seems to me arrests are not publicly announced, allowing one scum to pretend they were arrested and watch the town mass suicide.
That's a good point.

Do phone call posts need to mention that they're phone calls?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:22 pm UTC

Revised plan to avoid shenanigans: we arrest 4 players today, each with at least 6 votes. That leaves 4 players alive for the night, assuming only 1 NK we can still win in LYLO if necessary.

1-7 vote 8
1-6 vote 7
1-5 plus 8 vote 6
1-4 plus 6 and 7 vote 5

Lynch is Town's most powerful weapon, it would be foolish not to utilize it to its fullest.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (D1)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:39 pm UTC

plytho wrote:Do phone call posts need to mention that they're phone calls?


Their one phone call post is not restricted for content beyond the normal game rules. All sections of #2 still apply

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:50 pm UTC

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:46 pm UTC

Ugh, I can't keep up with the blistering pace of this game.

The answer to my question means we can't actually detect who's been arrested.

Right now wam and Mark are looking scummiest. I'm fine with lynching both.

I'd like to hear more from Freezeblade and moody.

Sabrar wrote:Revised plan to avoid shenanigans: we arrest 4 players today, each with at least 6 votes. That leaves 4 players alive for the night, assuming only 1 NK we can still win in LYLO if necessary.
That's a very different plan. It feels like you're just blindly trying to use this opportunity to lynch people, but you're not actually scumhunting.

@Wam: what are your current thoughts on Freezeblade and mark?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:27 pm UTC

plytho wrote:That's a very different plan.
It's not. The aim is the same but this is the more cautious version.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby moody7277 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:05 pm UTC

The only time I've been in a lights-out game was Proscription. tl;dr, we defacto NLed day 1, got all three scum D2, and broke the game D3. Which means that I have zero recent relevant experience with the format.

bessie seems to be falling into her standard response to Sabrar decoding the game, which is to be completely exasperated.

plytho is showing a good level of scepticism

somi seems to be ignoring the issue entirely, which I find a bit odd
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby somitomi » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:13 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
plytho wrote:That's a very different plan.
It's not. The aim is the same but this is the more cautious version.

Possibly rushing into LYLO is arguably a strange use of the word "cautious", but plytho's other point stands regardless of your opinion on that matter.

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moody7277 wrote:somi seems to be ignoring the issue entirely, which I find a bit odd

Did you miss the part where I pointed out a pretty significant flaw in the plan?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby bessie » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:33 am UTC

wam wrote:
bessie wrote:
Sabrar wrote:We should get going.
Not interested.


Why?
Flawed.

wam wrote:@Bessie why should I claim and no one else yourself included wants to claim.
Because I know what you did.

https://youtu.be/DaAnrouJiOY?t=15

plytho wrote:That means you have at least some objection to wam being 8 :wink:
+1, QFT, dude you read my mind.

plytho wrote:
bessie wrote:
plytho wrote:Bessie, I thought you voted NL to taunt Freezeblade, but the fact that you're still voting means you actually prefer no lynch. Please explain why. (after Mark if possible)
Moving my vote at the time of my previous log on wouldn’t have done anything to move the game forward. Leaving my vote on NL forces everyone to address it or ignore it.
You actually didn't answer my question here. I asked why you preferred no-lynch. Did you? Why? Why didn't you answer that earlier?
I didn’t prefer no lynch. I preferred wam lynch. No one else was interested in lynching wam except somitomi, and if I voted for wam, Mark could have tied the vote. You had already expressed your intent to vote for Mark but you didn’t want to end day early, so the majority preferred Mark.

plytho wrote:It feels like you're just blindly trying to use this opportunity to lynch people, but you're not actually scumhunting.
+1, QFT, dude I was wondering if anyone else noticed.

I find it very interesting that Sabrar didn’t see the flaw in his original plan. Or maybe he did. If we lynch everyone, but there is an MI6 threat with a one-shot lynch immunity, Sabrar’s original plan will be an automatic loss for town.

moody7277 wrote:bessie seems to be falling into her standard response to Sabrar decoding the game, which is to be completely exasperated.
Well it is on the bessie standard checklist.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:24 am UTC

Vote: wam

I find his lack of content, among other things, disturbing.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:36 am UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote:I didn't get a post in on time into the thread yesterday. I'm not loving Sabrar's attack on FreezeBlade yesterday. Having read over FB's posts I see nothing wrong with them up to that point.
Do you like freezeblade's D2 contribution so far?

plytho wrote:The answer to my question means we can't actually detect who's been arrested.
I think we can reasonably assume that 6 votes is enough if 4 is the original target.

somitomi wrote:Possibly rushing into LYLO is arguably a strange use of the word "cautious",
You don't seem to grasp the mechanic. With standard 1 lynch/day Town has less control of the situation, especially since we basically have no night-results to work with. Multiple lynches is not "rushing into LYLO" if we know what we're doing.

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plytho wrote:That means you have at least some objection to wam being 8 :wink:
+1, QFT, dude you read my mind.
Offended, truly offended. I'm well aware of your stubornness and it still pains me to see that you are unable to change your opinion once you've made up your mind. I explained to plytho already why the conclusion is false but you don't simply care, do you?

bessie wrote:
plytho wrote:It feels like you're just blindly trying to use this opportunity to lynch people, but you're not actually scumhunting.
+1, QFT, dude I was wondering if anyone else noticed.
We had the same argument in X-Men. Let's not start it again, alright? You know full well that I prefer plans to scumhunting.

bessie wrote:I find it very interesting that Sabrar didn’t see the flaw in his original plan.
There was no flaw and I'll gladly explain why after the game.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby wam » Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:08 am UTC

Sorry RL manic.

I agree with sabrars plan and tbh I should probably go first just as Bessie is locked on and it will allow the rest of you to focus on getting scum.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby moody7277 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:35 pm UTC

Vote: wam

We need some information. Sabrar's plan at least gives us a framework to use, and any actual resistance (as opposed to voiced rebuttals) is likely to be enemy action.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Mark_Cangila » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:34 pm UTC

I agree with Moody and Wam.

Vote: Wam

Also, I'm not a fan of FB's contributions. I would like to hear his view on the new plan. I think Sabrar's new plan is worse than the old one. Let's go all or nothing I'm thinking. Half-Measures are dangerous.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:52 pm UTC

Wam is probably arrested now but let's get votes to 6 to be sure before we move on. (@bessie,@freezeblade,@somitomi)
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:53 pm UTC

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  • Wam <--(4)
    • Plytho
    • Sabrar
    • Moody7277
    • Mark_Cangila

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:05 pm UTC

Mark_Cangila wrote: I think Sabrar's new plan is worse than the old one. Let's go all or nothing I'm thinking. Half-Measures are dangerous.
Please explain why?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby somitomi » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:50 pm UTC

Sabrar wrote:
somitomi wrote:Possibly rushing into LYLO is arguably a strange use of the word "cautious",
You don't seem to grasp the mechanic. With standard 1 lynch/day Town has less control of the situation, especially since we basically have no night-results to work with. Multiple lynches is not "rushing into LYLO" if we know what we're doing.

That's a pretty big "if" in a game where we can't even be 100% sure the target was lynched. The crux of my reservations is that it relies on assumptions in a game were most of the "normal" assumptions have been thrown out the window.
Mark_Cangila wrote:Also, I'm not a fan of FB's contributions. I would like to hear his view on the new plan. I think Sabrar's new plan is worse than the old one. Let's go all or nothing I'm thinking. Half-Measures are dangerous.

What do you think of the danger I outlined here?
plytho wrote:Wam is probably arrested now but let's get votes to 6 to be sure before we move on. (@bessie,@freezeblade,@somitomi)

I have no problem with that, since I've been gunning for him since yesterday.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:00 pm UTC

Can we agree that Mark should be next? I find it pretty interesting that noone voted him for over a day but wam got lynched in under 6 hours. Wonder which one of them might have a buddy...

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:13 pm UTC

Votals:

  • Wam <--(5)
    • Plytho
    • Sabrar
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    • Mark_Cangila
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby moody7277 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:34 pm UTC

Will we be notified when someone has the requisite votes to be arrested?

Will we be notified when we may vote for someone else to be arrested so should we choose?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby freezeblade » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:03 pm UTC

bessie wrote:
wam wrote:@Bessie why should I claim and no one else yourself included wants to claim.
Because I know what you did

Well, what did they do? You can't just dangle that out there, give up the gossip!

New plan? I'm really struggling to get my head around to to progress the game, as nobody seems to want to treat the lynch in the same manner that we would on a more vanilla game. All-for-nothing I'm strongly against, as I have a feeling this is a power heavy game (in the form of gadgets), and there's no telling what sort of powers or mechanics can fowl up a plan which depends on the setup being a certain way.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby plytho » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:20 pm UTC

freezeblade wrote:New plan?
All for nothing isn't happening. Pretty sure only Mark wants that. Maybe Sabrar still a little.

Can you please vote wam. Right now he has 5 votes and is very likely arrested, but a sixth would make us even more certain and allow us to continue with the game without worrying about wam's status.

After that we can figure out who else we want to arrest, if anyone.
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby SuicideJunkie » Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:58 pm UTC

moody7277 wrote:Will we be notified when someone has the requisite votes to be arrested?

Will we be notified when we may vote for someone else to be arrested so should we choose?

2.b) When a victim has enough votes, the mod will privately notify the appropriate player(s) that they have been arrested by the police.

If you are asking about timing; I will process events in the order of the timestamps to determine results.

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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby moody7277 » Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:28 pm UTC

SuicideJunkie wrote:
moody7277 wrote:Will we be notified when someone has the requisite votes to be arrested?

Will we be notified when we may vote for someone else to be arrested so should we choose?

2.b) When a victim has enough votes, the mod will privately notify the appropriate player(s) that they have been arrested by the police.

If you are asking about timing; I will process events in the order of the timestamps to determine results.


What I'm asking is, if we don't know when a player is arrested, how will we know that we can move on to vote for another player to be arrested as you indicated we could?
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby freezeblade » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:22 pm UTC

In the interest in "at least we'll see how this works" and to avoid a repeat of yesterday

vote: wam

I know that this is a spy game, so info is more along the lines of rumor and intrigue but I'm still wrapping my head around proceeding.

Just to get discussion going though, why did so many people visit besse's safe house last night? (yes, I know.)
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Re: The Mafia with the Golden Gun (Day 002)

Postby Sabrar » Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:28 pm UTC

Finally.

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